Agreed. The notion that we all get beamed up without experiencing death is absurd. For the spirit to be released, the body must perish. Simple as such.
Enoch walked with God, God took him, he did not die. Elijah did not die, chariot of fire took him. When you take into consideration that there are at least 10 dimensions and we can only experience/identify 4, there are possibilities beyond our comprehension. What did Jacob see in his dream at Bethel? What did the people build at Babel and why?
You may be right. I've read (not sure where) the real evolution was the creator(God)building a body that could hold a piece of the creator (the soul). This is why we are so special
Indeed, Ive read and discussed similar thoughts to what you just espoused. Which, is an excellent segway to Christ being martyred. God placed themself into an autonomous human body in order to show the rest of humanity that they sacrificed themself for all the rest.
This belief in the rapture, also called premillennial dispensationalism or darbyism, was virtually unheard of for about 1800 years and something close to it was indeed condemned as heresy back in the third century.
So when and where did belief in the rapture actually start and how did it grow to become the prevalent view in modern Evangelical churches? I'll unpack this for you briefly:
In 1909 the first study Bible with footnotes that explained passages and had eschatological (the fancy word for views of the end times) positions was published and distributed.... With the support of the Rothschilds.
Because it was the first Bible of its kind and because of the reasonable cost and publishers (again, the Rothschild family) availability and distribution, it was widely adopted by pastors and seminaries alike. Seminary students finally had a cliff notes built into the Bible. Those students became pastors. They taught and preached this position. And so on and so on.
A couple of hundred years later and it is the prevalent position and view of the end times.... That not a single one of our founding fathers shared.
Now why would the Jewish Rothschilds want to put Israel Central to Future fulfillment of prophecy and make it important for Christians when a majority of the world was christian? Geez I don't know /s
Let's look at the result of believing in the rapture shall we?
Look at what Christians did before this belief that Christians lose down here and there's really no point in thinking and planning generations ahead. They started projects and missions that they're great great grandchildren would have to finish. Laying the foundations of churches and businesses that they might never see completed in their lifetimes. Taking Dominion over all spheres of influence from government to entertainment.
Contrast that with today where Christians that believe in the rapture sometimes get almost giddy or celebrate when they hear about wars and rumors of wars and when things get worse. They see that as a sign that it's almost time to get yeeted up into heaven.
They aren't thinking 50 plus years into the future. They aren't thinking of the world they want to leave behind for their grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
Basically they think they're on the Titanic and have a seat on a lifeboat so they're certainly not going to be polishing any brass on that sinking ship.
In my opinion the rapture is the greatest lie the devil has ever interjected into the church. It has absolutely neutered the modern Church.
God wins. Jesus's blood bought everything, from government, to entertainment, to Christmas and Toyotathon. Everything belongs to Christ.
Daniel and Revelation was talking about the upcoming destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD by Rome's armies. Jesus even said this generation shall not pass till all these things take place. And not one stone was left on top of another when he came on the clouds in judgment in that localized destruction.
So what does the Bible say that's left and what is coming in the future?
The Bible tells us that as to the expanse of God's kingdom there shall be no end. Jesus seceded at the right hand of the father making all of his enemies his footstool. (That's God's favorite Bible verse and appears in scripture more than any other)
The Bible tells us that in the last days (before final judgment) it will be like in the days of Noah. I'm sure most you realize that the ark was symbolic of Christ, if not now you know. Those that were in the ark were safe from God's judgment. Those that were not (in Christ) were essentially swept off the Earth in a watery judgment. But God promises they'll never be another flood so that eliminates water as the form of the final judgment.
So what will it look like? Well...Jesus gives us a hint as a parable about the wheat and the tares (tares were weeds that looks like wheat) this parable was about believers and unbelievers. They are all together and fire is introduced and it burns away the tares while the wheat remains. Sounds like a fiery judgment but it doesn't say that the wheat is raptured away, it says the wheat remains after the fire.
This is what Christians believed for about 1800 years before how rich globalist Jewish family influenced and changed how Christians view the end times. This is what our founding fathers believed.
