Tony Heller just did a piece on YT, where he told us of how petrol stations were shut down in his hometown to 'protect the climate'. The town also built a cycleway to the next town. You know, pouring asphalt through the wilderness countryside. What people now have to do, is make a sacrifice and drive to the next town to buy petrol - which increases the mileage in their cars (And of course they do their shopping there too - so local businesses whither, but I digress).
Of course the people are encouraged to 'go electric', but this just transfers their use of fossil fuels to a power station. Meanwhile, the cycleway is basically deserted.
He compares the sacrifices made for the climate to ritual sacrifices to improve the climate, when Europeans burnt witches because of a bad harvest, for example.
You know, when it first came out, I was in a blue city Portland. I thought about purchasing one. Then reality hit and I said, "Where's the charging stations on the freeway. I didn't see any. How am I going to drive for vacation to California or anywhere else?" They were all saying, "Oh, we will put ev charging stations on I-5, you will see them."
Next question, how about going to the coast, how about going to Bend or Idaho? "Oh, we didn't think about that."
I decided they are idiots and stop listening. My friend bought a hybrid and that was nice and I asked about that and was told there's a problem with replacing battery. Ok dokey.
I had two EVs one after the other around 15 years ago, both converted gas cars. They had a lot of lead acid batteries and I charged them at home. They were only suitable for local use, having a range of around 25 miles in the warm weather when the batteries were in good condition.
I also had a gas car for when I needed to go somewhere!
I test drove a ford lightning just for fun. Yep! Super fast and quiet. Not good for a work truck.
The ONLY reason I see to buy one is that you have lots of extra money and want a super fast, fun second or third car.
Thats if they even survive tge accident. They usually end up burnt and they dont stop burning till theres nothing left.
A local tow company had to drag in a dumpster and tossed the car in it then had the fire dept fill it with water after the 4th fire of the day. Some tow companies have buikt concrete stalls to put them in.if they catch fire,they just let them burn themselves out.
You got it. Create a problem, and create a solution while making shit tons of money and then the solution actually create another problem. See the dollar train?
It’s not like they just throw away the car, it will be re-used.
This happens mostly in countries that are heavy subsidising EVs, like Norway and certain US states.
an example: a car that costs $50k to build, is sold for $40k after government grants.
The car is in an accident, and because spare parts are not subsidised, a new hood and front fender will run you around 20% of the cost of the car after grants, making it cheaper for the insurance company giving you a new car for $40k and keep the car (or resell it) for parts. The insurance company is getting $50k ish worth of parts for $40k(of course depending on damage and age), instead of spending $10k fixing the car.
All undamaged parts can still be used, and the battery pack can, if not completely fubar, either be refurbished and put into another car, or a property.
This is not an EV problem, it’s a subsidising problem.
I love my EVs, they’re cheap to run and extremely fast compared to cars in the same price range. I drove it from Sweden to Croatia (2000mi+), and I’ve never felt so relaxed driving long distances. Yes, it will take you about 5 hours longer driving 1000 miles, but both the family and the dog were much more well rested than when we drive the ICE.
I just don’t understand all the EV hate on this site? I understand that people wants to drive 500 miles on a tank, but why?
Either the Deep State wins, and enforces restrictions to travel, meaning you’re allowed to drive 0 miles in your ICE, and I can drive 250 miles on a full charge.
Or the DS loses, and you can drive 500+ miles in your ICE, and I can drive 250 miles in my car.
I don’t see the problem, or why people here are hating on EVs, especially “fake news” like this.
Because EVs can be shut down with a button, say if your social credit score is too low. They don't actually "save the environment" either, so it's a lose lose.
Unless you're driving a vintage car from the 80's, your ICE car can be shut down too. And unless you have your own oil well AND petroleum refinery, your government can still cut off your access to gasoline.
The problem isn't the technology, it's governments that, instead of protecting their citizens, are actively working to undermine our freedoms, and people are just letting it happen because they're sheep.
So you’ll think they’ll still allow you to drive your ICE?
That this button you talk about isn’t already in place in modern ICE cars?
That they can’t restrict your movement if your credit score is too low, and you’re driving an ICE?
We have 2 possible outcomes of the war between the great awakening and the great reset; either we win or they do.
