https://sjmagis.com/2022/05/23/christs-date-of-birth/
https://www.newvision.co.ug/news/1090427/jesus-born-september
https://www.elizabethton.com/2018/09/10/excited-about-9-11-and-return-of-jesus/
At the beginning of December, families start preparing for Christmas, known as Jesus Christ’s birthday. When is Jesus’s birthday? Most people think it is December 25. However, this isn’t the correct date of Christ’s birth day.
During Jesus’s time the Julian calendar was invented by Julius Caesar in 45 BCE, but this calendar only has 29 days per month, and each century the gap between our calendar and Julian calendar increases from the four year jump. Not only that, but time back then wasn’t properly recorded and maintained.
Before diving deeper into this topic, I would like to say for the record that I firmly believe in Jesus Christ, our savior and messiah. I believe he rose from the dead and ascended to heaven, so when discussing the date of birth of Christ, I only wish to question whether or not the common date for His birth is accurate and not question Jesus or disprove him in any way.
By using historical records from the ancient Roman Empire, astronomic events, the Bible, and “The Star that Astonished the World” written by Ernest L. Martin, we can estimate the date of Jesus’ birth is September 11, 3 BC.
To start, Martin wrote the book to discover the identity of the Star of Bethlehem. He made the conclusion of the exact date of the birth of Christ just stated. Martin’s astronomical identification is supported by Roman and Jewish records that lead to Martin’s conclusion that this star is indeed the star that the Magi of the East saw. Who were the Magi of the East? They are the wise men. Magi back then were high-ranking officials, interpreting dreams for kings, interpreters of heavenly signs. These Magi were trained in an astronomical religion, similar to the one Daniel was head of (Book of Daniel 2:48). In a nutshell, these men knew what they were looking for. In the period of 3 – 2 BC, a rare event occurred involving the alignment of Jupiter called the Great Conjunction. The Magi observed a conjunction between Venus and Jupiter in August 12, 3 BC and another in June 17, 2 BC. In ancient cultures, this timeframe was considered a period of 2 years. This is why Herod the Great ordered to kill every son that was two years or younger (Matthew 2:16).
According to the Gospel of Luke, Jesus started his ministry around age 30. Meanwhile, Tiberius Caesar Augustus had been a Roman Emperor for 15 years. Caesar became an emperor on August 19, 14 AD and killed Jesus during his reign. Caesar chose the year August 14 AD – August 15 AD as a symbol of his power making every year during his reign to start in August and end in August. Subtracting from the point during Caesar’s 15th year of reign would be August 27 – August 28 AD. Subtracting from that, Jesus’ age, we would get 3 BC as Jesus’ birth year.
We figured out the year, but determining the month would require the 24 priestly courses. In I Chronicles 9:22, King David made a system where every week, the first family of priests began their service at noon on a Sabbath (Saturday) and finished on the following Sabbath noon. The 24 priestly courses required one family of priests, and 24 courses took six months to finish. The father of John the Baptist, Zacharias, serves the eighth course (I Chronicles 24:10). These 24 priestly courses began the first month of Nisan (March-April) in the Jewish calendar, and the first day in the 2022 solar calendar is April 2. The first course is April 2 – 8, second April 9 – 15 with the Passover after noon on April 15, followed by the annual holiday celebration from April 16 – 22. The third course begins, then forth, etc. Zacharias‘ eighth week took place May 28 – June 3; fortunately, Zacharias’ wife would conceive a baby after the eight priestly courses around the week of June 13th (Luke 1:13, 23-24). Since the message was delivered by an angel, the pregnancy would have taken 280 days, making John the Baptist’s birthday in the next March. In Luke 1:26, it indicated that Jesus’ birth would take place 6 months prior to John the Baptist’s birth, meaning Jesus was born in September.
By using the Bible, Magi, Martins’ book, and Historical records of Caesar, we are able to determine Jesus’ birthday with an encouraging level of accuracy. However, this topic is still open to investigation and debate.
Mmm this is not quite right if you go by historical events that are documented he was likely born in the spring around April. Doesn’t really matter though.