I'll give one of my favorite examples of what people did before they believed in the rapture:
Cologne Cathedral in Germany: construction started in 1248 and wasn’t finished until 1880 — a span of over 630 years.... While a total of 17 different wars played out, amongst other signs that modern dispensationalists would have claimed that it meant the rapture was near if that view of the end times was prevalent back then.
🚨 Mother Agapia believes “The Rapture” is a False Christian Belief promoted from "new theology" in the 1800’s without roots in foundational Christianity
• In discussing Christian Zionism's desire to rebuild the Temple on the Temple Mount, Mother Agapia describes the belief in the rapture as a key component of their theology.
• She explains that this idea stems from a 19th-century interpretation originating in the 1830s with figures like John Nelson Darby and Cyrus Scofield, who promoted a "new theology" without roots in foundational Christianity.
• According to her, Christian Zionists believe they will be "swooped up into heaven" during end-times events, avoiding the chaos of a third world war or global conflict, only to return after the fighting ends. She calls this a "false belief" and a heresy condemned by the early Church in 381 AD at the Council of Constantinople, emphasizing there is no literal thousand-year kingdom or future millennium to await.
• She argues this theology denies Christ's fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies, promotes division over compassion, and justifies actions like supporting Israel's expansion, which she sees as contrary to true Christian values.
How This Ends?
• Mother Agapia states that the outcome depends on collective action, particularly from Christians in the United States, as U.S. policy holds the key to Israel's actions.
• She urges political change: Christians must wake up, demand an end to unconditional support for Israel, and push for a sovereign Palestinian state with defined borders, possibly through a two-state solution or confederation. Wealthy Arab nations like Saudi Arabia and Qatar could fund Gaza's reconstruction as a Palestinian-led project, not a "Riviera" for outsiders, allowing self-development without Israeli military presence.
• Without this, she warns of continued ethnic cleansing, slow starvation, or forced transfer of Palestinians, leading to a third world war or major global conflict.
• Spiritually, she calls for living by Christ's principles of compassion, tolerance, and love, preparing for judgment rather than pursuing earthly kingdoms or rebuilding the Temple.
Of course he did. It's one of his primary teachings. Jesus is as New Age as it gets. He literally promised a New Heaven and a New Earth.
The problem is that modern Christians are following Church doctrine, not Jesus's teachings. They repeat 1 or 2 verses which are inaccurate representations of what he said.
"There is no way to the father but through me"
First of all, what does this have to do with being murdered for God? Nothing. So why do modern Christians disregard his teachings in favor of a pagan blood sacrifice?
Jesus spoke Aramaic. No one tries to research what he really said because it reverses much of what the Church taught.
He said ABWOON (Source) not ABBA (Father). His entire message was about God being within us. There is no way to Source but to go within. His message is the only way, not worship of angry gods ordering murder and slavery (anunnaki). Not once did Jesus refer to Yahweh-Jehovah as God.
Jesus didn't say he would return to rule this world as a king, he said he'd take us where he is. A place where "many mansions" are prepared (5D Earth).
What will happen? "in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed".... "One will be taken and one will be left behind." (People will vanish)
How will we know it's coming? "At that time they will see the Son of Man (like humans) coming in a cloud with power and great glory (UFOs). When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
Jesus didn't practice blood rituals to God so he couldn't have been a final sacrifice to his own God. He never mentioned Yahweh or Jehovah at all. He didn't claim he was going to die for our sins. In the story, he didn't volunteer, he was betrayed.
He taught that God was within and we will do even greater miracles. Modern Christians mindlessly repeats slogans like "Jesus is King", and are clearly believe more in the power of demons than angels.
Jesus didn't create religion. He didn't travel around telling people he was God. He said the kingdom of God is within us, that we are gods too, and we will do greater miracles than he did.
Church doctrine is brainwashing to keep you away from what Jesus taught.
