I know many many many Christians and conservatives that have tattoos. There are people in my church for tattoos, even on the leadership team. I see this all over and Christian society.
Many people got tattoos before they were saved, but now they are so they have the tattoos but who cares? Does Jesus care? No he doesn’t. He cares what’s inside. What’s inside our hearts.
And there are many churches that blaspheme the name and teachings of Jesus Christ. Our bodies are beautiful. To me, this is especially true for women. IMHO no one should be marked with graffiti.
“You shall not make any gashes in your flesh for the dead or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the LORD.” -- Leviticus 19:28.
Again, the unblemished body is beautiful and should wittingly remain unblemished.
It’s because some people are still living under legalism, instead of under the freedom of Christ. They would rather be Pharisees, than live their life freely in Christ. How sad is that.
It seems your knowledge of Scripture precedes you and it appears you have no concept of Jesus' sacrifice or what it means by the body being the temple of the Lord. As I will show by Jesus own words, he didn't come to erase the law, but to fulfill it. Your body is to be presented as being acceptable for receiving the holy Spirit. This isn't a 'welfare' right, but an extreme honor and recognition for receiving the holy Spirit in your house (body). Allegorically, if you had a highly revered public figure that requested to stay at your home, would you want graffiti on the outside of your house? Regarding, the law of the Old Testament (Testament or Covenant is a binding contract), only the terms and conditions were changed by Jesus. Jesus said:
Matt. 5: 17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Now let's review Leviticus 19:28. When the words *'shall not' are used it is ordered in the strongest terms of language. In American and British jurisprudence, any law using 'shall not' is absolute and enforceable with the strongest measures.
“You shall not make any gashes in your flesh for the dead or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the LORD.” -- Leviticus 19:28.
That was before the cross. Jesus had to fulfill the law to be the perfect sacrifice, which allowed the grace of God to save mankind. No one was saved under the law. No one. Read Hebrews carefully - men of faith were saved by their faith in God - that he would provide a way.
The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them<
Of all the animals that walk on all fours, those that walk on their paws are unclean for you; whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening<
Careful friend your words are coming off very judging. Surely you don't wanna do that..
Jesus judges the heart. Thank God. Because I'm sure I could find many of the 600+ laws that u don't follow. And since u wanna condem/judge others for the laws they don't follow. U better be following all 600+ cause that is how u will be judged. I do understand what you are saying to a degree. We wanna seek to follow them and not guide people from them. At the same time let him who is free of sin cast the first stone. Your presentation here was off. How we come off to others is important. love you though
In short we shouldn't promote tattoos as if we are free to mark our flesh, however we become free in Christ. Our past falls away so any tattoos we do have get removed as far as sin, when we accept him
Both your post and the OPs post can be true. Remember, the whole point of the new testament was that Jesus raised the bar, fulfilled the law, and gave us the gift of repentance so that we wouldn't get lost in legalism as a barometer for our value. How lucky are we that god allowed us a savior that reaches into a barrel of sinful monkeys for followers? Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom as he has every right to be wrathful, but let us not forget the woman condemned to death "go, and sin no more". There is none of us without sin, so repentance is a gift of the highest value.
Another word for Testament is Covenant. We read about the covenant in the Old Testament and it is for this reason it is sometimes referred to as the Old Covenant. A covenant is a contract. This can be easily verified. In every contract there exists terms and conditions of that contract. In the Old Testament, an example of this are the blessings and curses for Israel not upholding the laws and ordinances therein.
So, we are dealing with a great contract here. When you say you don't want to "get lost in legalism", the statement is ambiguous to me. A contract is ab initio a legal agreement between parties. A more accurate term for the New Testament is Renewed Covenant. The reason is that not one iota of the original contract (Covenant) was changed. Jesus' entire mission only changed the terms and conditions of this great contract (Covenant). Also, when you said, "the whole point of the new testament was that Jesus raised the bar,.....", I find this to be somewhat cryptic in meaning and opaque to me. Jesus came to fulfill prophesies of the Old Testament. And what is meant by "fulfilling the law" is fulfilling for all of us who believe in Him, the requirements of the Old Covenant to the exact letter and thus meeting the terms and conditions of the contract. The Old Covenant presented the Israelites with an impossible task of keeping the Old Covenant without any violations. Only Jesus succeeded in doing so. From his sacrifice, he paid for all our violations and as a blessing for His accomplishment, the Covenant was renewed with new terms and conditions. We paid with His blood so that we could live and have a chance of being saved.
So fren, I assume you try to keep the 10 commandments - as enshrined in Exodus? (Not the bastardized Catholic version where they actually "changed" the only part of the Bible actually written by the finger if God himself).
Im not trying to asshoe or even address the tattoo issue, just want to ask your level of understanding of God's laws.
NOPE! Wrong! Leviticus 19:28 speaks against tattoos and other artificial marks against the body. Therefore you are damned. TOO LATE!
Or........ was the curtain rent from top to bottom, and the Old Testament (which includes verses against teh gays and against wearing poly-fiber clothing) laid to rest? Your call:
Matthew 27:51: "At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split."
Mark 15:38: "The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom."
