A Major Truth About the Gospel this Sunday :)
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God is good, His mercy endureth forever. He came to seek and to save that which was lost. He gives you free will to choose the destination of your soul. Yes, there is a real Heaven and a real hell. Choose you this day whom you will serve.
God wants communion with us, and he will allow us to choose him. If we choose not to be with him, with love, he will grant us that desire. And thus we will be without God and without what is of God. Leaving you to be in an ungodly place full of what is not of God. No love, no joy, no comfort, no rest.
We were born sinners... but don't have to die as one
Sorry. That's one big area I totally disagree with. We LEARN to sin. A brand new baby? no I will never believe that. God made us perfect; it's the world that pollutes.
Do you have to teach a child to lie? or to steal a cookie when mom and dad aren't looking?
Or do have to teach them not to?
Is it actually lying or stealing when it’s done with a complete lack of understanding? I think not.
Yes it is. Ignorance isn't an excuse. It isn't in your life now as an adult and it never was. Should you weigh it when teaching a child? Absolutely but not indefinitely.
If you kill someone and it’s an accident is it murder?
If I tell someone something that isn’t true, but I had no idea it wasn’t true am I lying??
Accidents aren't ignorance its negligence.
And again ignorance isn't enough of an excuse to preclude wrong doing.
Yeah and an accident doesn’t equal lying, lying is intensional and intent defines the act.
Interesting questions. I responded, but deleted my reply as I wanted to spend more effort on my response.
Question: Did an adult lie to them first? Did Dad steal a cookie from the cookie jar and tell his daughter not to tell Mom? Do Mom and Dad model good character themselves?
I had the most beautiful grand daughter 16 mos ago. When you look at them and marvel at God's gift to my son's family, I don't, no I won't accept, that she was "born a sinner". I won't go in to my past, but the whole fire and brimstone sh*t and then you can be forgiven, well that's a different subject. But this saying is part of it.
I've been researching "language" and how it's used. Visualize a baby with "Born a Sinner" label written on her forehead. That's straight up manipulation to me. You can preach to me all you (not you Fren, but the general you out there) want. Nothing would make me back down that position. Have you ever visualized the most beautiful gift God can give you and a response is, "we're all born sinners?"
Society doesn't become immoral from babies. It works by osmosis, imo from current society. How many clueless parents model bad behavior?
Because we've been lied to about everything, maybe my perspective will resonate with others and instead of starting our lives from a negative light of being "sinners", maybe we can start from an affirming and uplifting dimension.
A couple counterpoints if I may: Firstly The child hasn't yet sinned, its an inclination to sin that's is inherent.
God's most beautiful gift is forgiveness. We all can have it, its on you to accept it (and its rather uplifting)
Lastly everything isnt a lie there are plenty sure but not everything (thinking that way when its untrue is very uplifting)
God bless you and your children and theirs
TY for engaging. I understand the first point, but let's change the language to something that's appropriately defined. It's a deceptive statement. When will the sin happen? Being born a sinner is a different statement than we all have a propensity to sin after birth.
Yes, God is uplifting, but first we should call a newborn baby a sinner. Beat me down so I can lift you up? I have a long history in the church and, to me, it's about control. God is different than the church (little c intended).
You are correct as nothing is 100%, but the majority was lies, is lies, and will continue for generations unless we the people take our world back. ❤️
I appreciate the conversation, Fren. I so enjoy being a grandparent. I look back and wonder how I ever did everything. So glad to be off that hamster wheel.
May God bless you and yours.
People are born idiots, we have to recognize this to be able to something about it. No fault of your own but your cross to bear. Sin is much the same.
As for control yeah many churches lean heavy that way. Which were you in if i may ask?
And the lies wont stop but we can get better at seeing them
Well Fren, we disagree. I don't believe any baby is born a sinner OR an idiot.
Born means to come into existence. I believe when they are born it's a clean slate.
The concept of "sins of the father" is addressed in several Bible verses, highlighting both the consequences of parental sin and the individual responsibility for one's own actions. For instance, Exodus 20 states, "For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments". This passage suggests that the effects of sin can extend to future generations. However, Ezekiel 18 clarifies, "The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself". This verse emphasizes individual accountability for one's actions. Additionally, Deuteronomy 24 states, "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin". This reinforces the idea that each person is responsible for their own sins. These verses reflect a complex view of sin and its consequences, balancing the idea of generational impact with personal responsibility.
If you believe in the Bible as the word of God you don’t get to pick and chose what verses you believe.
"If you believe in the Bible as the word of God you don’t get to pick and chose what verses you believe."
God gave ME free will. God will judge me, not anyone else.
I am sorry but my autistic brain must ask: "Why does God allow hell to exist at all?"
exactly.And if God is a jealous god as the OT tells us...how can he be perfect?
It is out of love and desire for you to follow the narrow path.
The ancient Israelites didn't believe in hell.
If it doesn't He is not just.
And His love endures forever. 🙏🏼
Amen! 🙏🙌
Nobody sends anybody to hell but themselves
It’s interesting that this way of thinking is still being promoted here while simultaneously the psyop is rolling out a completely different idea/understanding of creation and spirituality.
*If you’re still in this paradigm you’ve yet to break free from the constraints that have been placed on humanity to keep you from achieving your full potential.
He offers the Way, Jesus, the Christ. We are free to accept or reject Him. One way........
Preach it brother!