Has there ever truly been a "Christian civilization?" I would question that very premise, because we know that satan is the god of this world and that he roams around like a prowling lion, seeking whom he can devour. Between people's own innate sin nature and the continual interference from the bad guy and his minions, it's a constant fight. So yeah, people are sinners and some people really, really like to sin. Thankfully, some will eventually seek God and when they do, they will find Him.
Christian civilization was whittled away by a constant perpetual stream of targeted psyops through the media machine, dreamed up by the psychos at the Tavistock Institute and other such organisations, under the auspices of whatever inbred Luciferian Masonic sect may be "ruling the roost" every so often.
The branch cults that formed at every disagreement, dropping centuries of theology and scholarship, faith and miracles, in favor of heresy, didn't help much
Personally, I can't find a church that isn't full of clicks. I worked full time, drove over 110 miles one way to work and was raising three kids. I didn't have time to volunteer or put up with the abnormal behavior I saw in multiple churches. All people thought they had all the answers.
Not at all. Satan gave rise to the first truly secular civilization in world history. Satan gave rise to communism, Nazism and all the other isms. Satan is the one and only enemy of the world, as he hates humans. Anything that can contribute to our demise is in his wheelhouse.
I dunno if this has not been achieved before since you connect secular to civilization, thereby indicating that the first has something to do with the other. I do not think so.
Civilization as a term was used to indicate the operation of law to make something civil and away from criminal. It came to mean in later periods an antonym to barbarity. So, basically: with or without the binds of law. And here is another thing to consider: barbarity is basically not shaved: the state of beard wearing. Actually, when you go to a shop to have a shave or a haircut, the person helping you with that is called a barber!
Confused much? That's your vocabulary for you.
So, to expound on the sentence: "Christendom gave rise to one of the first truly secular civilizations" you are saying: Christendom gave rise to an age where the wearing of beards was not deemed criminal by law?
Well, there are some examples. In the Frysian Law it reads that wearing long hair and a beard was something of a personal choice: a freedom. So, thanks to Pepin, the Frank.
Looking at it from the top line: Why did Christian Civilization die? it presupposes it is dead. I disagree. You only have to go to Syria, Russia, or other places to see it is not.
More specifically, why did it die in the West? I guess, for the same reason other societies with their own professed world view died. Brute force, mass forced conversions, it is quite simple. Actually, in Western countries we see Islamization. A friend of mine told me the other day, his daughter became a muslima.
One of the key issues in Western Civilization is "Unam Santam"/ "Romanus Pontifex". This did not come about in a vacuum. The real reason behind this Papal Declaration was the need for financing the Papal States.
The bottle neck was how to get around the usury inhibition? Well, the Church and the Toscan merchants (bankers) came up with an ingenious solution: Provide a loan with interest where the principal never would be paid back and the future income of the church would be collateral.
This paved the way for exorbitant lifestyles of the Church Princes and sale of Indulgences. This then made Vatican Banking profitable and in turn was a huge impulse for worldly Princes and Kings to do the same, making taxes mandatory.
So, here, you see the death nail, a coupe the grace, to virtue and therefor the most basic of the Christian principles: personal accountability in the sight of God. In it's place came the structure, enforced by financing needs.
Although the reformation has responded harshly to this method, it was irreversible, as especially the protestants allowed this system to fester in their own countries. Heck, the Dutch were the first to reap the rewards, and later the Anglican English.
However, traditionally: it was not done to make a slave out of your fellow even IF he owed you, as the duty to preserve freedom for all individual members of the community was of a higher order, as was the duty to help your fellow to preserve it for him self.
And this is the fundamental threshold where wants, interests, and lust become destructive.
Matthew 16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
I don't know about Christian Civilization, but Christ's church is going to be okay.
Apostasy set the stage for men to be the arbiters of faith. The church became a man made organization that sought the honor of other men.
Unfortunately it's always been that way hasn't it?
All throughout the bible great faith is always followed by intense iniquity...
