Why not? Do you have any idea how much government spending is not useful? For example, according to a simple search the government spent $1.9T (27% of total government expenditures) on health care (Medicare and Medicaid) in 2024. (All American spending was $4.9T in 2023, but that's a different, albeit related issue). But that whole "Health Care" thing is a scam. Health care should be probably in the range of 1/100th of what it is currently. Even if we keep all the programs, we could reduce government spending on health care down to $19B, just by fixing the American health care system. We would spend even less if we fix the nutrition issues, or chemtrails, or vaccines, or pharmaceuticals, or fluoride, etc. so that people are healthier.
And that's just health care. That doesn't even count the transgender psychiatrists in Pakistan that we pay for.
The government has been fleecing the people for a VERY long time. I don't think people really understand how bad the problem is.
I'm good if we downsize to 410 B, and am with you on the medical fiasco. Also we don't need nearly the military we have. We have been the bully boy for the globalists and Israel long enough.
DoD “magic money printing computer” is being taken away. Air Force, Army, and Navy leadership is still captured by Nazi families (children and grandchildren). Nearly 80% of every military program is “administrative costs”. 20% of current DoD budget would result in zero impact to military capability, but millions of administrators would lose their jobs. There are typically 25 “managers” for every 1 engineer in defense programs. Similar ratio for military command, IMO.
In addition, i'm all for a strong military, but you don't need to spend 1.2 trillion to get it.
You get some of these aircraft companies to come to realistic numbers and planes go from billions back to millions. Stop slush funding your black ops by 'buying' $500.00 hammers and you'll see that 1.2T turn into 70-200Billion.
95% of Federal gov’t was ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS on 6-28-2024 with Chevron Doctrine rollback. All “rules and regulations” not laws (and the administrative agencies that administer them 6-27-2024) are null and void, ab initio. All gov’t workers (Executive Branch) attempting to enforce nonlaws through administrative actions, i.e. “unofficial acts” are individually liable for all imposed costs and damages (no immunity) per 7-1-2024 Trump v United States.
I share your sentiment, however it's important to keep in mind that we have a lot of old and aging boomers with gen x that are going to suffer from the side effects of the vaccines, pollution, chemtrails, etc.
So I think the budget should be around 150-200 billion for healthcare, around 500 billion for military(mostly due to R&D that usually end up in civilian life) and another 100 billion for other things like federal agencies, national parks, etc etc
Unpopular opinion, but in the heyday of good and valuable American made and American sold goods, from textiles to furniture and cars and parts and appliances, and the working class became the middle class, were due to Unions. The reason all those jobs and manufacturers were lost is because the CEO's wanted to make it cheaper and faster: enter China to oblige them. The growth rate of the economy, enter Clinton, and NAFTA, if wages don't go up, and there are no jobs, boost the economy by making goods cheaper, and people shut up because they equate cheaper goods with having more spending "power" fooling them into thinking they have more money. It is a a serious untangling of a complicated web, and it will not be fixed quickly. Hold on.
The biggest psyop the cabal pulled on the normie conservatives was to convince them that Unions are composed of lazy communists.
It's funny how when businesses consolidate and become monopolies in order to gain an advantage over the market place and lower pay overall, it's because of the free market economy.
However when workers want to do the same thing in order to get better pay and benefits, they are communists who want to subvert the market.
True; but only because there won't be any government in the next 1-2 years. The whole point of the project is to destroy it completely; starting with the Feds, moving on to the States
The U.S. government has been funded through tariffs, excise taxes, land sales, poll taxes, state and local taxes, bonds and loans, corporate taxes, payroll taxes, estate and gift taxes, and user fees and fines. That's without mentioning the income tax.
also incentivizes other countries to drop their tariffs. Back to an even playing field.
Smaller countries will always produce less goods and services. The U.S. has been paying higher tariffs and it looks like welfare to smaller countries.
It is not "10% across the board." You can't equate the income value from a 10% tariff on products from Grenada+..., with the value of a 34% tariff on products from China.