Luke 23:45: "The sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two."
In other words, you are correct, frog. God sees only what's in the heart. And if you call upon the Lord and ask to be saved, you are.
So you downvoted me, (expected) and answered me with scripture. What if that scripture has been twisted, lets say slightly by the Cabal. You know, like they twisted everything else in this world. In fact I find it highly unlikely that scripture is pure. It would be just perfect if they authored a book that sprung from it hundreds of religions that all liked to kill each other and to this day persecute others and judge because of it. You can grab 100 people educated in that field and get 100 different perspectives. Do you not see any kind of problem with this? They could even make the prophesy and fulfill it themselves when they choose. You are putting your faith in the fact that did not happen. I respect that. But I have to ask, have you ever given it thought?
That does not come close to answering the question. It also ignores logic. What I said has nothing to do with putting faith in the cabal. I expect them to do every single dastardly thing imaginable. Changing scripture does not mean I have faith in the cabal. It means this lines up to what they are not only capable of but what they would do. I suppose you could have said God would not allow them to mess with his word but if this planet truly belongs to the dark side, how can you possibly trust anything in it?
It’s funny that you mention tattoo removal. I was at a treatment center yesterday for vitamin infusions. They do other aesthetics as well. They have tattoo removal available. It cost thousands of dollars, and the pictures that I saw don’t even remove the tattoos permanently. You can actually still see a shadow of them. So, although you suggest such things, I’m sure most people, especially in this day and age cannot afford to have their tattoos removed.
The whole point is that we are now free in Christ, but people still think they need to work their way to heaven. How depressing is that?
Lots of people missing the point here. He isn't saying anything bad about tattoos, he's saying if you are white, fit, and DON'T have tattoos in 2023, you're definitely conservative. I haven't seen evidence to the contrary myself. But this is not to say you can ONLY be conservative if you don't have tattoos, or if you're fit, or white. If you don't tick all those boxes, someone might ask your politics; but if you do, they should already know.
I know many many many Christians and conservatives that have tattoos. There are people in my church for tattoos, even on the leadership team. I see this all over and Christian society.
Many people got tattoos before they were saved, but now they are so they have the tattoos but who cares? Does Jesus care? No he doesn’t. He cares what’s inside. What’s inside our hearts.
And there are many churches that blaspheme the name and teachings of Jesus Christ. Our bodies are beautiful. To me, this is especially true for women. IMHO no one should be marked with graffiti.
“You shall not make any gashes in your flesh for the dead or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the LORD.” -- Leviticus 19:28.
Again, the unblemished body is beautiful and should wittingly remain unblemished.
I guess you didn’t read the part about people getting tattoos before they get saved.
Duh…
It's strange you got downvoted on this comment, it's a valid point.
It’s because some people are still living under legalism, instead of under the freedom of Christ. They would rather be Pharisees, than live their life freely in Christ. How sad is that.
It seems your knowledge of Scripture precedes you and it appears you have no concept of Jesus' sacrifice or what it means by the body being the temple of the Lord. As I will show by Jesus own words, he didn't come to erase the law, but to fulfill it. Your body is to be presented as being acceptable for receiving the holy Spirit. This isn't a 'welfare' right, but an extreme honor and recognition for receiving the holy Spirit in your house (body). Allegorically, if you had a highly revered public figure that requested to stay at your home, would you want graffiti on the outside of your house? Regarding, the law of the Old Testament (Testament or Covenant is a binding contract), only the terms and conditions were changed by Jesus. Jesus said:
Matt. 5: 17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Now let's review Leviticus 19:28. When the words *'shall not' are used it is ordered in the strongest terms of language. In American and British jurisprudence, any law using 'shall not' is absolute and enforceable with the strongest measures.
“You shall not make any gashes in your flesh for the dead or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the LORD.” -- Leviticus 19:28.
Right scriptures, wrong preaching.
Yep. 💯
That was before the cross. Jesus had to fulfill the law to be the perfect sacrifice, which allowed the grace of God to save mankind. No one was saved under the law. No one. Read Hebrews carefully - men of faith were saved by their faith in God - that he would provide a way.
For the dead...
So what are people supposed to do who had tattoos before they were saved? Scrub their body because they’re dirty? You’re starting to sound Jewish.
Careful friend your words are coming off very judging. Surely you don't wanna do that..
Jesus judges the heart. Thank God. Because I'm sure I could find many of the 600+ laws that u don't follow. And since u wanna condem/judge others for the laws they don't follow. U better be following all 600+ cause that is how u will be judged. I do understand what you are saying to a degree. We wanna seek to follow them and not guide people from them. At the same time let him who is free of sin cast the first stone. Your presentation here was off. How we come off to others is important. love you though
u/ThisIsHowItStarts I'm gonna tag u as well sis
In short we shouldn't promote tattoos as if we are free to mark our flesh, however we become free in Christ. Our past falls away so any tattoos we do have get removed as far as sin, when we accept him
Ouch.
