How can you SAY THAT!!!!!! 😱😱😱😱 I can think of NO WORSE CRIME than your accounting staff posting a payment to your attorney as attorney fees!!!! I was shocked they didn't list the death penalty as possible punishment. I mean, REALLY!!!!! /s
Iirc it was because the jury didn't even have to unanimously come to a conclusion.
But if 3 said guilty on one item, a different set of 3 said guilty on another set, and another group only said he was guilty of a 3rd set, the judge said "well this is a patchwork of guilties but all for different things, but we will consider this hodge podge of various guilty mean he is guilty of all".
It was a corrupt bunch of nonsense.
No judge or jury has ever done anything like this before. It's not a unanimous guilty, it's just a mish mash of different people saying "well he was sonly guilty of one of the 34 things" and the judge taking that and combining every thing into a single judgement.
Entire thing is a farce, they just needed to be able to call trump "a felon" even if the case itself was bullshit
It's not a unanimous guilty, it's just a mish mash of different people saying "well he was sonly guilty of one of the 34 things" and the judge taking that and combining every thing into a single judgement.
There's three levels to this.
The jury had to be unanimous on the crime of false Business records.
The jury had to be unanimous at the false business records were to cover up another crime. In this case conspiring to promote an election by illegal means
It's only how the second crime took place did not need to be unanimous. They did not need to agree on which illegal means were used.
So for the crime charged, the jury had to unanimously find these 34 business records were false.
The charges were for
11 Invoices for legal services
11 Checks paid for legal services
12 Ledger entries for legal expenses
But essentially all 34 of these were the same thing that the $420,000 paid to Michael Cohen were not actually for legal services. If Trump paid him back in one lump sum, There would have only been three false business records.
The jury unanimously found these were false business records. And Trump never even defended this.
He didn't put on any witness saying these were legitimate and these were actually for legal services. There's zero testimony from Trump's defense on this.
Then for these charges to be a felony, the false business records had to be created to cover up a predicate crime. And this had to be unanimous.
In this the predicate crime was
New York Election Law section 17-152 which is about conspiring to affect an election by unlawful means.
The jury had to be unanimous about this crime too.
It's only the third level where they did not have to be unanimous. They did not have discuss or decide WHICH unlawful means.
From the jury instructions
**Although you must conclude unanimously that the defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means, **you need not be unanimous as to what those unlawful means were.
In determining whether the defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means, you may consider the following: (1) violations
of the Federal Election Campaign Act otherwise known as FECA;
(2) the falsification of other business records; or (3) violation of tax laws.
“You’ll take the carrot, or you’ll get the stick.”
A lot of people will go carrot. Refusing the carrot, seizing the stick, and beating the baiter across the head mercilessly used to set Americans apart.
The biggest point toward that is that it’s a huge condemnation of how the church is operating that needs to start being fixed immediately. There are verses that say how this should be handled, and we largely ignore them all.
More so than that, Luke 12:22-24
22 And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on. 23 The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment. 24 Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?
Yet we lack courage. 365 times, “fear not”. I’ve feared. We must work to get past it.
We are leaving the “if you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine” to rest in the hands of freaking Disney.
Watch something about the first 150 years of Christianity and tell me that it wasn’t infinitely greater in 65AD than it is today. Polycarp movie. The Story Keepers cartoon. There are others. The story of Joseph tells the real necessity of visiting prisoners, and that sort of situation may return.
Christianity is about a lot more than just “stop looking at porn and having unmarried sex”. It’s fundamentally about opposing the carrot and stick in pursuit of life, freedom, and righteousness, and the light isn’t as visible during the day. It gets awfully dark during a violent storm.
Unfortunately, the people I know who take great pleasure in honking about the "34 time convicted felon" bullshit, would NEVER sit still long enough to watch a five minute video like this, which requires active listening and thoughtful understanding. Any way we can distill this to a 10-second TikTok snippet?? /s
Found ham sandwich guilty**** There's a famous old expression that ``the grand jury will indict - ham sandwich'' meaning they will indict anything in front of them. This is due to the very lopsided playing field; no defense attorney, no judge, no cross examination of their witnesses, limited right for defense to present witnesses etc
Yep. This was about disclosure. Good things come to people who wait patiently
How could any jury member vote to convict on this convoluted garbage??
You'd be surprised how motivating cash can be under the threat of having your giblets cajoled...
OH MY! jury intimidation, jury interference!
Would that not be a CRIME??
Like worse than recording payments to one's attorney as legal expenses??
Correct.
Against the law.
Just like a criminal's firearm...
In an hov lane by himself...
Speeding...
In Virginia with a radar detector...
On the Sabbath...
My sides! 🤣
And actually the accountant recorded it as legal expenses paying a legal bill, Trump didn’t record anything.
Indeed he could not personally have known about one of millions of transactions.
