This was the mood in informed Moscow – only a few hours before the renewed Istanbul kabuki on Russia-Ukraine “negotiations”. Three key points.
- The attack on Russian strategic bombers – part of the nuclear triad – was a US-UK joint operation. Especially MI6. The overall tech investment and strategy was provided by this intel combo.
- It’s patently unclear whether Trump is really in charge – or not. This was confirmed to me at night by a top intel source; he added that the Kremlin and the security services were actively investigating all possibilities, especially who issued the final green light.
- Near universal popular consensus: Release the Oreshniks. Plus waves of ballistic missiles. Predictably, the Instabul kabuki came and went like a tawdry spectacle, complete with the Ukrainian delegation in military fatigues and Defense Minister Umarov incapable of speaking even mediocre English at a messy press conference after the brief 1h15 meeting. The Turkish Foreign Ministry epically described the kabuki as concluding “not negatively”. Nothing strategic or politically substantial was discussed: only prisoner exchanges. The mood in Moscow, additionally, was that top Russian negotiator Medinsky should have presented an ultimatum, not a memorandum. It was, predictably, interpreted as an ultimatum by the Beggar of Banderastan; but what Medinsky actually handed out to the Ukrainians was a de facto road map memorandum, in 3 sections, with 2 options for the conditions for a ceasefire, and 31 points, a great deal of them expressed in detail by Moscow for months. Examples: first option for a ceasefire should be a complete UAF withdrawal from DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporizhia, within 30 days; international recognition of Crimea, Donbass and Novorossiya as part of Russia; Ukraine neutrality; Ukraine holding elections and then signing a peace treaty – approved by a legally binding UN Security Council resolution (italics mine); and a ban on the receipt and deployment of nuclear weapons. None of that, of course, will ever be accepted by the terror-infused set up in Kiev, the neo-nazi outfits that control it, and assorted, fragmented collective West warmongering backers. So the SMO will go on. Possibly all the way to 2026. Along with extra versions of the Istanbul kabuki: the next one should be held by late June. The current kabuki, incidentally, composes the Last Chance Saloon for Kiev to retain some measure of – fractious – “sovereignty”. As Foreign Minister Lavrov has been reiterating, everything will be really decided in the battlefield. How to destroy the New START Treaty Now to the attack on a branch of Russia’s strategic triad – which mired Western propaganda media in layers and layers of stratospheric hysteria. The point has been made over and over again on why Russia left its strategic bombers unprotected in the tarmac. Because that’s a New START Treaty requirement – signed in 2010 and extended until February next year (when it may go six feet under, considering what just happened). The New START Treaty stipulates that strategic bombers should be visible to “national technical means (NTM) of verification, such as satellite imagery, to allow monitoring by the other party.” So their status – nuclear-armed or converted to conventional use – should be always verifiable. No chance of a “surprise” first strike. This operation single-handedly blew up what was, up to now, a decent Cold War relic preventing the start of WWIII via a simple mechanism. The recklesness involved is off the charts. So there’s no surprise that the highest echelons of power in Russia – from the Kremlin to the security apparatus – are feverishly working to ascertain whether Trump was in the loop or not. And if he was not, who gave the final green light? No wonder the highest echelon, so far, is mum. A security source told me that it was US Secretary of State Marco Rubio that called Lavrov – and not the other way around, to offer condolences for the bridge-on-train terror attack in Bryansk. No word whatsoever about the strategic bombers. In parallel, the former platoon commander in Iraq then Fox News talking head turned head of the Pentagon followed the drone attacks on the Russian bases in real-time. On the efficacy of such attacks – beyond the gleefully spun to death fog of war. Several conflicting estimates point to possibly three Tu-95MS strategic bombers – known as “The Bears” – hit at the Belaya base in Irkutsk, plus one of them partially damaged, and three other T-22M3s hit, with two of them irreparably. Of the three Tu-95MS, fires seem to have been localized, so they may be repaired. At the Olenya base in Murmansk, other four Tu-95MS may have been hit, plus one An-12. As it stands, Russia had 58 Tu-95MS up to this weekend. Even if five of them have been lost for good, that’s less than 10% of their fleet. And that does not count 19 Tu-160 and 55 Tu-22M3M. Of the five bases that were supposed to be attacked, success happened in only two. These losses, as painful as they may be, simply will not affect further strikes by Russian aero-spatial forces. Example: the standard weapon carried by a T-95MSM is the X-101 cruise missile. A maximum of 8 for each mission. In recent strikes, not more than 40 missiles have been launched simultaneously. That implies only 6 Tu-95s in action. So Russia in fact only needs 6 Tu-95MSM ready to fly to conduct strikes as intense as in the previous days and weeks. Tu-160s, moreover, are not even being used for the latest strikes. Evaluating Maximum Strategy At the time of writing, Russia’s inevitably devastating response has still not been green-lighted. This is as serious as it gets. Even if it’s true that POTUS was not informed – and that’s what the Kremlin and the security services want to be absolutely