It's all about who can deliver the best deal for them, not who actually cares enough to do a good job. And I don't think Jordan is able to broker any deals with anyone around D.C. And Gaetz is only around to be the voice of opposition, not to actually do anything to better the U.S. Also, Jordan isn't liked by the Dems at all. Scalise is. Jordan wouldn't have garnerd too many Yay votes for Speaker.
Which is why I firmly believe the whole rotted and festering temple needs to be brought down upon their heads.
Idk what that's about.. quite disappointing. Hope it's just a facade to buy some dems vote. I can't figure anything out anymore. Everyone seems flawed in one way or another.
Another classic shit sandwich vs giant douche scenario.
Their strings are both pulled by the same people.
There is no fixing the system from within the system.
President Trump was praising Gaetz for doing a fantastic job yesterday during his speech. If Trump supports him, I support him and therefore there has to be a reason for his vote...
I similarly understand that there is a different and legitimate argument to be made, but I disagree because -
IMO Gaetz is emblematic of what is wrong in our government. Politics is a team sport - he is all about himself. He doesn't like centralized power unless it is centralized in him.
Not sure but believe it was Daniel Webster who described politics as the art of compromise. I look at our history and fully understand that it has been libertarian conservatives who have consistently compromised over the last 100 years, and I don't like it. And I believe that we have long since lost the ideal of the citizen servant legislator. With the professional legislative class, the people have (at best) as very limited voice. But the divisiveness - this exists on both sides ("Squad", Progressive Caucus, Mad Max and her ilk from the other side) - that comes from hyperbolic absolutism is killing us. Gaetz is part of that absolutist class.
Depending on your assessment of when this mess started - Roosevelt, Wilson, Lincoln - it has taken us 100 to 160 years to get here. We will not, and I believe we cannot and should not, turn this around in one Presidential term or with the work of one person. It will take several generations to wean the American people and the world off of the USG gravy train. That means that the same incrementalism that got us here will be what gets us out. It need not take 160 years, but cannot be overly abrupt without risk to the social fabric. Gaetz and his ilk are not part of that resolution.
Thank you for your thorough response. I agree with many of your points and see real value in them.
Personally, the way I see things today is almost unrecognizable to how I used to see them. One basic, but meteoric paradigm shift is how I view our party system.
I used to believe we had two major parties. I used to believe that while the two parties had their differences, by working together we could find common ground and that location in the middle would serve the majority of citizens the best. I used to believe I had to pick a side, the one I mostly identified with, and then go out and vote for that party to get the job done.
I don't believe any of those things anymore. I do not believe we have a two-party system of R's vs D's. We have a two-party system, but it is US vs Them.
My definition of "Them" is (s)elected politicians who are bought and paid for by the globalists, lobbyists, cabalists, uni-party apparatchiks. I put the s in parentheses because I no longer believe we even have free and fair elections where the citizens decide who is elected based on majority vote. We don't. Every single person with a brain knows we have widespread, massive voting fraud in our country.
How many republican (RINO) controlled state houses in battleground states pursued investigating the election fraud of 2020? None to the end. I can think of WI hiring a former State Supreme Court Justice, Michael Gableman, to investigate the voter fraud, but when he found it and planned to release his report on it, the republican speaker of the the assembly, Robin Vos, fired Gableman to quash the report.
This type of behavior occured in all of the battleground states, especially Georgia, Michigan, and Arizona.
The uni-party combination of Democrats and Republicans In Name Only runs the election selections, not the little lowly people who vote. That is not how it is supposed to be.
Anyone proclaiming that the Dems and Republicans need to work together, has missed the point that they already are. They are working hand in glove to control our elections, control our country, and for everyone paying attention, control our demise as the leading nation of the world.
The Dems and Rinos are "working together" on the following:
Millions of invaders are crossing our border.
Billions of US tax payer dollars are being sent over seas to Ukraine, and next Israel.
This is in fact a giant DC money laundering operation.
Billions of dollars of military equipment is being left behind or sent all over the world, arming our enemies, to ensure much more brutal future conflcts.
Medical tyranny is running rampant and murdering millions of people.
Food supplies are being destroyed, gas supplies cut off, and inflation spiking forward.
The US Dollar is being destroyed.