Even at 34% across the board, there isn't enough... I love the tariff plan, but no way the government will get by on that money. We like being the boy with the big stick too much...
I had a 'talk' with grok and there was a big difference between if DOGE cuts $1T or $2T. At $1T, it has the deficit at a normal % of GDP by 2061 (we'd be running a surplus by 2029) and income tax phased out over 10 years starting in 2029.
The $2T pipe dream that Elon initially said and backed down from (but maybe secretly still desires), changes this drastically. Income taxes can be phased out over 15 years starting immediately and with a budget surplus starting next year.
I don't have high hopes over any long term planning longer than a presidential term, but with Trump possibly running again (which will explode the few remaining lib heads) and with JD Vance's 8 years, Barron should be ready by then!
For all you nay sayers......
Have you ever considered a time of "deflation " instead of "inflation"?
Have you considered the boost to jobs that are coming from all the car companies, chip manufacturers, steel plants, aluminum plants, copper plants, oil and gas EXPORTS? This alone I could continue ad nauseum, but you get this point I hope.
Have you ever considered all the waste and corruption that DOGE finds is $ less in taxes and hence govt spending?
Have ever considered the national debt is not ours?
Have you ever considered there may be no Income Tax?
Have you ever considered there would be no state income or property tax?
Have you ever considered that infrastructure would be built up to future looking standards?
Have you ever considered a time medicine would be all about healing rather than profit?
Have you considered that the federal/state/county/city government does not need to be but a fraction of its present size and yet get more done even quicker?
Have you ever considered that tariffs could be way more than income tax could ever generate?
Have you ever considered the glass half full?
I am not mean and picking at anybody, but dang, we haven't gotten started and it seems there are those who want to throw in the towel already.
I have heard stories of those who went through the depression or past wars and there are times we just have to think not in terms of what we want, but what is practicable. (Thomas Jefferson)
I'm not a naysayer, I support the tariffs, just wanting to spark conversation, because tariffs alone aren't going to fund the government as it stands even with the DOGE cuts.
I'm not ready to fall into the pits of dispair and gloom over this LOL. Let's see how the chess master works this out. Trump will get your money back and then some, as the tariffs are not 10% across the board yet. He will get America back on a level playing field first and then once we are no longer in the red, then it will be time to consider whether or not he wants to do a flat 10% tariff. Let him do what he does best though, and give him space to prove to you he knows what he is doing. After all, he is the sharp business man that politicians hate.
We currently overspend on healthcare by a factor of at least 3x(in reality it might be a 5-10x). A lot of medical institutions overcharge the federal government for basic care simply because they know that nobody will audit the invoices.
Same thing with military spending. Lots and lots of money laundering and overcharging.
All of that on top of fraud, on top of illegals getting benefits they shouldn't be, etc etc.
The reality is that the Federal government should slash it's spending by at least 60% due to waste, fraud and abuse. If we are to include govt reduction of agencies, that is around 75%.
So in theory, tarrifs would be able to cover that. However, there might be a corporate tax for companies that make more than say 500k a year or something like that just balance the budget.
At 410 billion, you could by the IRS's own numbers knock out the 10, 12, and possibly even the 22 percentile bracket and still potentially have spare change. Seriously, 410 billion is practically no federal income tax for under $100,000.
everyone is being reactive instead of proactive..its much to early to tell how this is going to play out yet
I'm pro tariffs...
100% agree. Tariffs in place for 24hrs, and already people here are setting their hair on fire.
Why not? Do you have any idea how much government spending is not useful? For example, according to a simple search the government spent $1.9T (27% of total government expenditures) on health care (Medicare and Medicaid) in 2024. (All American spending was $4.9T in 2023, but that's a different, albeit related issue). But that whole "Health Care" thing is a scam. Health care should be probably in the range of 1/100th of what it is currently. Even if we keep all the programs, we could reduce government spending on health care down to $19B, just by fixing the American health care system. We would spend even less if we fix the nutrition issues, or chemtrails, or vaccines, or pharmaceuticals, or fluoride, etc. so that people are healthier.