Has there ever truly been a "Christian civilization?" I would question that very premise, because we know that satan is the god of this world and that he roams around like a prowling lion, seeking whom he can devour. Between people's own innate sin nature and the continual interference from the bad guy and his minions, it's a constant fight. So yeah, people are sinners and some people really, really like to sin. Thankfully, some will eventually seek God and when they do, they will find Him.
I believe Christianity is about to explode world wide. All this evil, and satanic stuff these days, the pendulum is swinging back to good.
Christian civilization was whittled away by a constant perpetual stream of targeted psyops through the media machine, dreamed up by the psychos at the Tavistock Institute and other such organisations, under the auspices of whatever inbred Luciferian Masonic sect may be "ruling the roost" every so often.
The branch cults that formed at every disagreement, dropping centuries of theology and scholarship, faith and miracles, in favor of heresy, didn't help much
Because Satan is the prince of the earth
Remember Meathead was athiest...proudly
the Bible doesn't forbid astrology because its fake. the times we are in now were foretold in many ways, including in the precession of the equinox.
there is clearly a certain story being played out here. a story of dark to light
Because we're told to love our neighbor and we accepted that love was tolerance. It's not.
Because the history books were altered
It didn't give rise to this, it was subverted and corrupted into it.
Semantics
Personally, I can't find a church that isn't full of clicks. I worked full time, drove over 110 miles one way to work and was raising three kids. I didn't have time to volunteer or put up with the abnormal behavior I saw in multiple churches. All people thought they had all the answers.
Not at all. Satan gave rise to the first truly secular civilization in world history. Satan gave rise to communism, Nazism and all the other isms. Satan is the one and only enemy of the world, as he hates humans. Anything that can contribute to our demise is in his wheelhouse.
Muh devil
What do you mean by secular?
There are three options.
I dunno if this has not been achieved before since you connect secular to civilization, thereby indicating that the first has something to do with the other. I do not think so.
Civilization as a term was used to indicate the operation of law to make something civil and away from criminal. It came to mean in later periods an antonym to barbarity. So, basically: with or without the binds of law. And here is another thing to consider: barbarity is basically not shaved: the state of beard wearing. Actually, when you go to a shop to have a shave or a haircut, the person helping you with that is called a barber!
Confused much? That's your vocabulary for you.
So, to expound on the sentence: "Christendom gave rise to one of the first truly secular civilizations" you are saying: Christendom gave rise to an age where the wearing of beards was not deemed criminal by law?
Well, there are some examples. In the Frysian Law it reads that wearing long hair and a beard was something of a personal choice: a freedom. So, thanks to Pepin, the Frank.
Looking at it from the top line: Why did Christian Civilization die? it presupposes it is dead. I disagree. You only have to go to Syria, Russia, or other places to see it is not.
More specifically, why did it die in the West? I guess, for the same reason other societies with their own professed world view died. Brute force, mass forced conversions, it is quite simple. Actually, in Western countries we see Islamization. A friend of mine told me the other day, his daughter became a muslima.
One of the key issues in Western Civilization is "Unam Santam"/ "Romanus Pontifex". This did not come about in a vacuum. The real reason behind this Papal Declaration was the need for financing the Papal States.
The bottle neck was how to get around the usury inhibition? Well, the Church and the Toscan merchants (bankers) came up with an ingenious solution: Provide a loan with interest where the principal never would be paid back and the future income of the church would be collateral.
This paved the way for exorbitant lifestyles of the Church Princes and sale of Indulgences. This then made Vatican Banking profitable and in turn was a huge impulse for worldly Princes and Kings to do the same, making taxes mandatory.
So, here, you see the death nail, a coupe the grace, to virtue and therefor the most basic of the Christian principles: personal accountability in the sight of God. In it's place came the structure, enforced by financing needs.
Although the reformation has responded harshly to this method, it was irreversible, as especially the protestants allowed this system to fester in their own countries. Heck, the Dutch were the first to reap the rewards, and later the Anglican English.
However, traditionally: it was not done to make a slave out of your fellow even IF he owed you, as the duty to preserve freedom for all individual members of the community was of a higher order, as was the duty to help your fellow to preserve it for him self.
And this is the fundamental threshold where wants, interests, and lust become destructive.