Russia Strikes Ukrainian Defense Plant in Dnepropetrovsk Using Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles for the First Time in Warfare...
As we stare into the future of the war in Ukraine, we now have daily escalations from both sides, each scarier than the next.
UPDATE: US official disputes Ukraine's claim that Russia used intercontinental ballistic missile
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The Kinzhal are the hypersonic missiles I believe. They probably wanted to test them against the patriots to see if the patriots can stop them. If they can't then that could open the playback significantly.
Maybe we have other missile defense systems, but the Patriot is one of the more well known systems.
Another video of the heavenly punishment that befell the Yuzhmash plant in Dnepropetrovsk.
Yes the Kinzhal is Russia's conventional hypersonic missile it has been used before in this war but I don't think it was used to see if the Patriot missile system will destroy it but to destroy the Patriot missile system. Hypersonic missiles carry lighter payload than what a cruise missile can be outfitted with, this is what the Patriot missiles are shooting down.
The reason I don't think it was a test is this, if you have a missile battery shooting down your ordinance you distract with one and destroy with the other in a 180 attack. All missile defense systems have a rotation speed and target acquisition delay. And I could be wrong but I'm not sure a patriot missile battery can shoot down a Kinzhal.
-------> -∆ <-------- this is how you fire the missiles
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a43806773/patriot-missile-kills-russia-hypersonic-kinzhal-missile/
This article says the did it but the Ukrainian at the end saying there's no evidence.
That's a great article. Thanks for adding it to this thread, fren.
Cheers brother!!
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Test them against patriots? No, they have been tested already, they are designed, among other things, to DESTROY patriots.
Patriots cannot intercept hypersonic khinzals which have a vertical terminal phase. There is at least a 30 year technological difference between the two, and the patriot system was not great even when it was introduced. Remember 1991 and Saddam's scuds?
No, what happened was that patriots are still able to intercept the Sarmats (the 'ICBM'), so the khinzals were sent to destroy the patriots, and then the Sarmats did the bigger booms.
In older days we called this SEAD. But now you don't need aircraft to do it.
Patriots have never been able to intercept RS-28 "Sarmats". That is a full-fledged ICBM and has a terminal velocity much higher than Mach 10.
Yes that's true. Patriots in theory cannot intercept the Sarmat. But I guess the Russians wanted to make a point (NATO, your AD sucks), and also wanted to be damn sure the Sarmat hit.
Incidentally I read somewhere that it was a newer version of Sarmat. MIRV, 6x6. That's a lot of stuff coming at you.
It wasn't a Sarmat at all. What you read is wrong, though the Sarmat can be equipped with hypersonic penetrators. The Russian code name for what they shot is "Oreshnik" and it was an intermediate-range ballistic missile. Patriots are not designed to intercept these things, though they might try. The more appropriate defense system would be THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense).
Thanks for the details on that.
It's a shame we are so far behind on hypersonic missiles. Why do you think that is? We spend so much money on the military and we can't even keep up?
We graduate 100s of lawyers, realtors, political scientists, womens studies, and all other FIRE economy trash degrees for every one engineer.
And that one engineer goes to work for a hedge fund because there is no actual engineering to do in this country anymore (besides construction, that part is going well).
Look at the elementary math curriculum. Then look at the ones the Russians have. 10+ years of difference.
Attempts to close the intellectual gap were made with immigration (the legal kind), so this is why you see so many indians/chinese in universities. But they are woefully short because there is also a lack of CULTURAL BINDING among them (i.e. they're in it for the money).
On top of that, Russians were always good at math & engineering AND they had advanced missile technology programs even back in the Soviet days. They just decided to use their (significantly less) resources in efficient weapons systems.
Meanwhile, we build billion dollar aircraft carriers to go bomb the next iteration of Saddam. And those carriers will get sunk with a salvo of ~20 hypersonics which cost a fraction of the price of the carrier.
This is what happens when you let a satanic cabal, and the middle managers of Wall st & Mckinzey run your country. They run it, to the ground.
The indians are incapable of doing anything.
...other than reproducing, nepotism and street sitting, that is. Not great for the West.
You are unfortunately correct.
This, got an engineering degree, but the fracking boom had ended by the time I graduated, so had to take a technician role to find work at all. Luckily in a role now where I can solve problems in a factory, but still not an official engineering position.
There were no explosions on the ground, just the clouds parting and fire coming down, seemingly to no effect.
That's because those missiles are bunker busters. The explosions were under ground.
They're coming down at a very high terminal velocity. They WILL penetrate the ground and go boom underground. That's their purpose.
Soviets built a lot of underground stuff. They learned the lessons from WW2.
Hilarious that the media are all playing the launch video in reverse. Apparently Ukraine is trying to say that's actually footage of the missiles impacting target?
The videos in this article look off and that's exactly what came to mind (esp since there doesn't seem to be any kind of explosion). Is this reversed footage from the Ukrainian launch?
