I hadn't thought about it that way. I suppose the view people have of the pledge is something like an exercise in patriotism, although there is an argument for it being little more than dogmatic repetition...
I wonder if, instead, the pledge was a voluntary act committed by parents before sending their children off to school if it would be more useful. It could lead to curiousity on the part of children and the parents could explain why they make a point of saying the pledge everyday, thus teaching their kids and learning themselves along the way as their children inevitably ask them questions which they will have to research to give their kids answers...
Clicked on this thread and wrongly assumed that Americans would be like yeh this is great super patriotic let's show the damn commies, U-S-A etc. How wrong I was but in a good way.
Brainwashing kids even in patriotism is just wrong. Nobody should spend their childhood being force-trained in groupthink.
I have read through this entire post and took your advice to look up the history of the pledge. Although Bellamy, a Christian socialist minister, contributed to some of the wording of the pledge, his original pledge is not the finished product. So while you have a valid point, I am not sure I would consider that the pledge is a socialist, commie construct that does not possess any validity...it is important to know the history of things...but our history has been rewritten so frequently who knows what is really true...
^ This.
Maybe so, but it now pisses off commies.
They hate any mention of God.
That phrase wasn't added until 1954.
https://www.history.com/news/pledge-allegiance-under-god-schools
Shit in their bowl.
Not your own.
That would be silly.
They shat in your bowl over 100 years and now you're defending it.
https://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2017/07/07/the-pledge-of-allegiance-was-actually-written-by-a-socialist/
What a terrible argument, there’s a logical fallacy in there somewhere
Old country wisdom:
I'm curious. Besides being made by a communist, what exactly is objectionable about the pledge?
A vain repetition chant should not be a legal requirement for school children.
I hadn't thought about it that way. I suppose the view people have of the pledge is something like an exercise in patriotism, although there is an argument for it being little more than dogmatic repetition...
I wonder if, instead, the pledge was a voluntary act committed by parents before sending their children off to school if it would be more useful. It could lead to curiousity on the part of children and the parents could explain why they make a point of saying the pledge everyday, thus teaching their kids and learning themselves along the way as their children inevitably ask them questions which they will have to research to give their kids answers...
Clicked on this thread and wrongly assumed that Americans would be like yeh this is great super patriotic let's show the damn commies, U-S-A etc. How wrong I was but in a good way.
Brainwashing kids even in patriotism is just wrong. Nobody should spend their childhood being force-trained in groupthink.
I have read through this entire post and took your advice to look up the history of the pledge. Although Bellamy, a Christian socialist minister, contributed to some of the wording of the pledge, his original pledge is not the finished product. So while you have a valid point, I am not sure I would consider that the pledge is a socialist, commie construct that does not possess any validity...it is important to know the history of things...but our history has been rewritten so frequently who knows what is really true...
https://www.history.com/news/who-created-the-pledge-of-allegiance