If we lose, your ICE is fucked, and my EV is heavily controlled. I can drive 250 miles on a full battery, you’ll never be able to fill your car after a few months.
If we win, neither is controlled, and nobody is restricted in movement.
I’m 100% certain that we win and electricity is objectively cheaper and more efficient than gas, and subjectively more fun.
Greener? Probably not, but I’m not driving an EV because I believe the climate change agenda.
I'll give up my cars about the same time I give up my guns. And yes, my cars are all pre-1996 they have very simple electronics and can't be shut off by anyone. Nothing will every replace the rumble of a V8 and I'll run mine on straight ethanol made from my own corn with a little 2 stroke oil if I have to. The ICE engine is imho one of mankind's greatest inventions, and the one which most enables our freedom of movement. I would rather die with my Kar98 in my hands than drive an electric.
You don’t need charging stations everywhere.
95% of my (and average travels) are to or from the home, and a way to charge the average <10kWh a day is needed.
I refuse to believe that just because we’re transforming to EVs that we’ll suddenly start driving much more.
The only difficulty I see as an EV owner for many years, is the demand for fast charging during big holidays, like your Thanksgiving. Currently travelling through Europe is drama (and queue) free, except maybe 10 hours for 10 days a year. That demand needs to be met som way or another.
That can be solved by powering the fast chargers with some sort of liquified gas, like methane, hydrogen or nitrogen.
But, of course, if you’re going to transfer a bigger part of ICE to EVs, you’ll need more power chargers, but around 50 every 100 miles would do as a start.
And we’re getting there.
How do you think the development of gas station was the first years of transferring from horse to cars?
Try to step out of your biased box. I see the transfer from gas to electricity as a normal way of development, and has nothing to do with the DS/NWO.
Electricity is cheaper, more efficient and way more fun.
Greener? I highly doubt it, but that’s not why I’ve moved over to EVs some years ago.
I was never able to drive 500 miles in 7 hours in my latest ICE either (Volvo V90 T5), I had to stop for toilet breaks.
I do a ~500mi trip every few months from my home in southern Sweden to my grandmother in middle Norway.
That trip takes about the same time now (+/- 20 minutes) in my Hyundai Ioniq 5 compared to my V90.
I did 3 stops in my Volvo, first one for food/toilet, second shopping (Swedish sweets for granny on the border shop)/toilet and a third stop for toilet and snacks. Usually this trip would take around 8 hours highway driving.
The only stop that takes longer now is the last one, depending how much driving I plan to do around my granny’s hometown. If it’s 0, the stop takes the same time.
To fill the Ioniq 5 with 200 highway miles takes less than 20 minutes during summer.
Efficiency wise, the energy in an ICE car is mostly transferred into kinetic energy. In addition to the forward momentum created, the energy in petroleum product is also converted to sound and heat energy(good in winter/bad in summer), these are unwanted energy conversion that I don’t have in my EV.
And that’s what I meant with more efficient.
There are thousands of reports out there about the total life cycle of ICE vs EVs, and depending on who paid for the report, the winner is either one.
One thing to bear in mind is that the average US car has a lifespan of 11 years. That’s not enough time to kill the batteries in a modern EV, so battery replacements are off the table.
Another tidbit of information is that it takes about 1kWh to refine 1 litre of gasoline. My car uses about 2,1kWh/10km doing 110km/h.
For me an EV is much cheaper than an ICE because of the energy prices here in the EU. I understand that the calculations in the US are different with really cheap gas compared to us, and higher electrical prices.
I also recognise the “green problem” with EVs, and I find it a bit egoistic to transfer the pollution (the car is usually driven in a first world country) to the mining countries (usually third world).
But as I’ve said multiple times on this forum, I don’t drive an EV because it’s green, I drive it because it’s great fun and a lot cheaper.
It also saves me a lot of time, taking my usually long trip above, and the worst case scenario of 20 minute longer, I will still save time on an EV over the year total.
I drove the V90 to fill it up every ~10 days, about 40 times a year á 5 minutes = 200 minutes of my life filling the car every year.
To refill my EV at home takes less than 5 seconds plugging and unplugging the cord.
