So, it turns out that before WW2, there was a significant population in the Jewish community who believed it was a grave moral sin to return to Israel before the coming of the Messiah. Since they do not accept Jesus as the Messiah, that means the Messiah hasn't come yet. Sure enough, the majority of the Jewish population that was staunchly opposed to returning to Israel prematurely ended up getting purged during the Holocaust. Without those dissenting voices, and the recent shock of the Holocaust in recent memory, this meant there was basically all-but-complete unity within the Jewish community regarding the establishment of Israel after WW2.
This has always rubbed me the wrong way ever since I realized it. Something about it seems almost too convenient. Has anyone else noticed? I invite anyone and everyone to dig into this.
...they were right...
i havent been on for awhile, lost my account info then i see ashlanddog still around and still posting. its a good day!
...a howlingly good day!
u/#howl
Brave AI:
Jewish Population Views on Returning to Israel
Before World War II, there were various beliefs and attitudes within the Jewish community regarding the return to Israel. Some Jewish groups, particularly those with strong religious convictions, believed that it was indeed a grave moral sin to return to Israel before the coming of the Messiah. This belief was rooted in traditional Jewish theology, which held that the Messiah’s arrival would usher in a period of redemption and the ingathering of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel.
In this context, some Orthodox Jewish groups, such as the Neturei Karta, believed that any attempt to establish a Jewish state in Israel before the Messiah’s arrival would be premature and even blasphemous. They argued that the Jewish people should wait for the Messiah to redeem them and lead them back to the Land of Israel, rather than taking matters into their own hands.
However, not all Jewish groups shared this belief. Many secular and Zionist Jews, on the other hand, believed that the establishment of a Jewish state in Israel was a necessary step towards Jewish self-determination and survival, regardless of the Messiah’s arrival. They argued that the Jewish people had a right to return to their ancestral homeland and establish a sovereign state, free from persecution and discrimination.
It’s worth noting that these differing beliefs and attitudes within the Jewish community were not unique to the pre-WWII period. Similar debates and discussions continue to this day, with some Jewish groups maintaining that the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 was a fulfillment of biblical prophecy, while others believe that it was a secular and political achievement that has yet to be redeemed by the Messiah’s arrival.
Sure, they didn't get ALL of them. There's a few left, but they don't have much influence to speak of. I guess you could say I'm one of them! I'll add that the ones who are left are much less outspoken about it, not really viewing it so much as a grave moral sin, but just a regular, amoral, secular political victory.
Some protest , even in Israel. But Sacrifices Needed to be made
...precisely...
Let us first understand a glimpse of the history of "Jewish" and "Judaism", before making our way to WWII.
Facts are Facts by Benjamin H. Freedman:
Judean only has a geographic connotation, and not a religious connotation like the word Jew.
The form of religious worship known as 'Pharisaism' in Judea in the time of Jesus was a religious practice based exclusively upon the Talmud. The Talmud in the time of Jesus was the Magna Charta, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, all rolled into one, of those who practiced 'Pharisaism'. The Talmud today occupies the same relative position with respect to those who profess 'Judaism'.
Rabbi Morris N. Kertzer wrote a most revealing and comprehensive article with the title, "What is a Jew", which was published as a feature article in "Look" Magazine in the June 17, 1952 issue. In that article, Kertzer evaluated the significance of the Talmud to "Judaism" today. In that illuminating treatise, on that important subject, by the most qualified authority at the time, Kertzer stated:
Then he states:
As to the origin of the present "Jews" in Palestine, he states that those Jews derived from Eastern Europe and are not descendents of the Judeans, or the lost tribes of Israel, but rather descendents of the Khazars, a nation most people don't even know of:
On the Khazars, of Persian origin, he writes:
They adopted the Hebrew alphabet and the "Khazars adapted words to their requirements from the German, the Slavonis, and the Baltic languages". This language was known as "Yiddish", using the Hebrew alphabetic characters, but not itself Hebrew. Ask any one who speaks one of those languages to listen to Yiddish, and they will not only hear similarities, but have a vague understanding of what is being said.
As someone who was also raised Jewish before converting, F.C. Gilbert wrote an absolute must read on the complete depravity and evils found in the Talmud, which, as we just read, is the foundation of "Judaism" today. https://archive.org/details/F.C.GilbertPracticalLessonsFromTheExperienceOfIsraelForTheChurch
Before arriving at WWII, we still have to deal with Napoleon, who was himself a freemason. A webpage dedicated to his history writes:
That same lithograph contains symbols representative of the Devil and Freemasonry, among many other pictures involving Napoleon.
Now, here is an amazing incident which is not generally known:
So Napoleon, an agent of freemasonry, created the precursor to zionism, drawing many adherents to dispensationalist/futurist false interpretations of Biblical prophecy.
Elder and founder of freemasonry, Albert Pike, agrees with this sentiment, when he writes, in one of three letters describing three manufactured world wars, with vivid accuracy, to Italian politician Giuseppe Mazzini, 1871:
Nazism and Zionism were not publicly known terms in 1871, but both movements were created by the Weishaupt Illuminati, co-conspirators of Masonry who first coined the word communism, and its ideology, four years prior to its teaching. After WWII, at the Potsdam Conference with Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Communist Russia, while the aftermath of the war with Japan swept the tide of Communism into China.
Louis F. Were sums up the connection of zionism to freemasonry, jesuitism, and the continuing counter-reformation tactics, with a purpose of WWII:
So, what happened to those practicing "Judaism" right before WWII to necessitate such drastic measures of forced relocation?
