What we are experiencing right now is disclosure. It is breaking the info up into smaller bites that the public can wrap their heads around. This is complicated shit and even those who have fully immersed themselves have trouble explaining what has been going on in a complete and understandable manner. Almost everything coming out I have been aware of for years. None of it is is new. But the public treats it like it is because they havent been able to grasp the reality when taken in its entirety. Now though I can see the public finally coming to the same conclusions we here have held for a long time. This truly was a brilliant plan and those that have sacrificed their lives and livelihoods are heroes in this war. If Trump hadnt won and intervened though, if their 16 year plan had gone on uninterrupted, the butchers bill would have been astronomically higher.
You're right about Trump. He does often highlight the good things he does (for red-pilling, among other things) but he's also a very humble, decent person and he does credit others -- and ultimately, God -- for the plan.
Side comment: I don't believe the human mind can or ever will fully understand the nature of God, anymore than a paramecium can understand Shakespeare. Certainly, the God-as-old-man-in-the-sky never made sense to me (even as a young child, that seemed more like Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny than anything real. I was a pretty cynical kid) but in recent years, I've come to believe God is the Consciousness that all matter is built from (many big-name physicists believe the same: that matter comes from a universal consciousness -- not self awareness, but an ineffable conscousness -- rather than the other way around; Kastrup is a good introduction to the idea and McGilchrist discusses it, with quotes and references, in detail in his The Matter With Things: Our Brains, Our Delusions and the Unmaking of the World).
So yes, that sense of Right and Wrong all healthy humans have -- other animals too; dogs for instance get angry at unfairness to themselves or even to others -- is God's Plan, working through our true nature, as created -- not mechanistically, of course, but over time and via evolution within the created prior fitness of the universe for carbon-based life -- by God, the Universe, or however you conceive it.
Interesting side comment. I certainly think you are on the right track. However, I'd like to suggest a thought experiment.
Imagine people 2000 years ago, and their concepts of how the material world operates. Planets? Atoms? Quantum energy? Giant metal ships that weigh many, many tons flying through the air?
The material, intellectual development of our civilizations has taken gradual time, step by step, by step, building on each previous building block. How about with the spiritual? History shows that spiritual understanding moves forward primarily in leaps. One understanding prevails for many, many centuries, then someone comes with a completely new level of insight, and the whole paradigm moves up a level.
Compare us now re: the material world compared with the understanding that prevailed say, 500 years ago. The level of details and intricacy we understand is completely incomparable. Like comparing a daisy to a giant oak.
The material world operates and functions on highly complex yet very knowable, mathematical and physical laws and principles. Why should we think that the spiritual dimension does not function in the same way? Both are created by the same creator.
How can we know the material world? because we are part of it, and we contain all the elements within it. We are microcosms.
So there are two points here. One, that we can indeed understand the nature of God, because God created us, and we are part of both the material and spiritual world. It's just that, like Jesus message and understanding of God was light-years ahead of the understanding that Moses brought, we're still due for a final installment. We're not there yet, but everything in the scripture indicates that's where we are headed.
Two, we need to understand the limits of intellect. The intellect thinks that it can 'know' everything, but there are many things that transcend intellect. Love transcends, for example. So, a man studying basketball via books, reading every book he can find about basketball, for 5, 10, 20 years, will still never "know" what basketball is. True 'knowing' means experiencing, so that the intellect is lifted, but the intellect is still less than the actual experience.
The Israelites experienced God on one level. As their master, lord, with themselves as servants. But Christians experience God on a completely different level (if we allow ourselves); experiencing God as a father, a close friend, where we are beloved not as servants, but as precious children.
What if the final step is something above all that? Jesus described his experience, of being in the father and the father being in him. The father being the inner, Jesus himself being the outer. Both one and the same. Jesus experience of God was completely a full, but no matter how he describes that experience, we can only ever understand it like the man studying basketball in his room. We only get a very small taste, now and then, of God. But what if we were fully immersed in the experience of God, 24 hours a day, fully resonating with God? Again, scripture indicates that this is where the entire history of 'salvation' is headed.
Just as we have body spirit and flesh, both given from out Creator, likewise, we can have both spiritual knowledge - or internal knowledge - and flesh-based knowledge - external or material knowledge.
At the fall of the human ancestors, not only the ancestors became separated from God, but their entire lineage - us - fell into ignorance of God, both internal ignorance (of the spiritual reality) and external ignorance (of the material reality).
It makes sense that in the history of God restoring humanity back to him, fully, that he created two streams of learning by which humanity could overcome our ignorance. We might consider that religion is the instrument for overcoming internal ignorance, and science is the instrument for overcoming external ignorance. (I mean religion in the sense of the spiritual civilizations and methodology, not in the sense of institutions).