And usually recharging on the road is already within the timeframe of my normal stops, maybe 20 minutes extra on. 500mi trip. I can do 10 trips like that every year to equal the time used at a petroleum station.
The discussion is about practical use, not some theoretical range.
In opposition to you, I’ve actually tried both means of transportation for a long period of time, while you base your “knowledge” on myths, rumours and propaganda. Who’s the brainwashed?
Why are you so hateful? We’re in this together, attacking your allies is not the Q way.
I’m not your enemy, neither is my EV. When everything falls to rest, and the DS/NWO is turned to dust, both means of transportation will have their use.
I will still be happy. Will you still be hateful? Sharpen up, and find Jesus in your heart, we’re not enemies.
The problem isn't electric vehicles. The problem is the batteries. The technology isn't there to have a low environmental impact, high energy density, lightweight, non-volatile, long lifespan, recyclability and low cost chemical energy storage. Other than that, the current EV technology is great 😬. The fact that the current electrical distribution grids are using old power generation technology/fuels AND the infrastructure is neglected and over burdened in high population centers is a recipe for disaster. The future will be electricity. The question is when will it be more ideal to actually implement. In reality, electricity generation is one of the few things that are simple and easy enough to do to get everyone able to generate their own. This independence is what I am looking for. I want control of my own energy production without reliance, regulation and control of any outside entity. My home, my transportation, my own health and my own food production is where I want my independence. I am not talking about being a hermit and cutting off the rest of society (although at this point, it is an attractive proposition), but getting every responsible person disconnected from authoritarian controls. As for transportation, even growing my own biodiesel is not a zero sum investment, although it is at least an alternative to reliance on big petro oil refineries, which I am a fan of. Eventually, there will be a more ideal chemical or electrical storage medium that will make EV's practical, efficient and safe, but in the meantime the technology is just not available now.
Have you look into power generation by windows? They spray a coat on the windows and can generate electricity. I would love to generate my own electricity and get off the grids. I was following that for a while.
I haven't heard of that. I recently had solar panels installed. The power generation is great. I just wished that energy storage was more advanced and more justifiable. The problems outnumber the advantages of energy storage right now because of the massive amounts of resources required to build them and the limited life expectancy of battery life span.
Now. I know of very good battery life but unfortunately, it's not for us to use. I have heard of cellular power battery. It's a long lasting power.
Have you seen something called "Blue Truth." People who passed away for a year could still emit blue tooth Mac address signal. It signified long storage battery. Pacemaker lasts 10 years. How did that accomplished?
Lithium ion battery. The energy storage density is excellent compared to weight and size. Lithium ion can maintain a charge for exceptional high amounts of time because it has very low leakage current. The biggest limitation is that the battery only lasts about 10 years, give or take because of lithium migration. It lasts that long from time of manufacture, not in the amount of usage. If lithium ion battery tech could last decades longer, it would be a far more viable storage media. Low power bluetooth transceivers require very little current. A pacemaker is not designed for extremely long range so it consumes a very small amount of electrical energy to generate such a small amount of RF
Lithium is often dubbed as “white gold” for electric vehicles. But the US is still invading oil producing countries (Syria) and stealing their oil. In the 1990s, the U.S. was the largest producer of lithium, in stark contrast to the present. Soon they will be invading countries (Australia, Chile, and Brazil) for their lithium mines.
So environmentally friendly.
Tony Heller just did a piece on YT, where he told us of how petrol stations were shut down in his hometown to 'protect the climate'. The town also built a cycleway to the next town. You know, pouring asphalt through the wilderness countryside. What people now have to do, is make a sacrifice and drive to the next town to buy petrol - which increases the mileage in their cars (And of course they do their shopping there too - so local businesses whither, but I digress).
Of course the people are encouraged to 'go electric', but this just transfers their use of fossil fuels to a power station. Meanwhile, the cycleway is basically deserted.
He compares the sacrifices made for the climate to ritual sacrifices to improve the climate, when Europeans burnt witches because of a bad harvest, for example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9evE8Uc9tag
We are beholden to a bunch of IQ challenged, superstitious babies
You know, when it first came out, I was in a blue city Portland. I thought about purchasing one. Then reality hit and I said, "Where's the charging stations on the freeway. I didn't see any. How am I going to drive for vacation to California or anywhere else?" They were all saying, "Oh, we will put ev charging stations on I-5, you will see them."
