Well I thinks that's only partially true. They had to at least stay somewhat within the boundaries of the voter roles/county population in order to pull off the steal. i.e. if XYZ county has a population of two million total people with say one million registered voters and Trump got say 750,000 ballots and Biden only 250,000, they couldn't just print 600,000 new fake ballots and blow past the voter roles by over 50% (1.55 million total voters) without anybody noticing. They'd have to be destroying opposing legit ballots at the same rate they were introducing their fake ones to some degree...
We noticed the fuck out of the blatantly obvious stealing, and it did no good whatsoever. "There was no evidence of fraud, those are false debunked claims," sez the teevee. And guess who still believes them?
Makes one think the steal was definitely known about in advance and allowed to happen. Again.
In hindsight it's better that the shit show not be on Trump's watch.
What bothers me is that none of the evidence presented has been enough to convince even a large minority of the public that the steal happened. Where is the smoking gun, the incontrovertible proof that fraud happened on a massive scale, and evidence to implicate even one person?
As soon as the cardboard went up in the windows to block the poll watchers and they were locked out of the room, that was the end of the fair, unbiased election.
Nothing else after that matters at all. Nothing.
Because non-transparency was executed by force. Therefore any reasonable person would have to assume [they] were lying and cheating, and hiding to cover up the lying and cheating.
Yep, and that's my point. If it was obvious there was +100% voter turnout all over the place and Trump has never once mentioned it, that means team Trump wants things this way.
Agreed, I've heard about this type of thing dozens of times, including the 2020 election. I've just never seen Trump or anybody on his team openly declare it.
Don't forget, some votes were flat out swapped by machines. There was one precinct in NH that had 9 machines. Trump won 6 machines by roughly 54-46. However, on machines 3,6, and 9, Biden won 76-24. A full 30% swap. To make it more interesting, the congressional seat was a 20% swap. The Governor race was a 10% swap. My theory is that Sununu is in on it, but had to be cheated just a little so he could say, "See? They cheated me, too!!!" Not enough to cost him his job, though. Don't you ever wonder why NH always elects Republicans for local seats, but Democrats for national?
I agree that's a very common, and old-school way to flip votes. There's even a guy who testified to this way back in the early 2000s (Bush/Gore) that this was what they did with the old Diebold machines.
All I was saying was, they had to do MORE than just dump a couple hundred thousand new mail-in ballots into the pile. They almost certainly had to destroy Trump ballots somehow to make the numbers work.
The guy way back in the early 2000s was the same man who ran the machines in NH in 2020. I can't remember his name right off hand, but it's the same dude.
Destroy ballots, you say? Well, get this. Remember Arizona, 2020? Do you happen to recall when Maricopa County put "2.1 million ballots" on a truck to send to the Senate? They took a picture and asked where they wanted them sent, or something to that extent. The Senate didn't want them yet, and they were to be put back. Two days later there is a chicken barn fire at the farm of Clint Hickman. Here's the kicker. There were never 2.1 million ballots in the back of that truck. When they did the audit, there were like 30 pallets making up the 2.1 million ballots. There were SIX pallets on that truck. So, why were those 6 pallets, which they called 2.1 million, really put on that truck? Trump won Arizona BIG. Big enough that it would take 6 pallets of ballots to dispose of that evidence.
Throw in the fact there is a ballot printing company right down the street...
Oh, that SAME ballot printing company had pallets of ballots in Cobb County, Georgia. The same place they were shredding ballots right after the election.
There's definitive proof of +100% voter turnout or is that just speculation, one guys opinion or just "meme proof"?
If there was, why isn't Trump screaming it from the rafters? Seems like the media couldn't let that slide. Trump says "ABC county had 120% voter turnout, XYZ county had 110% voter turnout", etc.
I've never heard him say it. Which means it's either not "officially" true, or he and everybody else wanted it to be this way.
Well I thinks that's only partially true. They had to at least stay somewhat within the boundaries of the voter roles/county population in order to pull off the steal. i.e. if XYZ county has a population of two million total people with say one million registered voters and Trump got say 750,000 ballots and Biden only 250,000, they couldn't just print 600,000 new fake ballots and blow past the voter roles by over 50% (1.55 million total voters) without anybody noticing. They'd have to be destroying opposing legit ballots at the same rate they were introducing their fake ones to some degree...