Our school systems no longer teach, but rather focus on pure cultural indoctrination of marxist, communist programming.
I really could go on and on. This is what we are getting from the "two parties" working together.
If you think Matt Gaetz is the problem, then I think it's time to consider a new paradigm.
Here is an oldie but a goodie. It played a role in my seeing reality with new eyes.
I wish I could offer a credible argument to disagree about our environment, but I can't.
As a military brat and retired Army officer, I was raised on Horatio Alger/Norman Rockwell values and images of America and have been truly cut to the core with the decline of our once great country. Perhaps I was sheltered and America never was that way, but lost dreams are always painful. And so, although not a strident Trumpist, I am MAGA.
I infer from your argument that we could agree that the fault does not lie with one party.
Economically, I believe the decline began with Lincoln but recognize others may reasonably choose another start point. We really set the stage for our current big government dependency under the socialist and populist influences of Roosevelt and Huey Long.
Socially, I believe the decline began with Dewey's education reforms that changed education from providing what some have termed "the furniture of the mind" intended to equip an informed citizenry to an assembly line process designed to produce industrial workers.
Politically, I believe the decline, and the energy that amplified and built (or destroyed as you may describe it) on the others, was the advancement of the Frankfort School, integrating socialist/communists into our intellectual environment. Socialism and identity division are destroying us. In my observation, we used to recite the Pledge and really aspire to be One Nation. We no longer even pretend to that aspiration. That identity separation and segregation stem from the Marxist philosophies.
Finally I will say that as a (somewhat fundamentalist) Christian, I abhor the decline of moral values. We were founded on Greco-Roman and Judeo-Christian values. As we have thrown those away, those we have lost our national soul.
The weight of all this has pushed us down the slippery slope of ruination. This has happened over a long time, under leadership from both parties. The one place I might modify your view of the political landscape is to say that I believe there are three political parties - hard left, hard right and confused middle trying to hang on. The hard left and right can - usually don't, but can - play a long game. The middle is constrained to a short term focus just to survive and consequently, if they are even paying attention, get tossed to and fro.
So where does that lead me wrt Gaetz? Bomb throwers like him - and again, the left has their own set - do nothing to unite us. Self servedness and preening for a camera shot and sound bite do nothing to advance any agenda but his own. Please do not mistake this as a call to capitulate - strong conservative leaders are necessary to attack each of the pillars of our destruction and reclaim our country. But conservatism in the service of our people requires accomplishments, positive movement. Gaetz has never been on that side of the ledger. A petulant child demanding immediate gratification is merely distracting the adults in the room - if there are any.
...I believe there are three political parties - hard left, hard right and confused middle trying to hang on. The hard left and right can - usually don't, but can - play a long game.
This is just my humble opinion...
The dichotomy that the media and the cabal want us to believe is that we have a two party system and we must choose a side.
The "two party" system has been around since our nation's Founding. Thomas Jefferson felt the party system would lead to the death of our nation. When Alexander Hamilton created a party to gain influence and a coalition to establish the central banking system, Jefferson realized the only way he could stop him, or at least counter Hamilton, was to create a party of his own.
So here we have a Founding Father adamantly against political parties, creating a political party out of necessity. So the party system was both warned against and embraced since the beginning. Different parties have come and gone. We have mostly had a two party system. Third parties have been tried, "Bull Moose," and mostly failed to win majorities and performed as spoilers to one of the two leading parties more often than not.
Since the Civil War we have had two main factions battling for control back and forth. Whenever third parties are brought up they are quickly cast aside for the reasons above. It's very difficult to beat the two parties because when it comes down to the very survival of the two parties, they will work together to remove any threats.
For example, had Trump run as a 3rd Party candidate in 2016, the RNC and DNC would have coalesced to defeat his 3rd party and remove the "cancer" from their dual system.
Wisely, Trump chose to run as a member of the RNC and take the party over from within. Politically, Trump is middle of the spectrum, pragmatic, and focused on all American's first, before serving other nations.
Somewhere between WWII and the 1990s America's largest companies grew well beyond the nation's borders. These Fortune 500 type companies became global companies and their corporate interests became equally aligned to globalism instead of nationalism.
Large multibillion dollar companies have always used money to gain power and influence. As the companies' interests became more global, so too has their influence and interest in directing politicians towards a global view rather than a national view.