sure of before unleashing Hell from Above on Kiev – still the contours will be clear of a NATO op – US/UK – directly conducted by the CIA/MI6 intel combo, with Trump being offered plausible deniability and Ukraine breaking the START protocol big time. Were Trump to have authorized these strikes, this would constitute no less than a declaration of war by the United States on Russia. So the most probable scenario remains Trump blindsided by the neo-cons embedded in privileged silos scattered across the Beltway. As much as the attack on the Voronezh-M early warning radar system last May, an attack on Russia’s strategic bombers fits the scenario of increasingly prodding the Russian system to enable disabling it ahead of a nuclear first strike. Aspiring Dr. Strangeloves do entertain this scenario in their wildest dreams for decades. As sources carefully confirmed, the prevailing interpretation among the high echelons of power in Russia is that of a P.R. operation forcing a harsh – possibly nuclear – Russian response, coupled with Moscow’s withdrawal from the Istanbul kabuki. So far, the Russian reaction is quite methodical: total silence, a wide-ranging investigation, plus going through the motions in Istanbul. Yet there’s no question the – inevitable – response will require Maximum Strategy. If the response is in tune with Russia’s own updated nuclear doctrine, Moscow risks losing the Global South’s nearly unanimous support. If the response is lukewarm, domestic blowback will be massive. There’s a near universal consensus on “Release the Oreshniks”. Russian public opinion is becoming seriously fed up with being the target of serial terror attacks. The hour of fateful decision is getting late. Which bring us to the ultimate dilemma. Russian power is mulling how to defeat the collective warmongering West without launching WWIII. Inspired by China, a solution may be found via an alliance of remixed Sun Tzu coupled with Lao Tzu. There’s got to be a way – or layered ways – to destroy a strategy-deprived nihilistic enemy’s ability and will to wage endless war.
There really are three options, one of which is terrible, the other bad, and the third one is...5d chess or whatever.
He knew and/or approved. This is the terrible option, because he knew and/or approved a direct attack on the nuclear deterrent of THE nuclear superpower. That's just insane.
He didn't know. This is the bad option, because it means he's not in control of his administration or the IC. How can the president of the US NOT KNOW that the country HE has also been supporting with weapons AND INTELLIGENCE (including satellite info---very important) would do this? That means he's incompetent, or intentionally kept in the dark. All bad options.
The airplanes that were hit (5 confirmed out of action, a few more damaged) were actual mothballed versions (Russians have about 160 of those Tu-95s in mothball) and this was coordinated with Putin to usher in some sort of precipice. This is the far fetched 5d option but also the one that paints Trump in the best light.
if we only stick to options 1 and 2, none of them are good for Trump. He needs to take control of his administration and rogue elements of the IC/MIC/whatever other shitheads want to bring nuclear war BEFORE the Russians, that have shown enormous patience, decide to actually do what their nuclear doctrine requires them to do (and what WE would do if this had happened TO US).
What the heck is Pompeo let alone Graham doing in Ukraine? Can you remember when Pelosi decided to jet off overseas and POTUS (Trump) denied it? It was said at the time that POTUS needs to sign off on these jaunts overseas due to the jet fuel accountability for the US planes. Unless they flew private and this to me opens up a whole lot of more can of worms.
Trump hatred is off-topic on GAW.
And if you have a direct connection to a high level intel source as you claim, odds are that you're engaged in a psyop.
This is one of the reasons why I don’t make a lot of comments here, because if somebody disagrees, there is a possibility that you’ll be treated disrespectfully. It’s OK for people to have different thoughts in their mind, and to express them. It’s OK for people to ask questions, and get answers to maybe clear their mind. I don’t see any direct. I hate Trump comments from Matilda. You can be in a disagreement with somebody without being rude.
Q started on 8chan, progressed to 4chan, and the bulk of us had to endure years of Voat. Needless to say you didn't get to participate if you're thin skinned. No veteran of Q has such delicate sensibilities that they consider my comment rude.
The OP doesn't mind being rude to Trump though, does she? She essentially called Trump a traitor. Them's fighting words.
The notion that she gets to insult Trump but nobody gets to question her motives is ludicrous. Not to mention she says she's got high level intel officers whispering in her ear. What a LARP.
The Post has been poorly formatted, and mislabeled by a mod as "anon theory".
It is in fact a copy/pasta of an article by a well-known Brazilian journalist whose name, incredibly, is 'Pepe' Escobar. (His real name).
OP should have pasted the source at the top, or made it clear this was a copy/pasta. The mod who added the flair should have checked the content first before labeling it as 'anon theory', adding to the confusion that this post is somehow OP (u/matildaJ)'s own ideas and writing.
u/propertyofuniverse u/bubble_bursts
Yes, I thought it was MatildaJ's work at first.
But she has since added the source link at the bottom.
Maybe u/matildaJ you can edit it to move the source link to the top, mention Escobar and put some double line breaks in?
All in all, I'm really pleased you posted it. It's got the anons really discussing the subject of the plan.