And that's just health care. That doesn't even count the transgender psychiatrists in Pakistan that we pay for.
The government has been fleecing the people for a VERY long time. I don't think people really understand how bad the problem is.
I'm good if we downsize to 410 B, and am with you on the medical fiasco. Also we don't need nearly the military we have. We have been the bully boy for the globalists and Israel long enough.
DoD “magic money printing computer” is being taken away. Air Force, Army, and Navy leadership is still captured by Nazi families (children and grandchildren). Nearly 80% of every military program is “administrative costs”. 20% of current DoD budget would result in zero impact to military capability, but millions of administrators would lose their jobs. There are typically 25 “managers” for every 1 engineer in defense programs. Similar ratio for military command, IMO.
Yeah a lot of fat to trim
In addition, i'm all for a strong military, but you don't need to spend 1.2 trillion to get it. You get some of these aircraft companies to come to realistic numbers and planes go from billions back to millions. Stop slush funding your black ops by 'buying' $500.00 hammers and you'll see that 1.2T turn into 70-200Billion.
Correct. Middle management bloodbath coming soon to the Mil-Industrial complex.
95% of Federal gov’t was ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS on 6-28-2024 with Chevron Doctrine rollback. All “rules and regulations” not laws (and the administrative agencies that administer them 6-27-2024) are null and void, ab initio. All gov’t workers (Executive Branch) attempting to enforce nonlaws through administrative actions, i.e. “unofficial acts” are individually liable for all imposed costs and damages (no immunity) per 7-1-2024 Trump v United States.
I share your sentiment, however it's important to keep in mind that we have a lot of old and aging boomers with gen x that are going to suffer from the side effects of the vaccines, pollution, chemtrails, etc.
So I think the budget should be around 150-200 billion for healthcare, around 500 billion for military(mostly due to R&D that usually end up in civilian life) and another 100 billion for other things like federal agencies, national parks, etc etc
Tariff is to promote domestic production, and improve competitiveness of American products globally.
Unpopular opinion, but in the heyday of good and valuable American made and American sold goods, from textiles to furniture and cars and parts and appliances, and the working class became the middle class, were due to Unions. The reason all those jobs and manufacturers were lost is because the CEO's wanted to make it cheaper and faster: enter China to oblige them. The growth rate of the economy, enter Clinton, and NAFTA, if wages don't go up, and there are no jobs, boost the economy by making goods cheaper, and people shut up because they equate cheaper goods with having more spending "power" fooling them into thinking they have more money. It is a a serious untangling of a complicated web, and it will not be fixed quickly. Hold on.
The biggest psyop the cabal pulled on the normie conservatives was to convince them that Unions are composed of lazy communists.
It's funny how when businesses consolidate and become monopolies in order to gain an advantage over the market place and lower pay overall, it's because of the free market economy.
However when workers want to do the same thing in order to get better pay and benefits, they are communists who want to subvert the market.
Yes, I'm all in for that, just pointing out that the government wont be funded by tariffs alone.
If spending were limited to Constitutional levels it would be enough.
Indeed
True; but only because there won't be any government in the next 1-2 years. The whole point of the project is to destroy it completely; starting with the Feds, moving on to the States
Agree. I am thinking similar. If other countries drop their tariffs… would we still keep any of our tariffs in place?
The U.S. government has been funded through tariffs, excise taxes, land sales, poll taxes, state and local taxes, bonds and loans, corporate taxes, payroll taxes, estate and gift taxes, and user fees and fines. That's without mentioning the income tax.
IRS, just say no...
also incentivizes other countries to drop their tariffs. Back to an even playing field. Smaller countries will always produce less goods and services. The U.S. has been paying higher tariffs and it looks like welfare to smaller countries.
Definitely true
Too early to make that call, way too early. No one knows what else is planned.
This country should be turning a profit and we should all be receiving dividends every quarter. Simple business.
I'd love to see what's already been stolen returned...
Ding!