Agreed. In fact, his birth was probably on the new moon of Nisan - which is a significant point on the Hebrew calendar as it fixes not only the month, but starts the rest of the religious calendar cycle. Every major event in his life aligns on that calendar - his death, resurrection, the giving of the Holy Spirit and most likely his return. So, why would not his birth also line up with the same calendar. In addition, his birth was prior to the death of Herod the Great who, according to most scholarship, died in 4BCE. Therefore, the above posted dating is in error. That major fact was absent from the details listed. Another fact is that when the Magi came, they found "the child" in the "house." They came to see a child and not an infant in a manger. The Greek is specific in that this is speaking of a small child and not a baby. Guess people will have to rethink their manger scenes.
Pretty sure the Mormons believe Jesus was born in spring as well.
They also believe he walked with Native Americans in North America.
That... would be difficult considering there is some evidence that suggests that "Native" Americans weren't actually native at all, and may not have even been present during that time.
Also there is a lot of upset and downvotes and finger pointing in this thread, chill out frens
they do state that and is part of the basis of the book of mormon. Personally I do not believe any of that having been raised LDS and at age 34 I became a born again Christian and officially resigned from the LDS organization.
https://knowhy.bookofmormoncentral.org/knowhy/why-did-jesus-say-that-there-were-other-sheep-who-would-hear-his-voice
The “White God” described by several tribes. I’m Mornon.
Have a look on Stellarium if you doubt, look at Bethlehem on this date to see the stars in the sky.
funny how this crap sits at the top... Some unsauced comment with a dismissive conclusion gets 4 quick upvotes. what a joke
It absolutely does matter. The satanic cabal deliberately chose that date for the ritual sacrifice of 9/11 that has completely changed the world we live in in just two decades. They kept secret the birth of Christ and mocked it as a pagan date of December 25th
https://goodnessofgodministries.international/2011/12/22/when-was-jesus-christ-born-the-bible-says-september-11-3bc-the-day-of-the-feast-of-trumpets/
Feast of TRUMPets >> IT WILL BE BIBLICAL
If you're fine with coming across as an arrogant ass, that's your business. But if you're going to do so with such bravado, you need to make sure you've got ALL your details straight.
As for unsauced populism, there is no historical evidence to suggest that Dec 25th is a pagan holiday. There are holidays that exist around it in that month, but not on that date.
There IS, however, historical evidence suggesting that early Christians celebrated something in remembrance of Christ on Dec 25th as early as the first century. It is described as a festival of lights, special foods, and gift-giving. My own theory is that this was probably a modified version of what we know as Hanukkah, but that's just me, and I'm quick to say that. As for sauce, I'm not invested enough to go through the effort of digging that up ATM.
WRONG!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN0pd_8yTLU
lol I'm fine with stomping on clearly brigaded comments that are unsourced and directly attack the premise I put forward
You're coming across as the arrogant ass, not me, with a throw away comment that is unsourced and anecdotal
And keep bringing the downvotes... Always a big indicator of being RIGHT OVER THE TARGET
You've got to be kidding.
You start with this:
And then provide a link that argues that Christ is one of many "Sun Gods" and the apostles are constellations and the bible is all about astrology.
You need to relax, bro. Take some GABA. It's good for sleep.
I never said that...
The entire body of the submission quoted from the linked article...
OMG... how dumb are people...
The link you provided in response to my first comment?
This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN0pd_8yTLU
Begins summing up with this quote from Thomas Paine:
Do you even know what links you're posting? I'm really starting to think you're less of an asshole and just seriously not well.
Yes! God commanded the Jews to keep the feast days (Feast of Trumpets and Feast of Tabernacles) so they would recognize the coming of the promised Messiah when this event occurred on the feast day. Also, they should have understood that Jesus, the Lamb of God, was the sacrificial lamb when He was sacrificed during Passover--the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
Kinda glad they didn't since it opened the way for us Gentiles to be saved! Jus sayin but for sure God knew what they would do well before the foundation of the world.
I agree! I think my point was more that God set up the feast days also to serve as signposts or clues when He had certain events occur on those days rather than random dates not connected to anything in His written Word. He also uses eclipses, blood moons falling on feast days.