Pompeo was there at a conference: "the Black Sea Security Forum"
https://odesaforum.org/
Graham was directly meeting with Zelenski, tho.
You’ve been very polite and considerate, considering magavoices has been really cranky. Carry on with your thought process, there’s nothing wrong with asking questions.
😜. We must all ask questions - and the great thing about this board is we are given that privilege of having our voices heard even when we don’t like what we hear.
You may just want to tweek that formatting, Matty. Cos its almost impossible to read. Just slip in some paragraph marks so that there are 2 for each paragraph, and it should help.
Smacks of [NO NAME] hob nobbing with the enemy in Syria
Hey ...who knows, maybe Blackwater was shadowing these two phags just like [NO NAME]
Options are choices. These are possibilities. Items 1 and 3 are out of the question. Item 2 is the likely answer, but there are some unwarranted assumptions, namely that US intel was needed for the act, when UK intel was certainly available and satellite reconnaissance was provided by Finnish (EU) satellites. Intel on strategic bases is not the same as intel on theater targets. I have read recently that Finland is boosting its military preparedness posture. In possible anticipation of backlash? If so, that means this scheme has been in the works for some time. (Also implied by the modus operandi of infiltrated sabotage.)
If I were Trump, I would make a very public point that "This did not come from me," and since it had to have come from other NATO members..."I am hereby voiding our membership in NATO, to be clean of any of this. Anybody who did this is trying to start World War III, which violates the original purpose of NATO."
This would remover the U.S. from the table and cancel any mutual defense treaty entanglement. The EU members would be sitting around, saying "Oops," as Trump would have removed the American umbrella and given Putin the green light to impose condign punishment.
And then subject Graham and Pompeo to a scrutiny that would make a proctoscopic examination preferable. (Since they were both former members of the armed forces, could Trump have them reinstated to service, subject to the UCMJ?)
Can you remember at a press stop where the retaliation against Ukraine has started and POTUS was angry at what Putin did? He then proceeded to lambast Putin but a journo said that there was an attempt on Putin’s life and that his helicopter had been fired upon and Trump went quiet. He then said, I didn’t know that!! Very telling.
Yes and I didn't believe that for a second. This is why I added option 3. I am unwilling to only accept options 1 and 2 because they're both bad for Trump, and for us.
There might be a bigger/more covert game being played here, between Trump & Putin. Trump definitely has the hardest fight, because he's fighting against his own people, like Graham. Well, 'his own people' nominally because I don't think Trump is a satanist, but Graham definitely is.
I’m scared for America. The neocons worldwide want Russia. I’ve seen the maps of it being divided up among EU, UK, and the US UK is right up there with NATO and America. They want this war to continue, not end. This has been going on since the Minsk Accords way back in 2014/2015. 14,000 Russian speaking civilians have been murdered at the hands of EU/UK/US weapons. When Russia entered Ukraine in 2022, it was to deNAZIFY and deMILITARISE Ukraine. Putin will not back down. Imagine if America had say Mexico send missiles into Texas or other states, killing thousands of civilians. Just remember this happened after the Soviet Union was dissolved and the new Russia was recovering after the country had been racked with political unrest. Putin has cleared the oligarchs of their left -over soviet regime etc. Lots of rebuilding, infrastructure etc. then the Minsk Accords happened. I believe this is when the neocons made their move in Ukraine with drug cartels, human trafficking, and don’t forget Bidens threats and his son being installed on the Burisma Board. Putin could see the weapons buildup after Minsk and sort to protect the Russian people caught behind Ukraine boundaries. Putin will not allow what happened in the Minsk Accords to happen again.
I’m guessing that you’re not a fan of Q and the plan.
You questioned Trump's position in your opening post. You're essentially biting the hand that is feeding you.
Make it make sense ... you're on a Q board where Trump is Q+, meanwhile you're casting doubt on Trump's position in regards to Russia.
Can we all at least come to an agreement that if Q isn't real, and Trump's participation in the Q plan isn't real, that no amount of whining about it on a Q forum is going to change anything?
And NATO has been meddling in Ukraine long before 2014. Back when he was still a young senator, Obama visited East Ukraine in order to destroy armaments, only to later arm West Ukraine. The US has been trying to rip Ukraine out of Russia's sphere of influence since the fall of the Soviet Union.
Yet you want to cast shade on Trump, "It’s patently unclear whether Trump is really in charge – or not." Thank God Trump is doing what he's doing without expecting an ounce of faith or loyalty from you for the bajillion things we know he's done for this country.
I guess its best you put that faith blindly into muh high level intel source who told you directly that muh US is evil. Certainly muh high level intel source is telling you out of the benevolence and goodness in their heart -- to divulge secrets beyond everyone's paygrade whom the data would be revealed to. Such a trustworthy messenger.
It’s almost like Trump went on a diatribe about Putin just so the “news” would bring up the attempt on Putin’s life as a way of getting a dig in on Trump, “cuz he didn’t know”, when in reality all that happened was msm ended up pointing out that an attempt was made on Putin’s life and Trump didn’t have to point it out to them. 5D chess.