Alright, let’s roll up our sleeves and address this grab-bag of Gnostic reinterpretations, New Age word-salad, and conspiracy garnish.
“Jesus didn’t teach ascension.”
Well, that’s awkward, because the guy literally ascended. Luke 24:51 and Acts 1:9 are fairly explicit. Unless “was taken up into heaven” is Aramaic for “relocated to a fifth-dimensional crystal realm,” we’re dealing with a plain historical claim. And in the postmillennial frame, that ascension was the enthronement of Christ at the right hand of the Father (Psalm 110:1; Daniel 7:13-14), which is precisely why the Kingdom grows like leaven until the nations are discipled. That is not “New Age” unless you think Isaiah and David were running yoga retreats.
“Jesus was as New Age as it gets… God is within us.”
Jesus did not teach “you are God” in the Oprah sense. He taught that the Spirit dwells in believers (John 14:17), which is entirely different from a “divine spark” pantheism. Postmillennialists agree the Kingdom is within and among us (Luke 17:21), but that’s because the King is presently reigning, not because we all just need to “go within” and find our inner Source. If your “Source” sounds like something you can order at a vegan juice bar, you’re not exegeting the text — you’re projecting your worldview onto it.
“No pagan blood sacrifice.”
The claim that the cross is a “pagan blood ritual” is like saying oxygen is a Roman conspiracy because soldiers also breathed it. The entire Old Testament sacrificial system (instituted by Yahweh Himself) points to Christ as the Lamb of God (Isaiah 53, John 1:29). Jesus repeatedly predicted His death for sins (Mark 10:45; Matthew 26:28), not as an unfortunate betrayal He hadn’t factored in. In the postmillennial perspective, that death is the very hinge on which history turns, because it broke Satan’s authority (John 12:31-32), setting in motion the gradual discipling of the nations.
“Jesus never mentioned Yahweh or Jehovah.”
This is historically and linguistically illiterate. Every time Jesus quoted the Old Testament, He was invoking the covenant God of Israel — and doing so as the Son who shares His name and glory (John 17:5-6). In fact, in John 8:58 He directly takes the divine name for Himself (“Before Abraham was, I am”). That’s not Him quietly handing out business cards for the Anunnaki. That’s Him identifying with Yahweh in the flesh.
“Many mansions = 5D Earth.”
That’s not exegesis; that’s numerology with a sci-fi budget. “Many rooms” in John 14 refers to the covenantal dwelling place of God with man, ultimately fulfilled in the New Heavens and New Earth (Revelation 21). Postmillennialists would note that this isn’t about evacuating to a sky-resort but about the eventual full arrival of God’s presence with His people here, after the knowledge of the Lord has covered the earth.
“One taken, one left” = people vanish in UFOs.
Context check: in Luke 17 and Matthew 24, the “taken” are the ones judged, just like in the days of Noah when the flood “took” them away. Being “left” is the good outcome. Swapping “flood” for “flying saucer” is not hermeneutics, it’s fan fiction.
“Jesus didn’t create religion… didn’t claim to be God.”
He didn’t create religion; He fulfilled it. And His claim to deity is woven through all four Gospels. You have to work very hard to miss it — and by “work hard” I mean “snip out large portions of text and replace them with something you found on a Reddit UFO thread.”
Postmillennial punchline:
The irony here is that the “Jesus” being presented is basically a galactic life coach who came to tell us to think positive and wait for a cosmic Uber to the 5th dimension. The biblical Jesus, enthroned now, is reigning until every enemy is put under His feet (1 Corinthians 15:25). That reign grows in history, not retreats into an inner meditative bubble. The New Heavens and New Earth aren’t a spiritual escapism — they are the culmination of Christ’s victorious Kingdom advancing in real space-time.
I love posts like the one you are responding to. People that are SOOO confident in their false beliefs like to list them out as the OP did. Clearly nothing you say will jar this know-it-all from their positions. But it gives well spoken people like you the opportunity to set the record straight and educate those whose heart's are prepared to believe....