Feast days are a shadow of things to come.
I also heard June. Fact is, we don't know exactly.
We do know. By comparing astronomical records and biblical records clearly demonstrate it was, at most a 3-day span between September 11th and September 13th, 3bc. Many pinpointing it to exactly 9/11
Funny how you just brush this off by something you personally heard and then attributed to WE lol
There is tons of information on this fact, perhaps you'd like to dig them up.
I apologize. I should have put a link to my own bullshit 3rd party calculations to prove my point. I see that you too have a "WE lol" and I should have known that your apologetic had the best scholars and experts.
Anyway, if you believe you know when Jesus' birthday is, then good for you. I'm happy for you and quite proud.
Odd that you aren't pushing for it being September 13th, but hey, when you're sure you're sure, right? Right?
Edit: It wasn't quite a pissy enough reply so I improved it. You're welcome.
This guy does this crap all the time. He thinks he is a prophet or something
Ding.
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Whatever. No one knows the date and I'm moving on. People can read for themselves.
moving on after posting 5 concern troll comments lol
yes... move along, by all means
Excellent breakdown, but, there is one problem that needs to be resolved. Jesus was born before the death of Herod the Great which is fairly established as 4 BCE. When the family returned from Egypt, Herod was already dead.
I believe it reads in the 'time of Herod.'
That is better proof that it wasn't 4 years later, like 99% of the current belief system.
Most reliable scholarship has the date of Herod's death as in 4BCE. However, there are some less accepted dating that places it in 1BCE but this in an outlier. The text also states that when the Magi came, they found "the child" with his mother in "the house" meaning, that they came to see not an infant in a manger. By the time the Magi came, the family were already settled in the city. It is important that people separate their traditions from the clear reading of the text.
People seem to forget that in the ancient world travel took time. It took time for the Magi to travel from the East when they saw his star and to finally reach Jerusalem - a process that from start to finish took several months. Their first visit would naturally be to the capital to inquire on the birth of a new king. This would have been after his birth by several months. It also took time for them to find him. Herod would have waited for the Magi to find him rather than stir the people up. When Herod had found out the Magi had left without telling him, Herod was enraged. When the angel came to Joseph to warn the family to leave because of Herod, this process had taken months. Therefore, Jesus was already a small toddler when they had the visit from the Magi and then escaped to Egypt. The gifts of the Magi paid their way. Herod died when the family was in Egypt. Therefore, placing his birth in 3BCE does not fit.
Sounds like anecdotal cherry picking.
https://goodnessofgodministries.international/2011/12/22/when-was-jesus-christ-born-the-bible-says-september-11-3bc-the-day-of-the-feast-of-trumpets/
O what a day his birth would be! It had been anticipated and prophesied about for about 4000 years. How glorious it must have been when the angel of the Lord pronounced to the shepherds in the fields:
Luke 2:11-14 (NIV 1984):
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord. This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”
Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying, “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests.”
The question becomes when was the “Today” that the angel proclaimed his birth? The book of Revelation gives us critical information in determining the day of the birth of Jesus Christ and it is so amazingly accurate that we can pinpoint the birth of Jesus Christ to a specific day and even that it occurred sometime within a time frame of eighty one minutes during that day.
Revelation 12:1-5 (KJV):
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
The Greek word for “wonder” in verse 1 means “sign” and God’s Word declares that there will be a sign in the heavens when Mary went into labor and gave birth to Jesus Christ. The Word of God is written across the heavens and in the stars. The signs of the Zodiac were originally not used in astrology but each one signified a characteristic of the life and ministry and kingship of Jesus Christ, the promised Savior and Son of God. The sign of the women that the Bible is referring to here is to the constellation Virgo. Revelation 12 further states that this woman was “clothed with the sun” another celestial body. The sun, as it appears to travel through the ecliptic each year, enters into the mid-body between the neck and the knees of the constellation Virgo, clothing her with the sun for approximately a 21 day period during any given year. In the year 3 B.C. which we later show by other celestial events in the heavens to be the year of the birth of Jesus Christ, the sun was in this position from August 27th through September 15th. Revelation also declares that “the moon was under her feet.” With these two specific details, we can pinpoint the birth of Christ very precisely. In 3 B.C. the sun and the moon in Virgo occurred on only one day and that was September 11. The configuration of the sun and the moon was visible in Palestine between sunset and moonset, this twilight period being called “night” in the Bible. On September 11, 3 B.C., sunset was at 6:18pm and moonset at 7:39pm. Jesus Christ was born on September 11, 3 B.C sometime in that eighty-one minute span of time between 6:18pm and 7:39pm. Amazingly this corresponds to Tishri 1 on the Jewish Calendar which is the First day of the festival of the Feast of Trumpets. We will discuss the wonderful significance of this in a minute but I also wanted to share that was another significant astronomical display on September 11, 3 B.C.