Spread throughout Europe, there seemed to be a time of reprieve as, after WWII, they would begin to board ships to emigrate to the west. However, the British crown, which too is owned by the papacy, refused the ships passage, and re-routed the destination to Palestine. The result? A new nationalistic, zionistic pride arose as a new nation of people were hounded, and herded, under the deception ingrained in their tradition as depicted in the Talmud.
Only through the filter which is the Bible, proven by prophecy, affirmed by archaeology, upheld by history, can we have a true understanding of not only why these things happen, but the solution to it all, which is found only in God Himself, Jesus Christ:
Read Isaiah 53 and see that these prophecies can only be applied to Christ Jesus. Read Daniel 9:24-27, which the Talmud absolutely prohibits by the way, to understand that the Messiah can only be Christ Jesus, and that the Hebrews, as a nation, but not as individuals, have been left desolate:
Understand that the Old Testament and the New Testament are linked inseparable, and are to be understood together, binded through the centrality of the Word:
And learn of this free invitation, paid for by the blood of the Lamb, God Himself:
Now that is some research!
",,,the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed, and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine....
The terms Fascist, political Zionists, Nazism, "state of Israel" were not in existence in 1871. The alleged quotation attributed to Pike is suspect.
Fasci "groups of men organized for political purposes" had been a feature of Sicily since c. 1895 https://www.etymonline.com/word/fascist
Nazi 1930, noun and adjective, from German Nazi, abbreviation of German pronunciation of Nationalsozialist https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=Nazi
Zionism 1896, "movement for forming (later supporting) a Jewish national state in Palestine," from German Zionismus https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=zionism
Impressive length. There are lots of ((Napoleon)) worshippers here, still.
Tons of lies sprouted before and during WW2 in order to get it started. Reminds me of Vietnam only on a larger scale.
Sacrifices Needed to be made
Connect the dots. Khazars = Caananites = Frankists = Neo Zionists. What books do they hold dear? None other than Babylonian and Sumerian doctrines. Who do they actually worship?
So if they are attempting to bring about a Messiah, from the Christian standpoint who would that be? If you guessed Anti-Christ then you've figured out their long game.
The true tribe according to scripture are the repentant and saved. The false tribe who is currently in power are also defined in scripture.
The holocaust never happened the bodies shown in photos were mostly typhus victims. Germany was a nation under siege and had lost so much territory everything became crowded everyone was starving inside and outside the camp. Due to the typhus outbreaks it was probably safer in than out tbh
Never thought I'd go full-blown Holocaust-denier but that film The Greatest Story Never Told is undeniable.
They have all the receipts.
The crimes of the Soviets and the Americans outweighed anything the Germans did and if anything Hitler's biggest flaw was how nice he was to his enemies
Americans were turning over their POWs AND THEIR FAMILIES AND OTHER CIVILIANS to Churchhill and Churchhill turned them over to the Soviets and the Soviets murdered them.
Whoa!
I've never heard this before
One learns something new here every day. 😉
Interesting info can be gleaned by comparing world Jewish population from multiple years and sources before and after WWII...
Sun Tzu said know your enemy and know yourself and you will win... paraphrasing here but that's the jist of it.
Hitler was not a good guy... but he was also not what everyone thinks he was.
There were a LOT of people talking about this stuff in the late 1800s / early 1900s
My advice is read old books that are closer to the time periods you are interested in... before they disappear...
I look for things that I KNOW used to exist that you can't find copies of any moar...
Didn't the Talmudic Jews essentially make Rabbi Schneerson the mosaich in order to circumvent this?
At least a couple have claimed Messiah status over the years but none have really gained any recognition throughout the community at large. Sabbatai Zevi also claimed to be the Messiah too. Officially, no Messiah has shown up. Many of Schneerson's adherents hoped he would be revealed as the Messiah, but officially he is not. He also adamantly stated that he was not during his lifetime.
interesting^ thanks for the details, don't know much about the beliefs, etc.
and to add a 'Messiah' side note; the Native Americans were also waiting/praying for one with the Ghost Dance movement of the late 1800's...there's a native theme in Q's movie because of the broken treaties & gold.
Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri named the Messiah. And that name is Yehoshuah.
Bolshevik communism replaced real jews, is how I see it as a gen x'er raised catholic in usa.
You're not Jewish. You are Fren ☺️
I identify as a fren first and as a Jew second. Since Jews are so small in number, their greatest strength comes from winning over friends and not over-playing their hands, learning to play well with others collaboratively rather than trying to screw over and exploit peoples who number far greater than they do.
I believe that to a great degree the recent resurgence in animosity towards Jews is punishment from God for our hubris. A sentiment not many in the community like to hear.
Well I like yah Fren! United against evil, we're stronger. Divided and against each other, evil prevails.
The Scofield Bible Babblers don't know this.
Real Jews Oppose Imposters https://old.bitchute.com/video/ltLvrSoYLTbl/
The moment a Zionist realizes that Jews can be against the genocide in Gaza https://old.bitchute.com/video/XdfssWIxR6iK/
The story of the orthodox Jews that oppose Israel | Rabbi Elhanan Beck | UNAPOLOGETIC https://old.bitchute.com/video/9mUwF55E6vRZ/
Jews That oppose Israel's wars & Mossad https://old.bitchute.com/video/nA2ICF7IIXKe/
And the Truth shall set them Free ......again.