This is the logic that comes from not reading the Bible lol. If that were true, you'd be seeing many Biblical scholars coming to the same conclusions. The reality is none of that is true, and if you want to see someone with that heretical mindset get absolutely dog walked, watch Billy Carson and Wes Huffs debate that happened earlier this year.
I know too many extremely notable biblical historians that agree there is going to be a rapture.
The preachers that just preach the word, like Philip Anthony Mitchell,
agree and preach on the rapture. If it was just a rumor started in the 1800's, i dont think most Christians would believe it.
I don't think you understand the history of this belief and can really wrap your head around it yet. Let me help you out a little bit....
This belief in the rapture, also called premillennial dispensationalism or darbyism, was virtually unheard of for about 1800 years and the beginning of it were condemned as heresy back in the third century.
In 1909 the first study Bible with footnotes that explained passages and had eschatological (the fancy word for views of the end times) positions was published and distributed.... With the support of the Rothschilds.
Because it was the first Bible of its kind and because of the reasonable cost and publishers (again, the Rothschild family) availability and distribution, it was widely adopted by pastors and seminaries alike. Seminary students finally had a cliff notes built into the Bible. Those students became pastors. They taught and preached this position. And so on and so on.
A couple of hundred years later and it is the prevalent position and view of the end times.... That not a single one of our founding fathers shared.
Now why would the Jewish Rothschilds want to put Israel Central to Future fulfillment of prophecy and make it important for Christians when a majority of the world was christian? Geez I don't know /s
Speaking of KJV, I watched an absolutely amazing video last night of a guy that used the patterns in the KJV to convince Groke that the Bible was divinely inspired.
I realize it's a long video but as a theology guy I rarely stumble across anything that's this damn interesting and informative on the subject of the Bible. I learned quite a bit
Modern Christianity is Satanic. Worship Jesus under threat of Hell lol. Yeah fuck that. Sounds like the original Mystic and Gnostic Christians believe Jesus was the first human to awaken to the larger truth and Jesus' true purpose is to awaken humanity as a whole not be worshipped like a bad king. This means you must take your salvation into your own hands while realizing Christ consciousness is a state of being we can all attain.
She’s obviously right. Completely aligns with Jesus message. Love thy neighbour, love thy enemy. Blessed are the peacemakers. The kingdom of heaven in within us. Not in temples of stone.
The rapture and Zionism don’t align with Jesus teachings.
It doesn't matter what the hell this person believes. God doesn't need her permission to do things. Anyone who believes her bunk will miss out on it.....
The rapture, the act itself, came from the Greek word harpazo that is in the original Greek New Testament. It means to seize or snatch away. They used harpazo because its meaning is the equivalent to the action described in the Hebrew texts. As far as the thousand years she spoke of,
Revelation 20:4 in my original 1615 bible reads (I'm using the spellings from the text): "And I saw 7 seates: and they sate upon them, and I saw the soules of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which did not worship the beast, neither his image, neither had taken his marke upon their foreheads or on their hands: and they lived, and reigned with Christ for a thousand yeare.". I'm sharing that to show that this wasn't a new theology pushed by Scofield.
Also, if you research The First Council of Constantinople in 381 - the thousand years was not discussed. They were discussing the Doctrine of the Holy Spirit and reaffirming the Nicene Creed. (Google AI will give you different answers based on what your search terms are so I used The Papal Encyclicals Online & others.)
I tend to agree with her. The rapture sounds alittle silly with all the people being sucked up out of their Graves and all
Agreed. The notion that we all get beamed up without experiencing death is absurd. For the spirit to be released, the body must perish. Simple as such.
Enoch walked with God, God took him, he did not die. Elijah did not die, chariot of fire took him. When you take into consideration that there are at least 10 dimensions and we can only experience/identify 4, there are possibilities beyond our comprehension. What did Jacob see in his dream at Bethel? What did the people build at Babel and why?