Next question, how about going to the coast, how about going to Bend or Idaho? "Oh, we didn't think about that."
I decided they are idiots and stop listening. My friend bought a hybrid and that was nice and I asked about that and was told there's a problem with replacing battery. Ok dokey.
I had two EVs one after the other around 15 years ago, both converted gas cars. They had a lot of lead acid batteries and I charged them at home. They were only suitable for local use, having a range of around 25 miles in the warm weather when the batteries were in good condition.
I also had a gas car for when I needed to go somewhere!
Yeah. Gas cars needed. 25 miles? No thank you.
Thanks for the info though.
They were fun and easy to drive and the second one was fast. I was trying to get away from gas because of peak oil. I guess they lied to us again.
Of course they do, fren. Treat every word coming out of their mouths as a lie.
I test drove a ford lightning just for fun. Yep! Super fast and quiet. Not good for a work truck. The ONLY reason I see to buy one is that you have lots of extra money and want a super fast, fun second or third car.
If I have that kind of money, would buy pm instead. LOL. Thanks for the info.
Thats if they even survive tge accident. They usually end up burnt and they dont stop burning till theres nothing left.
A local tow company had to drag in a dumpster and tossed the car in it then had the fire dept fill it with water after the 4th fire of the day. Some tow companies have buikt concrete stalls to put them in.if they catch fire,they just let them burn themselves out.
Wow. That is quite a threat.
Wonderful! Lithium reacts violently when doused with water, good thinking eh?
https://www.fox43.com/article/money/cars/electric-vehicles-manheim-township-fire-waynes-towing-cars/521-8529b46a-5318-4dcd-a9b7-fc858a1a15ea
Lets try $19,200.00 for the NOPE! https://myvehicletalk.com/chevy-volt-battery-replacement-cost/ u/#byebye
I have someone calling us fake news because we do not like EV. Very interesting.
Unaware of this.. what happens to the battery after minor fender bender ? I doubt this is true
Not sure. I don't have one. Someone else's info. I just know they take a while to charge and don't go very far.
Save the climate, kill the ground!
You got it. Create a problem, and create a solution while making shit tons of money and then the solution actually create another problem. See the dollar train?
It’s not like they just throw away the car, it will be re-used.
This happens mostly in countries that are heavy subsidising EVs, like Norway and certain US states.
an example: a car that costs $50k to build, is sold for $40k after government grants.
The car is in an accident, and because spare parts are not subsidised, a new hood and front fender will run you around 20% of the cost of the car after grants, making it cheaper for the insurance company giving you a new car for $40k and keep the car (or resell it) for parts. The insurance company is getting $50k ish worth of parts for $40k(of course depending on damage and age), instead of spending $10k fixing the car.
All undamaged parts can still be used, and the battery pack can, if not completely fubar, either be refurbished and put into another car, or a property.
This is not an EV problem, it’s a subsidising problem.
I love my EVs, they’re cheap to run and extremely fast compared to cars in the same price range. I drove it from Sweden to Croatia (2000mi+), and I’ve never felt so relaxed driving long distances. Yes, it will take you about 5 hours longer driving 1000 miles, but both the family and the dog were much more well rested than when we drive the ICE.
I just don’t understand all the EV hate on this site? I understand that people wants to drive 500 miles on a tank, but why?
Either the Deep State wins, and enforces restrictions to travel, meaning you’re allowed to drive 0 miles in your ICE, and I can drive 250 miles on a full charge.
Or the DS loses, and you can drive 500+ miles in your ICE, and I can drive 250 miles in my car.
I don’t see the problem, or why people here are hating on EVs, especially “fake news” like this.
Because EVs can be shut down with a button, say if your social credit score is too low. They don't actually "save the environment" either, so it's a lose lose.
Unless you're driving a vintage car from the 80's, your ICE car can be shut down too. And unless you have your own oil well AND petroleum refinery, your government can still cut off your access to gasoline.
The problem isn't the technology, it's governments that, instead of protecting their citizens, are actively working to undermine our freedoms, and people are just letting it happen because they're sheep.
Oh yes. That's correct. Thanks.