From sunset of September 11, 3 B.C. to September 11, 3 B.C. Jupiter and Regulus could be seen approaching conjunction before dawn. Although the precise astronomical conjunction occurred on September 14, the angle of observation and Jupiter’s slow apparent motion would have made their close rendezvous obvious as early as the predawn hours of Thursday, September 12, within hours of the Messiah’s birth. At that time the king planet Jupiter could be seen approaching the king star Regulus in the constellation of Leo, the sign of Judah from whose seed the Messiah, the promised seed came.
Okay, don't answer the challenge made to your particular hypothesis. Taking it in another direction to obfuscate the challenge still does not take care of the discrepancy. What you present has nothing to do with the points I was offering for consideration.
Unfortunately, it is not as air tight as you think. There has been more than one attempt to use astronomical dating to pinpoint this event. ALL OF THEM arrive at different dating because this software is based upon dating that is flawed to begin with due to the discrepancies in ancient calendars and dating methods. I have seen just about all of them. But that is okay. We can agree to disagree. But unless a hypothesis harmonizes with the rest of the information concerning that event in a textural, historical, and cultural context, it must be held loosely - not as fact.
The important thing is that we are all believers and that is what we have in common and we should not argue about things that cannot be nailed down with any decree of certainty. It was never meant to be. If his birth was to align with a Hebrew festival date, there would be an indication of that in the text. There is none. Therefore, take what we do know for certain - his death and resurrection - and hold to that.
Correct
The actual date of the birth of Christ is irrelevant? lol
That is a ridiculous statement.
And spare me the BS about what I should be holding on to.
You obviously missed the whole point. But like I said, that is okay. Continue on.
Incorrect. You missed the point by denying a well sourced and widely held belief, directly out of hand.
Being passive aggressive isn't going to help either. Continue on.
Let's just say, for argument's sake, that this is true. That Jesus's birthday is September 11, 3 BC. And that this is the reason terrorists decided to attack us on 9/11.
What can or should we do with this information? Should we change the day we celebrate Jesus's birthday to 9/11? Or maybe celebrate on 12/25 and 9/11?
Is there anything that we can do with this information to bring down evil?
What change do you see occurring if everyone was aware of this and believed it to be true?
OK but other scholars have written that Jesus was almost certainly born in springtime...and postulate April 9, 7 B.C. as the date of birth.
The only thing that is known for sure is that the date is not and cannot be known for sure.
Aries the Ram/Lamb. Reasonable idea.
I think you have Luke 1:26 backwards. John’s birth would have been 6 months prior to Jesus’s, since in the announcement to Mary we’re told that Elizabeth was already 6 months along. Fortunately that doesn’t really change the month estimate, it just shifts things by a year in total.
you realize this entire submission is a quote from a sourced article, right?
Sorry, the article got it backwards. I thought it was fair given how strongly you’ve been defending it in these comments.
I feel like this topic is one that will lead nowhere good other than to divide. If we are to love the Lord our God with all of our heart, soul, mind, and strength…then it doesn’t really matter. If we are commanded as Christians to glorify God and give him thanks DAILY, then common sense dictates that it doesn’t matter when we celebrate the birth of Christ (as long as we celebrate it). This goes for the whole seventh day Adventist debates as well. It just seems like a waste of time, especially for mature christian anons (I realize that not all anons are Christians, but my response is for those who are).