It is not "10% across the board." You can't equate the income value from a 10% tariff on products from Grenada+..., with the value of a 34% tariff on products from China.
Even at 34% across the board, there isn't enough... I love the tariff plan, but no way the government will get by on that money. We like being the boy with the big stick too much...
Then make up the difference in federal sales tax, or get it elsewhere. Taxation on income (is theft) needs to end.
Amen
Corporate, property, consumption taxes will cover some more
I had a 'talk' with grok and there was a big difference between if DOGE cuts $1T or $2T. At $1T, it has the deficit at a normal % of GDP by 2061 (we'd be running a surplus by 2029) and income tax phased out over 10 years starting in 2029.
The $2T pipe dream that Elon initially said and backed down from (but maybe secretly still desires), changes this drastically. Income taxes can be phased out over 15 years starting immediately and with a budget surplus starting next year.
I don't have high hopes over any long term planning longer than a presidential term, but with Trump possibly running again (which will explode the few remaining lib heads) and with JD Vance's 8 years, Barron should be ready by then!
Some of the debt can be canceled, China's portion, central banks portion, etc...
For all you nay sayers...... Have you ever considered a time of "deflation " instead of "inflation"? Have you considered the boost to jobs that are coming from all the car companies, chip manufacturers, steel plants, aluminum plants, copper plants, oil and gas EXPORTS? This alone I could continue ad nauseum, but you get this point I hope. Have you ever considered all the waste and corruption that DOGE finds is $ less in taxes and hence govt spending? Have ever considered the national debt is not ours? Have you ever considered there may be no Income Tax? Have you ever considered there would be no state income or property tax? Have you ever considered that infrastructure would be built up to future looking standards? Have you ever considered a time medicine would be all about healing rather than profit? Have you considered that the federal/state/county/city government does not need to be but a fraction of its present size and yet get more done even quicker? Have you ever considered that tariffs could be way more than income tax could ever generate? Have you ever considered the glass half full? I am not mean and picking at anybody, but dang, we haven't gotten started and it seems there are those who want to throw in the towel already. I have heard stories of those who went through the depression or past wars and there are times we just have to think not in terms of what we want, but what is practicable. (Thomas Jefferson)
I'm not a naysayer, I support the tariffs, just wanting to spark conversation, because tariffs alone aren't going to fund the government as it stands even with the DOGE cuts.
I'm not ready to fall into the pits of dispair and gloom over this LOL. Let's see how the chess master works this out. Trump will get your money back and then some, as the tariffs are not 10% across the board yet. He will get America back on a level playing field first and then once we are no longer in the red, then it will be time to consider whether or not he wants to do a flat 10% tariff. Let him do what he does best though, and give him space to prove to you he knows what he is doing. After all, he is the sharp business man that politicians hate.
Not many conservatives are in despair, but the liberals are crying salty tears.
We currently overspend on healthcare by a factor of at least 3x(in reality it might be a 5-10x). A lot of medical institutions overcharge the federal government for basic care simply because they know that nobody will audit the invoices.
Same thing with military spending. Lots and lots of money laundering and overcharging.
All of that on top of fraud, on top of illegals getting benefits they shouldn't be, etc etc.
The reality is that the Federal government should slash it's spending by at least 60% due to waste, fraud and abuse. If we are to include govt reduction of agencies, that is around 75%.
So in theory, tarrifs would be able to cover that. However, there might be a corporate tax for companies that make more than say 500k a year or something like that just balance the budget.
Great comments.
What about all the funds cut from USAID? Would that be considered profit moving forward? or were those funds frm US debts?
Yeah, a great start.
The numbers i saw say just the opposite. But they come out to 2.1 trillion.
At 410 billion, you could by the IRS's own numbers knock out the 10, 12, and possibly even the 22 percentile bracket and still potentially have spare change. Seriously, 410 billion is practically no federal income tax for under $100,000.
IRS excel spreadsheet if you want to see for yourself. It is going to mostly be column 6 and 7 to look at.
Sounds good to me, we paid 12k last year.
But revenue will increase as productivity does.
Yes, me too