So you’ll think they’ll still allow you to drive your ICE?
That this button you talk about isn’t already in place in modern ICE cars?
That they can’t restrict your movement if your credit score is too low, and you’re driving an ICE?
We have 2 possible outcomes of the war between the great awakening and the great reset; either we win or they do.
If we lose, your ICE is fucked, and my EV is heavily controlled. I can drive 250 miles on a full battery, you’ll never be able to fill your car after a few months.
If we win, neither is controlled, and nobody is restricted in movement.
I’m 100% certain that we win and electricity is objectively cheaper and more efficient than gas, and subjectively more fun.
Greener? Probably not, but I’m not driving an EV because I believe the climate change agenda.
I'll give up my cars about the same time I give up my guns. And yes, my cars are all pre-1996 they have very simple electronics and can't be shut off by anyone. Nothing will every replace the rumble of a V8 and I'll run mine on straight ethanol made from my own corn with a little 2 stroke oil if I have to. The ICE engine is imho one of mankind's greatest inventions, and the one which most enables our freedom of movement. I would rather die with my Kar98 in my hands than drive an electric.
Question for you: Charging stations? You must have charging stations everywhere? Well, we don't. You stuck, good luck.
You don’t need charging stations everywhere. 95% of my (and average travels) are to or from the home, and a way to charge the average <10kWh a day is needed.
I refuse to believe that just because we’re transforming to EVs that we’ll suddenly start driving much more.
The only difficulty I see as an EV owner for many years, is the demand for fast charging during big holidays, like your Thanksgiving. Currently travelling through Europe is drama (and queue) free, except maybe 10 hours for 10 days a year. That demand needs to be met som way or another.
That can be solved by powering the fast chargers with some sort of liquified gas, like methane, hydrogen or nitrogen.
But, of course, if you’re going to transfer a bigger part of ICE to EVs, you’ll need more power chargers, but around 50 every 100 miles would do as a start.
And we’re getting there.
How do you think the development of gas station was the first years of transferring from horse to cars?
Try to step out of your biased box. I see the transfer from gas to electricity as a normal way of development, and has nothing to do with the DS/NWO.
Electricity is cheaper, more efficient and way more fun.
Greener? I highly doubt it, but that’s not why I’ve moved over to EVs some years ago.
I understand what you are saying. Thank you, especially about transferring from horse to cars. I would like to see faster chargers because of time.
I don’t drive a Tesla.
How can the DS win if we transfer from ICE to EVs?
How can they control EVs more than they can control ICE?
Sheep fantasy? Electricity is objectively cheaper and more efficient than gas, and subjectively more fun.
Greener? Probably not, but I’m not driving an EV because I believe the climate change agenda.
I was never able to drive 500 miles in 7 hours in my latest ICE either (Volvo V90 T5), I had to stop for toilet breaks.
I do a ~500mi trip every few months from my home in southern Sweden to my grandmother in middle Norway. That trip takes about the same time now (+/- 20 minutes) in my Hyundai Ioniq 5 compared to my V90.
I did 3 stops in my Volvo, first one for food/toilet, second shopping (Swedish sweets for granny on the border shop)/toilet and a third stop for toilet and snacks. Usually this trip would take around 8 hours highway driving.
The only stop that takes longer now is the last one, depending how much driving I plan to do around my granny’s hometown. If it’s 0, the stop takes the same time.
To fill the Ioniq 5 with 200 highway miles takes less than 20 minutes during summer.
Efficiency wise, the energy in an ICE car is mostly transferred into kinetic energy. In addition to the forward momentum created, the energy in petroleum product is also converted to sound and heat energy(good in winter/bad in summer), these are unwanted energy conversion that I don’t have in my EV.
And that’s what I meant with more efficient.
There are thousands of reports out there about the total life cycle of ICE vs EVs, and depending on who paid for the report, the winner is either one.
One thing to bear in mind is that the average US car has a lifespan of 11 years. That’s not enough time to kill the batteries in a modern EV, so battery replacements are off the table.
Another tidbit of information is that it takes about 1kWh to refine 1 litre of gasoline. My car uses about 2,1kWh/10km doing 110km/h.