That's all well and good but I'm about destroying the Satanic Cabal and shattering their thousands of years of LIES.
Holding the Synagogue of Satan responsible for 911 and hanging the traitors.
This is far more than bickering over a date.
As we all are, but we didn’t need the debate over the birth of Christ to do so. Whether Jesus Christ was born in September or December, the Cabal needs to go…I’m just not following the logic here. 🤔😅
not surprised
My point has been proven. Nothing good will come from this. I won’t be responding anymore. Good day sir. 😎
lol it is??
I really thought you were an aware anon and this should not be the first time you're reading it... no offense, but it's been around for a century, or more.
Maybe you should look into it. Explains a lot.
Look into 911 as a ritual and sacrificial event for the Satanic Cabal. The symbolism of the two towers destroyed and replaced by a single obelisk, representing the cult of Osiris, and the merging of male and female.
What do you think Q means when he says 'Their symbolism will be their downfall'?
Calling this widely held theory 'one of the dumbest things' you have ever read is not offensive. It just shows how much you don't know or are unwilling to consider.
touchy !!
Maybe next time re-think commenting, especially when I neatly attempted to enlighten you, despite your thinly veiled insult, which you just doubled down on.
sad but funny
I really don't know how people can accurately pinpoint such a date.
Whenever I see things like this, the people doing the calculations rarely take into account that the calendar system we use today, the Gregorian, has only been in use since the 1500s. And different countries have used various versions of their own calendars all these years as well. It's all really a big mess. So it is nice to see that the people mentioned here are aware of the different calendars, since they bring up the Julian calendar and the issues surrounding the different number of days in the year.
I'll give the links a look when I get a chance, but this really strikes me as people starting with a date they want it to be (9/11) and working backward from there. I think that just leaves a lot of room for people to fudge a little info or favor one result over another that allows the dates to match up.
But what do I know, really? Not much.
It's like trying to pinpoint a date of an event in your own personal history but have no reliable landmarks. Pretty much impossible to say with 100% accuracy
Studying astronomical timelines, it is quite easy to know where the stars were in 3bc and compare it with scriptures.
Feast of Trumpets
you will know much more if you look deeper
Perhaps. Which is why I plan to look at those links when I get a chance to focus on them.
Excellent!! I wholeheartedly agree with the birthdate of our Savior Jesus Christ. Another "way" to arrive at the year of birth is to follow the dates of the decree from Luke 2:1.
I have to get ready for work but will add to this tonight. Spoiler alert: the purpose was in preparation for Caesar Augustus' Silver Jubilee (25th anniversary) which would be presented to him 2 BC.
Why do you get so upset when people show skepticism towards the posts you make here?
I've noticed that this is a common thing with you. It's like you just want people to agree with you, and that's it. No discussion or anything. On a discussion board.
Do you not really see the issue in expecting a group of people who share a common directive of "Question Everything" to just believe whatever it is you post? Or if they don't share your beliefs, to just quietly refrain from commenting?
You post to a group of skeptics and get angry if they show skepticism on what you post. Why?
Or am I mistaken as to what Q said?
Was it "Question everything"?
Or "Question everything except what is posted on GAW"?
Or even "Question everything except what Oh_Well_ian posts"?
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These posts always crack me up; folks arguing over religeous details that are irrelevant- all trying to "out-righteous" one another. All that matters is that Jesus was born into the world, lived a sinless life, died in our place and defeated death and rose again. Nit-picky bullshit is exactly that; pinpoint accurate dates really aren't that important.
absurd...
Satanic Cabal runs the world and 9/11 was their initial salvo to take down the United States, founded on God Given Rights.
It matters. It matters a lot.
People like you that act as gatekeepers crack me up.
good post fern but just because i am a smart ass maybe God will tell Julie Green .."hey girl my kids bday is ........ You got it all wrong..........."that would be much easier..
Jehovas Wittnesses believe this. That's why they don't celebrate Christmas.
Then why don't they celebrate September 11 (as his birthday)? I don't think it has anything to do with the date.
Yup. It's not the specific date.
believe it? I think you mean they 'know it'
Yes. They know it.