We noticed the fuck out of the blatantly obvious stealing, and it did no good whatsoever. "There was no evidence of fraud, those are false debunked claims," sez the teevee. And guess who still believes them?
Makes one think the steal was definitely known about in advance and allowed to happen. Again.
In hindsight it's better that the shit show not be on Trump's watch.
What bothers me is that none of the evidence presented has been enough to convince even a large minority of the public that the steal happened. Where is the smoking gun, the incontrovertible proof that fraud happened on a massive scale, and evidence to implicate even one person?
As soon as the cardboard went up in the windows to block the poll watchers and they were locked out of the room, that was the end of the fair, unbiased election.
Nothing else after that matters at all. Nothing.
Because non-transparency was executed by force. Therefore any reasonable person would have to assume [they] were lying and cheating, and hiding to cover up the lying and cheating.
And that's exactly what happened.
Still not proof of fraud, and no legal requirement for them to have windows. You can't prove anything from that.
Yep, and that's my point. If it was obvious there was +100% voter turnout all over the place and Trump has never once mentioned it, that means team Trump wants things this way.
They do this in Wayne County (Detroit) every election.
And we have definitive proof? If so, why hasn't Trump ever said this?
There were a number of counties that had more votes than registered voters and even population.
I've seen the speculation, but never heard Trump or anybody on his team say they've got the goods.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/u-s-has-3-5-million-more-registered-voters-than-live-adults-a-red-flag-for-electoral-fraud/
Note that this is from 2017, well before the 2020 election. This is just one report.
Here's another from 2015 saying similar:
https://neveryetmelted.com/2015/08/28/141-us-counties-have-more-voters-than-living-eligible-residents/
Agreed, I've heard about this type of thing dozens of times, including the 2020 election. I've just never seen Trump or anybody on his team openly declare it.
Don't forget, some votes were flat out swapped by machines. There was one precinct in NH that had 9 machines. Trump won 6 machines by roughly 54-46. However, on machines 3,6, and 9, Biden won 76-24. A full 30% swap. To make it more interesting, the congressional seat was a 20% swap. The Governor race was a 10% swap. My theory is that Sununu is in on it, but had to be cheated just a little so he could say, "See? They cheated me, too!!!" Not enough to cost him his job, though. Don't you ever wonder why NH always elects Republicans for local seats, but Democrats for national?
I agree that's a very common, and old-school way to flip votes. There's even a guy who testified to this way back in the early 2000s (Bush/Gore) that this was what they did with the old Diebold machines.
All I was saying was, they had to do MORE than just dump a couple hundred thousand new mail-in ballots into the pile. They almost certainly had to destroy Trump ballots somehow to make the numbers work.
The guy way back in the early 2000s was the same man who ran the machines in NH in 2020. I can't remember his name right off hand, but it's the same dude.
Destroy ballots, you say? Well, get this. Remember Arizona, 2020? Do you happen to recall when Maricopa County put "2.1 million ballots" on a truck to send to the Senate? They took a picture and asked where they wanted them sent, or something to that extent. The Senate didn't want them yet, and they were to be put back. Two days later there is a chicken barn fire at the farm of Clint Hickman. Here's the kicker. There were never 2.1 million ballots in the back of that truck. When they did the audit, there were like 30 pallets making up the 2.1 million ballots. There were SIX pallets on that truck. So, why were those 6 pallets, which they called 2.1 million, really put on that truck? Trump won Arizona BIG. Big enough that it would take 6 pallets of ballots to dispose of that evidence.
Throw in the fact there is a ballot printing company right down the street...
Oh, that SAME ballot printing company had pallets of ballots in Cobb County, Georgia. The same place they were shredding ballots right after the election.
Lots of coincidences, if you ask me.
Yep, no doubt they were disposing of ballots en masse around the country, Maricopa was probably the most.
Some counties had over 100% voter turnout. Those restrictions clearly weren't in play.
There's definitive proof of +100% voter turnout or is that just speculation, one guys opinion or just "meme proof"?
If there was, why isn't Trump screaming it from the rafters? Seems like the media couldn't let that slide. Trump says "ABC county had 120% voter turnout, XYZ county had 110% voter turnout", etc.
I've never heard him say it. Which means it's either not "officially" true, or he and everybody else wanted it to be this way.