For me an EV is much cheaper than an ICE because of the energy prices here in the EU. I understand that the calculations in the US are different with really cheap gas compared to us, and higher electrical prices.
I also recognise the “green problem” with EVs, and I find it a bit egoistic to transfer the pollution (the car is usually driven in a first world country) to the mining countries (usually third world).
But as I’ve said multiple times on this forum, I don’t drive an EV because it’s green, I drive it because it’s great fun and a lot cheaper.
It also saves me a lot of time, taking my usually long trip above, and the worst case scenario of 20 minute longer, I will still save time on an EV over the year total.
I drove the V90 to fill it up every ~10 days, about 40 times a year á 5 minutes = 200 minutes of my life filling the car every year.
To refill my EV at home takes less than 5 seconds plugging and unplugging the cord.
And usually recharging on the road is already within the timeframe of my normal stops, maybe 20 minutes extra on. 500mi trip. I can do 10 trips like that every year to equal the time used at a petroleum station.
The discussion is about practical use, not some theoretical range. In opposition to you, I’ve actually tried both means of transportation for a long period of time, while you base your “knowledge” on myths, rumours and propaganda. Who’s the brainwashed?
Why are you so hateful? We’re in this together, attacking your allies is not the Q way.
I’m not your enemy, neither is my EV. When everything falls to rest, and the DS/NWO is turned to dust, both means of transportation will have their use.
I will still be happy. Will you still be hateful? Sharpen up, and find Jesus in your heart, we’re not enemies.
How very green.
Definitely green.
The problem isn't electric vehicles. The problem is the batteries. The technology isn't there to have a low environmental impact, high energy density, lightweight, non-volatile, long lifespan, recyclability and low cost chemical energy storage. Other than that, the current EV technology is great 😬. The fact that the current electrical distribution grids are using old power generation technology/fuels AND the infrastructure is neglected and over burdened in high population centers is a recipe for disaster. The future will be electricity. The question is when will it be more ideal to actually implement. In reality, electricity generation is one of the few things that are simple and easy enough to do to get everyone able to generate their own. This independence is what I am looking for. I want control of my own energy production without reliance, regulation and control of any outside entity. My home, my transportation, my own health and my own food production is where I want my independence. I am not talking about being a hermit and cutting off the rest of society (although at this point, it is an attractive proposition), but getting every responsible person disconnected from authoritarian controls. As for transportation, even growing my own biodiesel is not a zero sum investment, although it is at least an alternative to reliance on big petro oil refineries, which I am a fan of. Eventually, there will be a more ideal chemical or electrical storage medium that will make EV's practical, efficient and safe, but in the meantime the technology is just not available now.
Have you look into power generation by windows? They spray a coat on the windows and can generate electricity. I would love to generate my own electricity and get off the grids. I was following that for a while.
I haven't heard of that. I recently had solar panels installed. The power generation is great. I just wished that energy storage was more advanced and more justifiable. The problems outnumber the advantages of energy storage right now because of the massive amounts of resources required to build them and the limited life expectancy of battery life span.
Now. I know of very good battery life but unfortunately, it's not for us to use. I have heard of cellular power battery. It's a long lasting power.
Have you seen something called "Blue Truth." People who passed away for a year could still emit blue tooth Mac address signal. It signified long storage battery. Pacemaker lasts 10 years. How did that accomplished?
Lithium ion battery. The energy storage density is excellent compared to weight and size. Lithium ion can maintain a charge for exceptional high amounts of time because it has very low leakage current. The biggest limitation is that the battery only lasts about 10 years, give or take because of lithium migration. It lasts that long from time of manufacture, not in the amount of usage. If lithium ion battery tech could last decades longer, it would be a far more viable storage media. Low power bluetooth transceivers require very little current. A pacemaker is not designed for extremely long range so it consumes a very small amount of electrical energy to generate such a small amount of RF
I guess that would explain "Blue Truth" if it is Lithium. Thanks.
Lithium is often dubbed as “white gold” for electric vehicles. But the US is still invading oil producing countries (Syria) and stealing their oil. In the 1990s, the U.S. was the largest producer of lithium, in stark contrast to the present. Soon they will be invading countries (Australia, Chile, and Brazil) for their lithium mines.
Yep, Lithium mining is another big huge problem.