I must say, this op is very entertaining!
https://greatawakening.win/u/Oh_Well_ian/?type=post&sort=top
Yehoshua.
The secret to the time Jesus was born revolves around the Priest Zacharias, Elisabeth's husband. He was serving his term at the Temple when Ganbriel gave him the news about Elisabeth conceiving a son. The exact day is not known but the time Zacharias served is documented as the time of Abia which was the 8th course of the priesthood. Each course was 2 weeks and began on the first day of the year Nisan 1. Fifteen weeks later, Zacharias would go to the Temple to serve 2 weeks. When Mary went to Elisabeth to tell her what Gabriel told her, Elisabeth's child jumped for joy and she was in her 6th month. Nisan 1 would have been around what we call March 15 give or take a week so this would mean that Zacharias' term would have been somewhere between July 1 and July 15. Six months later, around January 15, Mary shows up and Elisabeth is in her 6th month meaning John was born around April 1 to April 15. Now Mary became pregnant in January meaning Jesus was born in September. I hope this helps.
Thank you so much for posting this. It breaks my heart that we can't celebrate on 9-11 like we should. This should be stickied so that anons can see this truth and together maybe some day, we can celebrate our saviours birth properly.
Don't be broken-hearted over this anon, it's far from gospel truth. I've never heard the 9/11 birthdate theory before; most scholars think he was born in springtime.
Life's too short to have a broken heart over unprovable conjecture :)
Most do not think that. In fact check September 11th for his birthday and you'll get hundreds of thousands of hits. You can't be an authority on something when you freely admit you know nothing about it.
Did any of these sources claim that Jesus's birthday was September 11 prior to 2001?
If scholars/researchers had concluded on that date before 9/11/2001, then that would indeed have been extraordinary.
But I've spent the last couple of hours scanning through hundreds of these claims and they all have come far after 2001.
Again, there are problems involved when someone starts with the date they want, and work backward from there.
I'll keep looking, but if anyone has information showing this date was reached before 2001, please share it.
I didn't downvote, but "what most think" would matter if birthdates from thousands of years ago could be reliably determined by majority vote; I never claimed to be an "authority" on this or anything else; and I freely admit no one actually KNOWS the date of Jesus's birth, even the so-called experts. You want to believe it's 9/11, that's fine.
Have a good one
you're the original source of that comment, pal.. you said 'most think' as a rebuttal to the point in the OP
lol wow...
Where are you that you can't celebrate Jesus on 9-11? North Korea? China? Canada?
Fig Tree Ministries Not Dec 25
Scott Broberg of Fig Tree Ministries is a wealth of information about the culture, history, and geography of Israel that gives background to the Scriptures. I especially like his series on The Sea of Galilee The Sea of Galilee
Ernest Martin books are here: ASK
Perhaps they are still stuck because they are too lazy to study. Seems like Satanists are NOT so lazy but some of these folks here are. I guess it just goes to show you because they missed his second coming right in front of their noses, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile. Ever wonder why DJT says he thought he would make a great king. Get ready for the BIG REVEAL Oh_Well_ian. Did you miss this one Oh_Well_ian
True that we really don't know the correct date when Jesus was born, but Christmas is celebrated on December 25, not December 23.
Thank you, That was a typo on the original copy pasta
Nobody knows the date . Nobody can be used to verify it. Move on. Anons are about actual factual sauce. Which this isnt. Faux sauce proves nothing. Black eye to the community efforts
Lots of evidence it was early April.
where?
It is highly likely Jesus was born in the fall not winter. December 25 is a high holy day for Satanist. Knowing exactly when Jesus was born is not important in our salvation but it, like believing the 1st chapter of Genesis, shapes our world view.
Since this is the Q subverse it is important. The birth of Jesus being September 11th and not December 25th is the foundation of their satanic control.
The truth will be known.
The Orthodox Church takes the Feast of the Assumption on March 25, as the day of the conception of Jesus. That would make December 25th his birthday. I'm fine with this.
Feast of the Assumption is not in the Bible and is not a Jewish feast day.
Great research. Appreciated.