You may be right. I've read (not sure where) the real evolution was the creator(God)building a body that could hold a piece of the creator (the soul). This is why we are so special
Indeed, Ive read and discussed similar thoughts to what you just espoused. Which, is an excellent segway to Christ being martyred. God placed themself into an autonomous human body in order to show the rest of humanity that they sacrificed themself for all the rest.
Truly amazing! Blessings to you fren.
This belief in the rapture, also called premillennial dispensationalism or darbyism, was virtually unheard of for about 1800 years and something close to it was indeed condemned as heresy back in the third century.
So when and where did belief in the rapture actually start and how did it grow to become the prevalent view in modern Evangelical churches? I'll unpack this for you briefly:
In 1909 the first study Bible with footnotes that explained passages and had eschatological (the fancy word for views of the end times) positions was published and distributed.... With the support of the Rothschilds.
Because it was the first Bible of its kind and because of the reasonable cost and publishers (again, the Rothschild family) availability and distribution, it was widely adopted by pastors and seminaries alike. Seminary students finally had a cliff notes built into the Bible. Those students became pastors. They taught and preached this position. And so on and so on.
A couple of hundred years later and it is the prevalent position and view of the end times.... That not a single one of our founding fathers shared.
Now why would the Jewish Rothschilds want to put Israel Central to Future fulfillment of prophecy and make it important for Christians when a majority of the world was christian? Geez I don't know /s
Let's look at the result of believing in the rapture shall we?
Look at what Christians did before this belief that Christians lose down here and there's really no point in thinking and planning generations ahead. They started projects and missions that they're great great grandchildren would have to finish. Laying the foundations of churches and businesses that they might never see completed in their lifetimes. Taking Dominion over all spheres of influence from government to entertainment.
Contrast that with today where Christians that believe in the rapture sometimes get almost giddy or celebrate when they hear about wars and rumors of wars and when things get worse. They see that as a sign that it's almost time to get yeeted up into heaven.
They aren't thinking 50 plus years into the future. They aren't thinking of the world they want to leave behind for their grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
Basically they think they're on the Titanic and have a seat on a lifeboat so they're certainly not going to be polishing any brass on that sinking ship.
In my opinion the rapture is the greatest lie the devil has ever interjected into the church. It has absolutely neutered the modern Church.
God wins. Jesus's blood bought everything, from government, to entertainment, to Christmas and Toyotathon. Everything belongs to Christ.
Daniel and Revelation was talking about the upcoming destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD by Rome's armies. Jesus even said this generation shall not pass till all these things take place. And not one stone was left on top of another when he came on the clouds in judgment in that localized destruction.
So what does the Bible say that's left and what is coming in the future?
The Bible tells us that as to the expanse of God's kingdom there shall be no end. Jesus seceded at the right hand of the father making all of his enemies his footstool. (That's God's favorite Bible verse and appears in scripture more than any other)
The Bible tells us that in the last days (before final judgment) it will be like in the days of Noah. I'm sure most you realize that the ark was symbolic of Christ, if not now you know. Those that were in the ark were safe from God's judgment. Those that were not (in Christ) were essentially swept off the Earth in a watery judgment. But God promises they'll never be another flood so that eliminates water as the form of the final judgment.
So what will it look like? Well...Jesus gives us a hint as a parable about the wheat and the tares (tares were weeds that looks like wheat) this parable was about believers and unbelievers. They are all together and fire is introduced and it burns away the tares while the wheat remains. Sounds like a fiery judgment but it doesn't say that the wheat is raptured away, it says the wheat remains after the fire.
This is what Christians believed for about 1800 years before how rich globalist Jewish family influenced and changed how Christians view the end times. This is what our founding fathers believed.
I'll give one of my favorite examples of what people did before they believed in the rapture:
Cologne Cathedral in Germany: construction started in 1248 and wasn’t finished until 1880 — a span of over 630 years.... While a total of 17 different wars played out, amongst other signs that modern dispensationalists would have claimed that it meant the rapture was near if that view of the end times was prevalent back then.
Good points.
Makes me want to refer to The Rapture as the Great Yeeting now. Kek.