Both your post and the OPs post can be true. Remember, the whole point of the new testament was that Jesus raised the bar, fulfilled the law, and gave us the gift of repentance so that we wouldn't get lost in legalism as a barometer for our value. How lucky are we that god allowed us a savior that reaches into a barrel of sinful monkeys for followers? Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom as he has every right to be wrathful, but let us not forget the woman condemned to death "go, and sin no more". There is none of us without sin, so repentance is a gift of the highest value.
Another word for Testament is Covenant. We read about the covenant in the Old Testament and it is for this reason it is sometimes referred to as the Old Covenant. A covenant is a contract. This can be easily verified. In every contract there exists terms and conditions of that contract. In the Old Testament, an example of this are the blessings and curses for Israel not upholding the laws and ordinances therein.
So, we are dealing with a great contract here. When you say you don't want to "get lost in legalism", the statement is ambiguous to me. A contract is ab initio a legal agreement between parties. A more accurate term for the New Testament is Renewed Covenant. The reason is that not one iota of the original contract (Covenant) was changed. Jesus' entire mission only changed the terms and conditions of this great contract (Covenant). Also, when you said, "the whole point of the new testament was that Jesus raised the bar,.....", I find this to be somewhat cryptic in meaning and opaque to me. Jesus came to fulfill prophesies of the Old Testament. And what is meant by "fulfilling the law" is fulfilling for all of us who believe in Him, the requirements of the Old Covenant to the exact letter and thus meeting the terms and conditions of the contract. The Old Covenant presented the Israelites with an impossible task of keeping the Old Covenant without any violations. Only Jesus succeeded in doing so. From his sacrifice, he paid for all our violations and as a blessing for His accomplishment, the Covenant was renewed with new terms and conditions. We paid with His blood so that we could live and have a chance of being saved.
I always was taught that our bodies are a temple. And that is how we can receive the Holy Spirit.
Also - we’re not Jewish, and we don’t have to live by there 616 laws or however, many there are.
Christ came to fulfill the law!
Don’t you remember he hung out with tax collectors in harlots? I’m pretty sure they might’ve had a couple tattoos.
But each person can choose what they want to do with their own body! Having a tattoo does not keep you from going to heaven.
So fren, I assume you try to keep the 10 commandments - as enshrined in Exodus? (Not the bastardized Catholic version where they actually "changed" the only part of the Bible actually written by the finger if God himself).
Im not trying to asshoe or even address the tattoo issue, just want to ask your level of understanding of God's laws.
NOPE! Wrong! Leviticus 19:28 speaks against tattoos and other artificial marks against the body. Therefore you are damned. TOO LATE!
Or........ was the curtain rent from top to bottom, and the Old Testament (which includes verses against teh gays and against wearing poly-fiber clothing) laid to rest? Your call:
Matthew 27:51: "At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split."
Mark 15:38: "The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom."
Luke 23:45: "The sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two."
In other words, you are correct, frog. God sees only what's in the heart. And if you call upon the Lord and ask to be saved, you are.
Yes… Please, and, thank you! Very well said.
The Lord didn’t come for the righteous, but to bring sinners to repentance.
Very eloquently stated!
So you downvoted me, (expected) and answered me with scripture. What if that scripture has been twisted, lets say slightly by the Cabal. You know, like they twisted everything else in this world. In fact I find it highly unlikely that scripture is pure. It would be just perfect if they authored a book that sprung from it hundreds of religions that all liked to kill each other and to this day persecute others and judge because of it. You can grab 100 people educated in that field and get 100 different perspectives. Do you not see any kind of problem with this? They could even make the prophesy and fulfill it themselves when they choose. You are putting your faith in the fact that did not happen. I respect that. But I have to ask, have you ever given it thought?
I would not downvote in a discussion such as this
You can put your faith in God's power, or you can put your faith in the cabal's power.
You can pick only one.
That does not come close to answering the question. It also ignores logic. What I said has nothing to do with putting faith in the cabal. I expect them to do every single dastardly thing imaginable. Changing scripture does not mean I have faith in the cabal. It means this lines up to what they are not only capable of but what they would do. I suppose you could have said God would not allow them to mess with his word but if this planet truly belongs to the dark side, how can you possibly trust anything in it?
I find it so interesting how people are so condemning regarding tattoos. The infighting is interesting. I’m just glad you’re not Jesus.
It’s funny that you mention tattoo removal. I was at a treatment center yesterday for vitamin infusions. They do other aesthetics as well. They have tattoo removal available. It cost thousands of dollars, and the pictures that I saw don’t even remove the tattoos permanently. You can actually still see a shadow of them. So, although you suggest such things, I’m sure most people, especially in this day and age cannot afford to have their tattoos removed.
The whole point is that we are now free in Christ, but people still think they need to work their way to heaven. How depressing is that?
Lots of people missing the point here. He isn't saying anything bad about tattoos, he's saying if you are white, fit, and DON'T have tattoos in 2023, you're definitely conservative. I haven't seen evidence to the contrary myself. But this is not to say you can ONLY be conservative if you don't have tattoos, or if you're fit, or white. If you don't tick all those boxes, someone might ask your politics; but if you do, they should already know.
What if they are also dressed nicely? Sounds like a couple of gay guys I know - one is a dim and one is a pub.