How can you SAY THAT!!!!!! 😱😱😱😱 I can think of NO WORSE CRIME than your accounting staff posting a payment to your attorney as attorney fees!!!! I was shocked they didn't list the death penalty as possible punishment. I mean, REALLY!!!!! /s
IF the Death penalty was an option, they'd have been all over that like a pack of monkeys trying to fuck a football....
No kidding!
And if you tell, your wife/kids get whacked. Would you sacrifice your spouse or children to tell the truth?
Iirc it was because the jury didn't even have to unanimously come to a conclusion.
But if 3 said guilty on one item, a different set of 3 said guilty on another set, and another group only said he was guilty of a 3rd set, the judge said "well this is a patchwork of guilties but all for different things, but we will consider this hodge podge of various guilty mean he is guilty of all".
It was a corrupt bunch of nonsense.
No judge or jury has ever done anything like this before. It's not a unanimous guilty, it's just a mish mash of different people saying "well he was sonly guilty of one of the 34 things" and the judge taking that and combining every thing into a single judgement.
Entire thing is a farce, they just needed to be able to call trump "a felon" even if the case itself was bullshit
But the precedent that gets set when it’s corrected is gonna be delicious.
Seeing it turned against them would, sure.
But it would entrench it further, and it would continue to be used against the people in the future.
The corrective precedent for addressing when this sort of blatant violation is made would entrench the problem further?
Or is one of us misunderstanding the other statement?
Just doing the same thing back to them certainly does seem like a bad idea.
If this BS doesn't fall apart under appeal, the American legal system is dead for sure.
This is not accurate
There's three levels to this.
The jury had to be unanimous on the crime of false Business records.
The jury had to be unanimous at the false business records were to cover up another crime. In this case conspiring to promote an election by illegal means
It's only how the second crime took place did not need to be unanimous. They did not need to agree on which illegal means were used.
So for the crime charged, the jury had to unanimously find these 34 business records were false.
The charges were for 11 Invoices for legal services
11 Checks paid for legal services
12 Ledger entries for legal expenses
But essentially all 34 of these were the same thing that the $420,000 paid to Michael Cohen were not actually for legal services. If Trump paid him back in one lump sum, There would have only been three false business records.
The jury unanimously found these were false business records. And Trump never even defended this. He didn't put on any witness saying these were legitimate and these were actually for legal services. There's zero testimony from Trump's defense on this.
Then for these charges to be a felony, the false business records had to be created to cover up a predicate crime. And this had to be unanimous.
In this the predicate crime was New York Election Law section 17-152 which is about conspiring to affect an election by unlawful means.
The jury had to be unanimous about this crime too.
It's only the third level where they did not have to be unanimous. They did not have discuss or decide WHICH unlawful means.
From the jury instructions
https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/People%20v.%20DJT%20Jury%20Instructions%20and%20Charges%20FINAL%205-23-24.pdf
Yeah whatever it was, it was beyond retarded, fake, and gay.
Don't remember the whole scam they pulled on trump
Their whole system is called “carrot and stick”.
“You’ll take the carrot, or you’ll get the stick.”
A lot of people will go carrot. Refusing the carrot, seizing the stick, and beating the baiter across the head mercilessly used to set Americans apart.
Trump still does it, God bless him!
Because most people can't afford to risk the stick.
The biggest point toward that is that it’s a huge condemnation of how the church is operating that needs to start being fixed immediately. There are verses that say how this should be handled, and we largely ignore them all.
More so than that, Luke 12:22-24
Yet we lack courage. 365 times, “fear not”. I’ve feared. We must work to get past it.
We are leaving the “if you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine” to rest in the hands of freaking Disney.
Watch something about the first 150 years of Christianity and tell me that it wasn’t infinitely greater in 65AD than it is today. Polycarp movie. The Story Keepers cartoon. There are others. The story of Joseph tells the real necessity of visiting prisoners, and that sort of situation may return.
Christianity is about a lot more than just “stop looking at porn and having unmarried sex”. It’s fundamentally about opposing the carrot and stick in pursuit of life, freedom, and righteousness, and the light isn’t as visible during the day. It gets awfully dark during a violent storm.
They are liberal democrats, it was all about getting Trump.
Good one!
Show me the man. I will find a crime. Lavrenyiy Beria head of the KGB
Unfortunately, the people I know who take great pleasure in honking about the "34 time convicted felon" bullshit, would NEVER sit still long enough to watch a five minute video like this, which requires active listening and thoughtful understanding. Any way we can distill this to a 10-second TikTok snippet?? /s
Found ham sandwich guilty**** There's a famous old expression that ``the grand jury will indict - ham sandwich'' meaning they will indict anything in front of them. This is due to the very lopsided playing field; no defense attorney, no judge, no cross examination of their witnesses, limited right for defense to present witnesses etc
That clarifies a lot. Thank you!
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