it's either the US govt bureaucrats (according to pharma company), or the pharma company itself (according to US govt bureaucrats). pick your poison. i reckon it's both
I'm no expert, but don't these European countries all have socialized healthcare? Their taxes go to supplementing the costs of these "medicines" for their own citizens (plus migrants). Meanwhile, the USA accounts for 40% of the world's military spending. Last year, the US had committed $48bil in military aid to Europe, substantially more than all European countries combined. Our tax money here in the states is spent on the protection of the EU which allows these countries to offer cushy subsidies to its citizens. Great deal for us Americans, isn't it? Our grandparents sacrificed themselves to win a war and their children are forever sacrificing their hard earned money to keep the world safe.
this USA = knight in shining armor mindset is baffling to me. it didn't even apply to WW2 when you start to learn what actually happened, and the fact that washington will happily sacrifice millions upon the altar of geopolitics doesn't mean those people died for a worthy cause, or that europe should be even further in debt to them as gratitude.
"protect europe"? from what? from the russia they intentionally antagonize? because it's certainly not protecting europe from the millions of migrants that are taking the opportunity to run away from the shitholes that USA keeps carpet bombing. europe and russia had been getting along fine since USSR fell, and that PRECISELY was the problem for washington. that was and is the sole purpose of nato expansionism. it needs europe to be dependent on it, as vassal states. it needs an external threat to achieve that. this is how geopolitics works. there is no altruism. EU leaders in return invariably support US foreign policy. it's a protection racket.
but anyway, of that figure you referenced, it wasn't aid sent to "europe", it was ukraine (should have been obvious but whatever), another CIA-sponsored designer war. you can see how UK, France, Portugal and Norway received laughable amounts of US military foreign aid in 2023:
You are correct, Sir/Madam. I see now that figure is for Ukraine only. I apologize for lumping the other EU countries in there together. We only gave a paltry $51.1 billie (split up amongst 157 countries) in foreign/military aid. You're welcome by the way. I hope our hard earned money helps you and your country's citizens afford childcare, education, medical care, etc.
And the reason why the "knight in shining armor" mindset Americans have that baffles you so is because you are obviously an entitled Eurotwat. Americans had no intention of entering ww2. Just as I'm sure you would not be expected to get drafted and go overseas to fight another country's battle for them. Well that's what happened to the US. Our men didn't want to fight until they gave them a reason to. Our big beautiful country could produce like no other, once they got going, while our boys up at the front got shit done. They fought and died and won your continent back for you. What 'worthier cause' is there than that?
Do you really think any European government or the EU are in the least capable of forcing big Pharma or the US government of granting us lower prices? It is more likely that the highest possible price will be demanded, and that price is likely to be higher in the United States.
They absolutley do- it is simple, pharma companies go over and say "lookie! New drug! Heres the price..." and countries say, "no, price too high- our SOCIALIZED MEDICINE PROGRAMS will not pay THAT!!! We will pay xxxx or NO NEW DRUG IN OUR COUNTRY"
Sauce: i used tonwork in pharma and saw the beast from the inside- we are ABSOLUTELY SUBSIDIZING MEDS FOR OTHER COUNTRIES and have been for DECADES!
Do you really think any European government or the EU are in the least capable of forcing big Pharma
u/yoshikawa: ABSO-fucking-LUTELY YES ! Actually: they do it every time !
And it is absolutely right despite you Americans could call it wrong: socialism. Right because pharmaceutical companies have monopoly on their products so it isn't free market anyway. And fighting monopolies endangering consumer right is absolutely the job of the government in healthy free market economy.
It would be free market if everyone company who wants it could after mixing some chemicals make pharmaceuticals. But it is not possible as those products are patented. And who keeps patents (so called intellectual property isn't property at all but law privilege of monopoly on something) enforced ? The state.
But that NOT means that Americans are paying for the costs of production and Europe is parasitising. If US government allows excess profits for those foreign pharmaceutical companies then that is US consumer problem with US government. As it means US government not negotiates at all about limiting those prices or gets "somehow" terrible deals (and let me guess: people related to those who negotiate those deals or those people get seats in those pharmaceutical companies or gifts from them and nobody cares isn't it ?)
Do people who buy cheaper because they negotiate with seller are stealing from moron who overpays ? I don't think so. Bad news: you have morons or corrupted beyond reason scums in American administration - and you allow it to be such.
They're not so much with this subject: pharmaceutical drugs. Bureaucracy and lobbying is a much bigger problem than European medical consumers and manufacturers.
True.
But we need to stop allowing Europe to steal from us.