I believe that at some point, we are destined to upgrade our spiritual understanding, so that internal ignorance is replaced by internal knowledge, and external ignorance is replaced by external knowledge, and then the two will unite and reinforce each other.
Science and Religion are two sides of the same coin, reflecting the dual aspects of humanity - flesh and spirit. At some point, we will be able to understand God's works and God's nature to the level that we understand the external universe.
However, the point needs to be re-emphasized, that this will only come via the experience of God, not via intellectual effort. Once you have an experience, then you can begin to do a breakdown, analyse and develop theories that account for the experience. That's how science works. This is also how spiritual understanding works. Someone has a profound, new experience of God, and then articulates that in terms on a level of the intellectual development of the day.
THat last point is key. Today, we are on an intellectual level that is like that oak tree, compared to the people, including disciples, of Jesus time. So how on earth could he explain things in detail, when they could not grasp even the basics.? he couldn't. but after 2000 years of training, of edging closer and upgrading out intellects, when finally God is ready to give us the final upgrade, it will be on a level no one in history has imagined.
Oh, except for Paul, he declared, "on that day, I will know, even as I am fully known". He saw it.
The real key to this is to be able to conceive that in fact, while God is a God of mystery, he is also a God of maths, of laws and principles, and is highly, highly detailed in all things. The final veil will be lifted when we begin to perceive spiritual reality to the same extent that we perceive material reality.
The Holy Fathers of the first centuries of the Church were careful to use the apophatic approach to discussing theology. As God’s creatures we cannot know everything about Him. However, we can know what He is not.
checking up with some of the frens to see if i got it correctly:
basically the whole unted states system is utterly corrupt, have been for years.
Freedom was always an illusion, and the UNITED STATES corp is not the United States of America
Wich explains the constant wars.
as well as the meddling with other countries.
the reason nobody noticed was because the news were paid below the table.
and that is just the political aspect of it all.
so far i understood it?
That sums up a lot of it, but there’s a lot more to the historical aspect as to where the evil comes from. At its root, it has and always will be a battle between God and Satan. What we see are their moves on the world chess board. We’re almost at check mate, and God holds the winning move.
What we are experiencing right now is disclosure. It is breaking the info up into smaller bites that the public can wrap their heads around. This is complicated shit and even those who have fully immersed themselves have trouble explaining what has been going on in a complete and understandable manner. Almost everything coming out I have been aware of for years. None of it is is new. But the public treats it like it is because they havent been able to grasp the reality when taken in its entirety. Now though I can see the public finally coming to the same conclusions we here have held for a long time. This truly was a brilliant plan and those that have sacrificed their lives and livelihoods are heroes in this war. If Trump hadnt won and intervened though, if their 16 year plan had gone on uninterrupted, the butchers bill would have been astronomically higher.
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Terrific summary, LongTimeListener.
And yes: if Trump hadn't intervened, we'd be living in Hell right now and with near-zero chance of getting back to a reasonably healthy "normal."
Yep, even Trump would refuse to take all credit, would tell us it's all God's Plan.
Trump's a General, we, his soldiers- each wearing that buckle of Truth
You're right about Trump. He does often highlight the good things he does (for red-pilling, among other things) but he's also a very humble, decent person and he does credit others -- and ultimately, God -- for the plan.
Side comment: I don't believe the human mind can or ever will fully understand the nature of God, anymore than a paramecium can understand Shakespeare. Certainly, the God-as-old-man-in-the-sky never made sense to me (even as a young child, that seemed more like Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny than anything real. I was a pretty cynical kid) but in recent years, I've come to believe God is the Consciousness that all matter is built from (many big-name physicists believe the same: that matter comes from a universal consciousness -- not self awareness, but an ineffable conscousness -- rather than the other way around; Kastrup is a good introduction to the idea and McGilchrist discusses it, with quotes and references, in detail in his The Matter With Things: Our Brains, Our Delusions and the Unmaking of the World).
So yes, that sense of Right and Wrong all healthy humans have -- other animals too; dogs for instance get angry at unfairness to themselves or even to others -- is God's Plan, working through our true nature, as created -- not mechanistically, of course, but over time and via evolution within the created prior fitness of the universe for carbon-based life -- by God, the Universe, or however you conceive it.
Actually I echo those sentiments and have for some time... doubt we're alone. Well articulated, either way I'm sure we'll find out in "time"
Interesting side comment. I certainly think you are on the right track. However, I'd like to suggest a thought experiment.
Imagine people 2000 years ago, and their concepts of how the material world operates. Planets? Atoms? Quantum energy? Giant metal ships that weigh many, many tons flying through the air?
The material, intellectual development of our civilizations has taken gradual time, step by step, by step, building on each previous building block. How about with the spiritual? History shows that spiritual understanding moves forward primarily in leaps. One understanding prevails for many, many centuries, then someone comes with a completely new level of insight, and the whole paradigm moves up a level.
