As cannabis is neither lethal nor physically addictive, it needs to be completely taken off the schedule and legalized, not on "Schedule 3" where federal police (which are provided for nowhere in the Constitution, by the way) can still lock you in a cage for years, merely for possessing the plant.
Meanwhile, anyone can walk into a liquor store and buy enough booze to kill themself within the hour if they choose to chug it - free choice for free adults in a free society. (This is a good thing; let them "weed" themselves out :)
It’s fine to take it off the schedule, but it’s not fine to stop enforcing DUI for people that are high.
I know of multiple fatal crashes because people thought they were fine to drive high as a kite.
And I don’t think it’s okay to be vaping and smoking marijuana around schools and public places just like cigarettes. St. Louis smells like a Bob Marley concert at all times now, and it’s annoying when you’re just trying to go about your day.
Yes but DUI fatalities drop by about 25% when states legalize cannabis.
Fully legal, non-scheduled ethanol is a far worse alcohol problem than THC is.
Drivers under the influence of THC actually tend to drive 5-10 mph SLOWER than usual...almost everyone has experienced this phenomenon, it's a running joke. I've never personally heard of anyone being in an accident due to THC but I've had two close friends die while driving drunk.
But we agree, both options should be off the schedule and up to free adults to decide what to put inside their body.
DUI fatalities drop by about 25% when states legalize cannabis.
Can you post a link to a study that supports that claim? Meanwhile, I found a study that directly contradicts the statement you made.
Since recreational marijuana was legalized, marijuana related traffic deaths
increased 151 percent while all Colorado traffic deaths increased 35 percent.
Since recreational marijuana was legalized, traffic deaths involving drivers who
tested positive for marijuana more than doubled from 55 in 2013 to 138 people
killed in 2017.
This equates to one person killed every 2 ½ days compared to one person
killed every 6 ½ days.
The percentage of all Colorado traffic deaths that were marijuana related
increased from 11.43 percent in 2013 to 21.3 percent in 2017.
Since recreational marijuana was legalized, traffic deaths involving drivers who tested positive for marijuana more than doubled
If the number of drivers consuming cannabis goes up 100% (because it's suddenly legal) then you can expect the number of accidents involving a driver with THC in their system will go up 100% as well.
I’m going to need a study link to show people drive slower after consuming THC and not « everyone has experienced it. »
Maybe have the personal responsibility to not put others at risk by driving high in the first place? 5-10 mph slower on a highway absolutely can cause major accidents.
I don’t know about you, but I get blurred vision when using medical marijuana. I’d never get behind the wheel of a car because I would be unable to make the quick decisions necessary to avoid a collision and would have difficulty seeing the lines on the road.
It’s really quite simple. Don’t be under the influence when you get behind the wheel a vehicle. It’s not that hard.
But because people, including those on this board, have the self image that it « could never be them , » we need some kind of regulations in place.
it’s really quite simple. Don’t be under the influence when you get behind the wheel a vehicle. It’s not that hard.
Agreed. Then, for consistency, that needs to be extended to patients taking any of the hundreds of prescription drugs that have psychoactive effects, like many antidepressants and anxiolytic medications, among others. Nobody with those prescriptions can be both following their doctor's medication recommendations and move about freely anymore.
Fine for big cities, I guess, where there are uber, lyft and public transportation. Too bad for everyone else
I'd wager those people drove recklessly to begin with. That is the root cause of nearly all auto accidents. Most people don't take driving seriously enough.
I'm not sure why it would upset them to hear that? My point is that "stoned" drivers who cause accidents are likely unsafe drivers 100% of the time, not just when they have THC in their system.
If I may offer that we look at driving accidents another way - assuming we get back control of “our” government.
If you can prove it was just an accident, the crime is much lower and you focus on restoring what property and injury you can if you were at fault, with debts negotiated (which we don’t have precedent for that I’m aware of) if you weren’t responsible enough to have assets or insurance in place to restore any damages you incur while driving, and where solid precedent is set on determination of that (which we already have).
If someone is found to be “negligent” - habitual inattentiveness with inattentiveness being causal, drunk, stoned, excessively drowsy/asleep, etc - additional punitive damages may be added by the jury in accordance with the severity of the damages incurred.
This is what I believe is meant by “judge righteously, for as you judge, you will be judged”. i.e. It was meant, within a court or tribunal, and with precedence considered. (Matthew 7:2, Luke 6:37)
“But make peace with your neighbor wherever possible, lest they drag you before a magistrate (judge)” (Luke 12:58)
Can’t have any of this under statutory law without right to a trial by jury.