"europe" isn't stealing from you
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ozempic-1-300-more-expensive-110407376.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/senators-press-novo-nordisk-ceo-on-why-ozempic-and-wegovy-cost-less-abroad/ar-AA1r8gP5
it's either the US govt bureaucrats (according to pharma company), or the pharma company itself (according to US govt bureaucrats). pick your poison. i reckon it's both
I'm no expert, but don't these European countries all have socialized healthcare? Their taxes go to supplementing the costs of these "medicines" for their own citizens (plus migrants). Meanwhile, the USA accounts for 40% of the world's military spending. Last year, the US had committed $48bil in military aid to Europe, substantially more than all European countries combined. Our tax money here in the states is spent on the protection of the EU which allows these countries to offer cushy subsidies to its citizens. Great deal for us Americans, isn't it? Our grandparents sacrificed themselves to win a war and their children are forever sacrificing their hard earned money to keep the world safe.
this USA = knight in shining armor mindset is baffling to me. it didn't even apply to WW2 when you start to learn what actually happened, and the fact that washington will happily sacrifice millions upon the altar of geopolitics doesn't mean those people died for a worthy cause, or that europe should be even further in debt to them as gratitude.
"protect europe"? from what? from the russia they intentionally antagonize? because it's certainly not protecting europe from the millions of migrants that are taking the opportunity to run away from the shitholes that USA keeps carpet bombing. europe and russia had been getting along fine since USSR fell, and that PRECISELY was the problem for washington. that was and is the sole purpose of nato expansionism. it needs europe to be dependent on it, as vassal states. it needs an external threat to achieve that. this is how geopolitics works. there is no altruism. EU leaders in return invariably support US foreign policy. it's a protection racket.
but anyway, of that figure you referenced, it wasn't aid sent to "europe", it was ukraine (should have been obvious but whatever), another CIA-sponsored designer war. you can see how UK, France, Portugal and Norway received laughable amounts of US military foreign aid in 2023:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/countries-that-receive-the-most-foreign-aid-from-the-u-s
also this page has a cool graph at the bottom where you can select different countries to see how much US military aid they received over the years:
https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-does-the-us-give-other-countries-in-military-aid/
sadly it stops short at 2020 but that graph for ukraine for the last 4 years is absolutely retarded by comparison:
https://www.stephensemler.com/p/updated-figures-us-aid-to-ukraine
You are correct, Sir/Madam. I see now that figure is for Ukraine only. I apologize for lumping the other EU countries in there together. We only gave a paltry $51.1 billie (split up amongst 157 countries) in foreign/military aid. You're welcome by the way. I hope our hard earned money helps you and your country's citizens afford childcare, education, medical care, etc.
And the reason why the "knight in shining armor" mindset Americans have that baffles you so is because you are obviously an entitled Eurotwat. Americans had no intention of entering ww2. Just as I'm sure you would not be expected to get drafted and go overseas to fight another country's battle for them. Well that's what happened to the US. Our men didn't want to fight until they gave them a reason to. Our big beautiful country could produce like no other, once they got going, while our boys up at the front got shit done. They fought and died and won your continent back for you. What 'worthier cause' is there than that?
NOT EUROPEAN CITIZEN'S FAULT. FFS. But you go right ahead and buy into the media division.
I'm not saying it is. I'm pissed at our deep state. More of us Americans need to be too.
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/529049-america-is-subsidizing-europes-socialist-medicine-with-higher-drug-prices/
You are correct.
I meant the European government.
Do you really think any European government or the EU are in the least capable of forcing big Pharma or the US government of granting us lower prices? It is more likely that the highest possible price will be demanded, and that price is likely to be higher in the United States.
They absolutley do- it is simple, pharma companies go over and say "lookie! New drug! Heres the price..." and countries say, "no, price too high- our SOCIALIZED MEDICINE PROGRAMS will not pay THAT!!! We will pay xxxx or NO NEW DRUG IN OUR COUNTRY" Sauce: i used tonwork in pharma and saw the beast from the inside- we are ABSOLUTELY SUBSIDIZING MEDS FOR OTHER COUNTRIES and have been for DECADES!
u/yoshikawa: ABSO-fucking-LUTELY YES ! Actually: they do it every time !
And it is absolutely right despite you Americans could call it wrong: socialism. Right because pharmaceutical companies have monopoly on their products so it isn't free market anyway. And fighting monopolies endangering consumer right is absolutely the job of the government in healthy free market economy.
It would be free market if everyone company who wants it could after mixing some chemicals make pharmaceuticals. But it is not possible as those products are patented. And who keeps patents (so called intellectual property isn't property at all but law privilege of monopoly on something) enforced ? The state.
But that NOT means that Americans are paying for the costs of production and Europe is parasitising. If US government allows excess profits for those foreign pharmaceutical companies then that is US consumer problem with US government. As it means US government not negotiates at all about limiting those prices or gets "somehow" terrible deals (and let me guess: people related to those who negotiate those deals or those people get seats in those pharmaceutical companies or gifts from them and nobody cares isn't it ?)
Do people who buy cheaper because they negotiate with seller are stealing from moron who overpays ? I don't think so. Bad news: you have morons or corrupted beyond reason scums in American administration - and you allow it to be such.
Incorrect.
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/529049-america-is-subsidizing-europes-socialist-medicine-with-higher-drug-prices/
like the hill is a reliable source gtfoh
Since the Hill is leftist publication they wouldn't lie something like this.
They're not so much with this subject: pharmaceutical drugs. Bureaucracy and lobbying is a much bigger problem than European medical consumers and manufacturers.
and canada and mexico and ...