Nationalism is the opposite of globalism, and with Trillions at stake for the globalists, they will do whatever is necessary to defeat nationalism. Members of both political parties are bought and paid for. The vast majority are. This is why I feel it is important that Gaetz does not take globalist lobbyist money. That takes guts. It takes great enthusiasm because you have to raise every dollar on your own without receiving checks from influence peddlers.
If I were to take a wild guess, yes just a guess, I would say 90% of politicians are bought and paid for with globalist lobbyist money. Could be less, likely more.
The media and globalist cabal want Americans to think we have two parties for a few reasons.
You can always blame "the other side" when things go wrong.
If you just turn out the vote, you can win. Your vote matters! We are a 50/50 country and turn out wins elections.
The media can fan the flames of extremism and create fear and anger in the population by always referring to the "far right" and "far left" as examples of the whole party on each side. You see this in nearly every article written. For example, most reporters would write something like this:
Far-right, extremist, bomb thrower Matt Gaetz destroyed common sense and moderate negotiations by exterminating Kevin McCarthy as Speaker of the House."
The media uses inflammatory language like this because it works to agitate the population and create intense anger and frustration. That's what they want. And the media does it over and over, day after day.
Here is what could have been written:
Matt Gaetz, a Republican from Florida, called to Vacate the speaker of the house chair after Kevin McCarthy repeatedly refused to keep his word on promises made to win the speaker role after 15 attempts earlier this year.
The reason the media and global cabal want everyone focused on the two party system is simple in my opinion. They want two sides to fight against each other. The reason they want this is that it keeps the wrath of the people focused on each other instead of DC.
If enough people in our country realize, it's not the other side that is the problem, but it is DC that is the problem, that is when the house of cards falls down.
I believe the largest party in our nation is right in the middle. I believe extremists on both sides are the minorities. There will always be the clueless sheeple bleeting around. But when it comes to parties, I believe the largest party is in the middle.
This party believes in our constitution. We believe in the rule of law. We believe in freedom and the pursuit of happiness. We believe in an honest days work and merit pay. We believe we can rise as high as we want with the freedoms we are born with. We believe God loves us and his providence will save our nation.
When the Founders came out of the Constitutional Convention and Benjamin Franklin was asked, "What do we have?
Franklin replied,
A Republic, if you can keep it.
Every generation since Franklin said that has been asked to keep our republic. We've been through civil war, depressions, crisis after crisis and each generation has risen to the occasion.
Idk these people personally so I will restrain from judging but seems to me as if a few white hat actors are causing a circus and distraction for a greater good.
It's all about who can deliver the best deal for them, not who actually cares enough to do a good job. And I don't think Jordan is able to broker any deals with anyone around D.C. And Gaetz is only around to be the voice of opposition, not to actually do anything to better the U.S. Also, Jordan isn't liked by the Dems at all. Scalise is. Jordan wouldn't have garnerd too many Yay votes for Speaker.
Which is why I firmly believe the whole rotted and festering temple needs to be brought down upon their heads.
Biblical
Law Abiding Citizen, nice
https://youtu.be/YJnQnD9EXnw
...and yet the first words out of Jordan's mouth as he campaigns for Speaker was, essentially, my first duty as Speaker is to support Israel.
Yep
Idk what that's about.. quite disappointing. Hope it's just a facade to buy some dems vote. I can't figure anything out anymore. Everyone seems flawed in one way or another.
doesnt really matter they are all crooks
No friggin kidding , comment of the day !
Another classic shit sandwich vs giant douche scenario. Their strings are both pulled by the same people. There is no fixing the system from within the system.
President Trump was praising Gaetz for doing a fantastic job yesterday during his speech. If Trump supports him, I support him and therefore there has to be a reason for his vote...
I agree 808. But everything he does or states is also calculated and for a reason..
Why has nobody suggested Bobert, strapped and packing with a 6 shooter for a gavel?
Is this new?
Gaetz is not MAGA, he's MMGGA (Make Matt Gaetz Great Again)
Gaetz is only and all about himself....he is a power whore. Scalise will be easier for him to manipulate than Jordan would be.
I respect your opinion and couldn't disagree more.
From what I understand, Gaetz is supported by small dollar donors and not lobbyists.