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
($20 being about $600-$250,000 now, depending whether you go pure spot price, or certificate-suppressed spot price of $30*400 per oz)
Points taken and some valid, especially about common decency. I would think with decrim, the fad of smoking would be sucked out and hoping people would be more conservative about it
As cannabis is neither lethal nor physically addictive, it needs to be completely taken off the schedule and legalized, not on "Schedule 3" where federal police (which are provided for nowhere in the Constitution, by the way) can still lock you in a cage for years, merely for possessing the plant.
Meanwhile, anyone can walk into a liquor store and buy enough booze to kill themself within the hour if they choose to chug it - free choice for free adults in a free society. (This is a good thing; let them "weed" themselves out :)
It’s fine to take it off the schedule, but it’s not fine to stop enforcing DUI for people that are high.
I know of multiple fatal crashes because people thought they were fine to drive high as a kite.
And I don’t think it’s okay to be vaping and smoking marijuana around schools and public places just like cigarettes. St. Louis smells like a Bob Marley concert at all times now, and it’s annoying when you’re just trying to go about your day.
Yes but DUI fatalities drop by about 25% when states legalize cannabis.
Fully legal, non-scheduled ethanol is a far worse alcohol problem than THC is.
Drivers under the influence of THC actually tend to drive 5-10 mph SLOWER than usual...almost everyone has experienced this phenomenon, it's a running joke. I've never personally heard of anyone being in an accident due to THC but I've had two close friends die while driving drunk.
But we agree, both options should be off the schedule and up to free adults to decide what to put inside their body.
Can you post a link to a study that supports that claim? Meanwhile, I found a study that directly contradicts the statement you made.
https://madd.org/hawaii/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2022/07/ImpactUpdate_ColoradoLeagaliztionMarijuana_10.18.pdf
If the number of drivers consuming cannabis goes up 100% (because it's suddenly legal) then you can expect the number of accidents involving a driver with THC in their system will go up 100% as well.
Are you equating "testing positive for marijuana" with "being impaired"?
I know the govt would love to have you believe this, but it's not true.
I’m going to need a study link to show people drive slower after consuming THC and not « everyone has experienced it. »
Maybe have the personal responsibility to not put others at risk by driving high in the first place? 5-10 mph slower on a highway absolutely can cause major accidents.
I don’t know about you, but I get blurred vision when using medical marijuana. I’d never get behind the wheel of a car because I would be unable to make the quick decisions necessary to avoid a collision and would have difficulty seeing the lines on the road.
It’s really quite simple. Don’t be under the influence when you get behind the wheel a vehicle. It’s not that hard.
But because people, including those on this board, have the self image that it « could never be them , » we need some kind of regulations in place.
Agreed. Then, for consistency, that needs to be extended to patients taking any of the hundreds of prescription drugs that have psychoactive effects, like many antidepressants and anxiolytic medications, among others. Nobody with those prescriptions can be both following their doctor's medication recommendations and move about freely anymore.
Fine for big cities, I guess, where there are uber, lyft and public transportation. Too bad for everyone else
I'd wager those people drove recklessly to begin with. That is the root cause of nearly all auto accidents. Most people don't take driving seriously enough.
Wow.
Tell that to anyone who has lost a loved one to drunk or high driving.
I'm not sure why it would upset them to hear that? My point is that "stoned" drivers who cause accidents are likely unsafe drivers 100% of the time, not just when they have THC in their system.
If I may offer that we look at driving accidents another way - assuming we get back control of “our” government.
If you can prove it was just an accident, the crime is much lower and you focus on restoring what property and injury you can if you were at fault, with debts negotiated (which we don’t have precedent for that I’m aware of) if you weren’t responsible enough to have assets or insurance in place to restore any damages you incur while driving, and where solid precedent is set on determination of that (which we already have).
If someone is found to be “negligent” - habitual inattentiveness with inattentiveness being causal, drunk, stoned, excessively drowsy/asleep, etc - additional punitive damages may be added by the jury in accordance with the severity of the damages incurred.
This is what I believe is meant by “judge righteously, for as you judge, you will be judged”. i.e. It was meant, within a court or tribunal, and with precedence considered. (Matthew 7:2, Luke 6:37)
“But make peace with your neighbor wherever possible, lest they drag you before a magistrate (judge)” (Luke 12:58)
Can’t have any of this under statutory law without right to a trial by jury.
($20 being about $600-$250,000 now, depending whether you go pure spot price, or certificate-suppressed spot price of $30*400 per oz)
Points taken and some valid, especially about common decency. I would think with decrim, the fad of smoking would be sucked out and hoping people would be more conservative about it
Sunshine republican much?
Ban xyz because it is annoying.
Fucking authoritarians can suck commie cock.