Didn't the official statement from the Ukranian government say, "Of the 6 missiles launched, 8 were intercepted and destroyed." 😂😂🤣🤣
5 IIRC
That's even better, they shot all 8 of those down. 🤣🤣
I'll bet there were NATO people in that target.
I hope there weren't US people fixing the Bradley's.
The People running Joe and the US policy are pure evil for escalating this.
Most likely there were US people, but more likely they were team evil affiliated. Still a US loss, but they aren't officially there.
If there were they 100% knew the risk.
That's true. If they are military and were ordered to be there, maybe that's a different story.
Ordered to participate in an undeclared---thus unconstitutional---war? And did not resign? Our military is too damn complicit in a long string of things they should have refused.
Indeed. I commented about this a couple of days ago and got downdooted, and called names, by 'veterans'.
Sorry, but those actions are disgraceful, and the US military is, AND AWALYS HAS BEEN, the enforcement arm of the cabal.
Well, maybe before 1860 it wasn't that. But since the Civil War it has become that.
Smedley Butler even wrote a book about it. He knew, he was part of the enforcement arm. United Fruit, back during the day.
Could someone with knowledge confirm my theory that ICBMs were used not only for their high capacity but also their attack vector from ABOVE, instead of cruise missile vectors which are HORIZONTAL?
I am not an expert.
I believe ICBM's leave the atmosphere, so many traditional defenses simply can't reach up there to defend against them.
So coming close to straight down would likely be easier to avoid certain defenses. At the same time, space-based, or high-altitude defense systems may find ICBM's relatively easy targets.
I would think another benefit of coming from above might be speed of impact. By working with gravity instead of against it, I would think higher speeds could be achieved.
I'm just spitballing here. You should know though that I once held the top score on Space Invaders at the local arcade. So I have that going for me. Which is nice.
Nuclear-armed ICBMs do not have a terminal dive maneuver. Not needed for any reason. Fuzing is accomplished by altimeter. The guidance system is designed to result in a target dispersion error well within the blast radius of the weapon. (It's a tradeoff between accuracy and weapon yield. My old motto: "When in doubt, add more yield.")
However, if you are using a conventional warhead, you are far more sensitive to target dispersion errors and need to reduce them as much as possible. This leads to a vertical terminal maneuver, as it nullifies any lateral error resulting from projection of a height error. This is used in conventional guided bombs of the JDAM variety. It may be that this "Oreshnik" missile has such a terminal maneuver, especially if it has a terrain-recognition seeker.
Incorrect information has fast feet among anons. The Gateway Pundit is not be regarded as a reliable technical source. The missile was not an ICBM---and could never have been. Ukraine is too close for any ICBM to target (reason having to do with physics and ballistics). It was an intermediate-range missile ("Oreshnik"), as explained by Putin's people in a briefing to the U.S. prior to the shot.
Headline: Nuclear war started by lame duck president.
That is not far from the truth. These sumbitches need to hang.
https://southfront.press/russia-showed-its-dooms-day-weapon-in-action/
A message to Europe, we can hit you when we want and there is not a thing you can do to stop it. Macron, Stammer, all leading their countries to ruin. Germans are backing out.
Of course MIC is gonna deny it being an ICBM. They don't want the public knowing that they choked by failing to detect it. If that happened, the little peasants might start to question what in the hell 1/2 of our tax dollars are being used for- besides DEI salaries of course.
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And, it's supposedly a MIRV too! Whether or not it was an ICBM shouldn't be too hard to prove one way or another.
I watched a FAB9000 strike, it’s basically a tactical nuke that’s not a tactical nuke. Devastating, it basically vaporizes everything within two kilometers and the shockwave and subsequent lack of oxygen kills everything else within an additional three kilometers. The Russians basically let a battalion of Ukrainian soldiers take a town and then when they were all inside the town celebrating their apparent victory, the Russians dropped the FAB9000 and eradicated everyone. Very disturbing
It was a new hypersonic mid ranged ICBM. It is launched off a mobile transport system.
Moscow showed its Doom’s Day weapon in action. The RS-26 Rubezh ballistic missile was reportedly launched from the Kapustin Yar test site in Astrakhan Oblast. The flight time to the target located about 800 kilometers away is estimated to be less than 5 minutes. The speed of the combat units at the final stage of the flight was about 5-7 kilometers per second.
The RS-26 Rubezh is a ballistic missile of medium range, which is normally designed to carry nuclear warhead. It was developed by the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering as part of the Avangard program. It was created on the basis of the RS-24 Yars. Information about this mobile missile system, like its rocket, is completely classified.
The RS-26 reportedly has a starting weight of about 40-50 tons and is capable of delivering 4 separate combat units at a distance of 2,000 to 6,000 kilometers. Its warhead is three times larger than the Iskander’s warhead. Accordingly, it is much more powerful.
It has an advanced protection against the missile defense system and reportedly four individual thermonuclear warheads with a capacity of 150-300 kilotons each. No foreign air defense system is reportedly able to intercept it.
Defense plant? Above ground? Building what? They get everything imported.