Also, it appears to me that Gaetz actually did what he said he would do, unlike McCarthy.
When McCarthy went back to his uniparty ways, Gaetz called him out on it.
McCarthy said bring it on.
Gaetz brought it.
I will always applaud the members of congress that do what they say they will do.
Thank you for your courtesy
I similarly understand that there is a different and legitimate argument to be made, but I disagree because -
IMO Gaetz is emblematic of what is wrong in our government. Politics is a team sport - he is all about himself. He doesn't like centralized power unless it is centralized in him.
Not sure but believe it was Daniel Webster who described politics as the art of compromise. I look at our history and fully understand that it has been libertarian conservatives who have consistently compromised over the last 100 years, and I don't like it. And I believe that we have long since lost the ideal of the citizen servant legislator. With the professional legislative class, the people have (at best) as very limited voice. But the divisiveness - this exists on both sides ("Squad", Progressive Caucus, Mad Max and her ilk from the other side) - that comes from hyperbolic absolutism is killing us. Gaetz is part of that absolutist class.
Depending on your assessment of when this mess started - Roosevelt, Wilson, Lincoln - it has taken us 100 to 160 years to get here. We will not, and I believe we cannot and should not, turn this around in one Presidential term or with the work of one person. It will take several generations to wean the American people and the world off of the USG gravy train. That means that the same incrementalism that got us here will be what gets us out. It need not take 160 years, but cannot be overly abrupt without risk to the social fabric. Gaetz and his ilk are not part of that resolution.
Thanks for the opportunity for dialog!
Thank you for your thorough response. I agree with many of your points and see real value in them.
Personally, the way I see things today is almost unrecognizable to how I used to see them. One basic, but meteoric paradigm shift is how I view our party system.
I used to believe we had two major parties. I used to believe that while the two parties had their differences, by working together we could find common ground and that location in the middle would serve the majority of citizens the best. I used to believe I had to pick a side, the one I mostly identified with, and then go out and vote for that party to get the job done.
I don't believe any of those things anymore. I do not believe we have a two-party system of R's vs D's. We have a two-party system, but it is US vs Them.
My definition of "Them" is (s)elected politicians who are bought and paid for by the globalists, lobbyists, cabalists, uni-party apparatchiks. I put the s in parentheses because I no longer believe we even have free and fair elections where the citizens decide who is elected based on majority vote. We don't. Every single person with a brain knows we have widespread, massive voting fraud in our country.
How many republican (RINO) controlled state houses in battleground states pursued investigating the election fraud of 2020? None to the end. I can think of WI hiring a former State Supreme Court Justice, Michael Gableman, to investigate the voter fraud, but when he found it and planned to release his report on it, the republican speaker of the the assembly, Robin Vos, fired Gableman to quash the report.
This type of behavior occured in all of the battleground states, especially Georgia, Michigan, and Arizona.
The uni-party combination of Democrats and Republicans In Name Only runs the election selections, not the little lowly people who vote. That is not how it is supposed to be.
Anyone proclaiming that the Dems and Republicans need to work together, has missed the point that they already are. They are working hand in glove to control our elections, control our country, and for everyone paying attention, control our demise as the leading nation of the world.
The Dems and Rinos are "working together" on the following:
I really could go on and on. This is what we are getting from the "two parties" working together.
If you think Matt Gaetz is the problem, then I think it's time to consider a new paradigm.
Here is an oldie but a goodie. It played a role in my seeing reality with new eyes.
The Big Club, You Ain't In It!
I wish I could offer a credible argument to disagree about our environment, but I can't.
As a military brat and retired Army officer, I was raised on Horatio Alger/Norman Rockwell values and images of America and have been truly cut to the core with the decline of our once great country. Perhaps I was sheltered and America never was that way, but lost dreams are always painful. And so, although not a strident Trumpist, I am MAGA.
I infer from your argument that we could agree that the fault does not lie with one party.
The weight of all this has pushed us down the slippery slope of ruination. This has happened over a long time, under leadership from both parties. The one place I might modify your view of the political landscape is to say that I believe there are three political parties - hard left, hard right and confused middle trying to hang on. The hard left and right can - usually don't, but can - play a long game. The middle is constrained to a short term focus just to survive and consequently, if they are even paying attention, get tossed to and fro.