Compare us now re: the material world compared with the understanding that prevailed say, 500 years ago. The level of details and intricacy we understand is completely incomparable. Like comparing a daisy to a giant oak.
The material world operates and functions on highly complex yet very knowable, mathematical and physical laws and principles. Why should we think that the spiritual dimension does not function in the same way? Both are created by the same creator.
How can we know the material world? because we are part of it, and we contain all the elements within it. We are microcosms.
So there are two points here. One, that we can indeed understand the nature of God, because God created us, and we are part of both the material and spiritual world. It's just that, like Jesus message and understanding of God was light-years ahead of the understanding that Moses brought, we're still due for a final installment. We're not there yet, but everything in the scripture indicates that's where we are headed.
Two, we need to understand the limits of intellect. The intellect thinks that it can 'know' everything, but there are many things that transcend intellect. Love transcends, for example. So, a man studying basketball via books, reading every book he can find about basketball, for 5, 10, 20 years, will still never "know" what basketball is. True 'knowing' means experiencing, so that the intellect is lifted, but the intellect is still less than the actual experience.
The Israelites experienced God on one level. As their master, lord, with themselves as servants. But Christians experience God on a completely different level (if we allow ourselves); experiencing God as a father, a close friend, where we are beloved not as servants, but as precious children.
What if the final step is something above all that? Jesus described his experience, of being in the father and the father being in him. The father being the inner, Jesus himself being the outer. Both one and the same. Jesus experience of God was completely a full, but no matter how he describes that experience, we can only ever understand it like the man studying basketball in his room. We only get a very small taste, now and then, of God. But what if we were fully immersed in the experience of God, 24 hours a day, fully resonating with God? Again, scripture indicates that this is where the entire history of 'salvation' is headed.
Just as we have body spirit and flesh, both given from out Creator, likewise, we can have both spiritual knowledge - or internal knowledge - and flesh-based knowledge - external or material knowledge.
At the fall of the human ancestors, not only the ancestors became separated from God, but their entire lineage - us - fell into ignorance of God, both internal ignorance (of the spiritual reality) and external ignorance (of the material reality).
It makes sense that in the history of God restoring humanity back to him, fully, that he created two streams of learning by which humanity could overcome our ignorance. We might consider that religion is the instrument for overcoming internal ignorance, and science is the instrument for overcoming external ignorance. (I mean religion in the sense of the spiritual civilizations and methodology, not in the sense of institutions).
I believe that at some point, we are destined to upgrade our spiritual understanding, so that internal ignorance is replaced by internal knowledge, and external ignorance is replaced by external knowledge, and then the two will unite and reinforce each other.
Science and Religion are two sides of the same coin, reflecting the dual aspects of humanity - flesh and spirit. At some point, we will be able to understand God's works and God's nature to the level that we understand the external universe.
However, the point needs to be re-emphasized, that this will only come via the experience of God, not via intellectual effort. Once you have an experience, then you can begin to do a breakdown, analyse and develop theories that account for the experience. That's how science works. This is also how spiritual understanding works. Someone has a profound, new experience of God, and then articulates that in terms on a level of the intellectual development of the day.
THat last point is key. Today, we are on an intellectual level that is like that oak tree, compared to the people, including disciples, of Jesus time. So how on earth could he explain things in detail, when they could not grasp even the basics.? he couldn't. but after 2000 years of training, of edging closer and upgrading out intellects, when finally God is ready to give us the final upgrade, it will be on a level no one in history has imagined.
Oh, except for Paul, he declared, "on that day, I will know, even as I am fully known". He saw it.
The real key to this is to be able to conceive that in fact, while God is a God of mystery, he is also a God of maths, of laws and principles, and is highly, highly detailed in all things. The final veil will be lifted when we begin to perceive spiritual reality to the same extent that we perceive material reality.
Anyway, just a few ideas.
The Holy Fathers of the first centuries of the Church were careful to use the apophatic approach to discussing theology. As God’s creatures we cannot know everything about Him. However, we can know what He is not.
If God hadn't intervened....
(imo)
checking up with some of the frens to see if i got it correctly: basically the whole unted states system is utterly corrupt, have been for years. Freedom was always an illusion, and the UNITED STATES corp is not the United States of America Wich explains the constant wars. as well as the meddling with other countries. the reason nobody noticed was because the news were paid below the table. and that is just the political aspect of it all. so far i understood it?
The movie network is great
The news anchor freaks out and tries to wake people up….. he then gets a talking to my the real owners of America.
https://youtu.be/mggkGeDX6lg
That sums up a lot of it, but there’s a lot more to the historical aspect as to where the evil comes from. At its root, it has and always will be a battle between God and Satan. What we see are their moves on the world chess board. We’re almost at check mate, and God holds the winning move.
no surprise there he is the one that made the table the pieces and the game, defeat was never an option.
The butchers bill is exactly correct.