So where does that lead me wrt Gaetz? Bomb throwers like him - and again, the left has their own set - do nothing to unite us. Self servedness and preening for a camera shot and sound bite do nothing to advance any agenda but his own. Please do not mistake this as a call to capitulate - strong conservative leaders are necessary to attack each of the pillars of our destruction and reclaim our country. But conservatism in the service of our people requires accomplishments, positive movement. Gaetz has never been on that side of the ledger. A petulant child demanding immediate gratification is merely distracting the adults in the room - if there are any.
Look forward to any thoughts you might have.
This is just my humble opinion...
The dichotomy that the media and the cabal want us to believe is that we have a two party system and we must choose a side.
The "two party" system has been around since our nation's Founding. Thomas Jefferson felt the party system would lead to the death of our nation. When Alexander Hamilton created a party to gain influence and a coalition to establish the central banking system, Jefferson realized the only way he could stop him, or at least counter Hamilton, was to create a party of his own.
So here we have a Founding Father adamantly against political parties, creating a political party out of necessity. So the party system was both warned against and embraced since the beginning. Different parties have come and gone. We have mostly had a two party system. Third parties have been tried, "Bull Moose," and mostly failed to win majorities and performed as spoilers to one of the two leading parties more often than not.
Since the Civil War we have had two main factions battling for control back and forth. Whenever third parties are brought up they are quickly cast aside for the reasons above. It's very difficult to beat the two parties because when it comes down to the very survival of the two parties, they will work together to remove any threats.
For example, had Trump run as a 3rd Party candidate in 2016, the RNC and DNC would have coalesced to defeat his 3rd party and remove the "cancer" from their dual system.
Wisely, Trump chose to run as a member of the RNC and take the party over from within. Politically, Trump is middle of the spectrum, pragmatic, and focused on all American's first, before serving other nations.
Somewhere between WWII and the 1990s America's largest companies grew well beyond the nation's borders. These Fortune 500 type companies became global companies and their corporate interests became equally aligned to globalism instead of nationalism.
Large multibillion dollar companies have always used money to gain power and influence. As the companies' interests became more global, so too has their influence and interest in directing politicians towards a global view rather than a national view.
Nationalism is the opposite of globalism, and with Trillions at stake for the globalists, they will do whatever is necessary to defeat nationalism. Members of both political parties are bought and paid for. The vast majority are. This is why I feel it is important that Gaetz does not take globalist lobbyist money. That takes guts. It takes great enthusiasm because you have to raise every dollar on your own without receiving checks from influence peddlers.
If I were to take a wild guess, yes just a guess, I would say 90% of politicians are bought and paid for with globalist lobbyist money. Could be less, likely more.
The media and globalist cabal want Americans to think we have two parties for a few reasons.
The media uses inflammatory language like this because it works to agitate the population and create intense anger and frustration. That's what they want. And the media does it over and over, day after day.
Here is what could have been written:
The reason the media and global cabal want everyone focused on the two party system is simple in my opinion. They want two sides to fight against each other. The reason they want this is that it keeps the wrath of the people focused on each other instead of DC.
If enough people in our country realize, it's not the other side that is the problem, but it is DC that is the problem, that is when the house of cards falls down.
I believe the largest party in our nation is right in the middle. I believe extremists on both sides are the minorities. There will always be the clueless sheeple bleeting around. But when it comes to parties, I believe the largest party is in the middle.
This party believes in our constitution. We believe in the rule of law. We believe in freedom and the pursuit of happiness. We believe in an honest days work and merit pay. We believe we can rise as high as we want with the freedoms we are born with. We believe God loves us and his providence will save our nation.
When the Founders came out of the Constitutional Convention and Benjamin Franklin was asked, "What do we have?
Franklin replied,
Every generation since Franklin said that has been asked to keep our republic. We've been through civil war, depressions, crisis after crisis and each generation has risen to the occasion.
We are being asked this same question right now.
Can we keep it?
I will give my life to do so.
Idk these people personally so I will restrain from judging but seems to me as if a few white hat actors are causing a circus and distraction for a greater good.
Funny you bitch when they talk and do nothing and you bitch when they do what theu say and call them power whore.
Some people on here will never be pleased.
Anyone not looking out for #1 is dumb.