Yeah I love saying that. I'm near 50 but I found that word entirely humorous and have Incorporated it into my vocabulary.
She is not the only one! So don't base your conclusions on one person. Disparaging her does not prove the Rapture!
Exactly.
Anon said it best:
https://greatawakening.win/p/19Bt7DeM3p/x/c/4eVKnMlUWPZ
The Rapture is some santa clause shit
All of the naysayers will one day believe the Rapture theology, as soon as they are left behind.
Mother Agapia is nuts.
🚨 Mother Agapia believes “The Rapture” is a False Christian Belief promoted from "new theology" in the 1800’s without roots in foundational Christianity
• In discussing Christian Zionism's desire to rebuild the Temple on the Temple Mount, Mother Agapia describes the belief in the rapture as a key component of their theology.
• She explains that this idea stems from a 19th-century interpretation originating in the 1830s with figures like John Nelson Darby and Cyrus Scofield, who promoted a "new theology" without roots in foundational Christianity.
• According to her, Christian Zionists believe they will be "swooped up into heaven" during end-times events, avoiding the chaos of a third world war or global conflict, only to return after the fighting ends. She calls this a "false belief" and a heresy condemned by the early Church in 381 AD at the Council of Constantinople, emphasizing there is no literal thousand-year kingdom or future millennium to await.
• She argues this theology denies Christ's fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies, promotes division over compassion, and justifies actions like supporting Israel's expansion, which she sees as contrary to true Christian values.
How This Ends?
• Mother Agapia states that the outcome depends on collective action, particularly from Christians in the United States, as U.S. policy holds the key to Israel's actions.
• She urges political change: Christians must wake up, demand an end to unconditional support for Israel, and push for a sovereign Palestinian state with defined borders, possibly through a two-state solution or confederation. Wealthy Arab nations like Saudi Arabia and Qatar could fund Gaza's reconstruction as a Palestinian-led project, not a "Riviera" for outsiders, allowing self-development without Israeli military presence.
• Without this, she warns of continued ethnic cleansing, slow starvation, or forced transfer of Palestinians, leading to a third world war or major global conflict.
• Spiritually, she calls for living by Christ's principles of compassion, tolerance, and love, preparing for judgment rather than pursuing earthly kingdoms or rebuilding the Temple.
Interesting reply:
https://x.com/Kabamur_Taygeta/status/1662111028740767744
"Jesus didn't teach ascension"
Of course he did. It's one of his primary teachings. Jesus is as New Age as it gets. He literally promised a New Heaven and a New Earth.
The problem is that modern Christians are following Church doctrine, not Jesus's teachings. They repeat 1 or 2 verses which are inaccurate representations of what he said.
"There is no way to the father but through me"
First of all, what does this have to do with being murdered for God? Nothing. So why do modern Christians disregard his teachings in favor of a pagan blood sacrifice?
Jesus spoke Aramaic. No one tries to research what he really said because it reverses much of what the Church taught.
He said ABWOON (Source) not ABBA (Father). His entire message was about God being within us. There is no way to Source but to go within. His message is the only way, not worship of angry gods ordering murder and slavery (anunnaki). Not once did Jesus refer to Yahweh-Jehovah as God.
Jesus didn't say he would return to rule this world as a king, he said he'd take us where he is. A place where "many mansions" are prepared (5D Earth).
What will happen? "in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed".... "One will be taken and one will be left behind." (People will vanish)
How will we know it's coming? "At that time they will see the Son of Man (like humans) coming in a cloud with power and great glory (UFOs). When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
Jesus didn't practice blood rituals to God so he couldn't have been a final sacrifice to his own God. He never mentioned Yahweh or Jehovah at all. He didn't claim he was going to die for our sins. In the story, he didn't volunteer, he was betrayed.
He taught that God was within and we will do even greater miracles. Modern Christians mindlessly repeats slogans like "Jesus is King", and are clearly believe more in the power of demons than angels.
Jesus didn't create religion. He didn't travel around telling people he was God. He said the kingdom of God is within us, that we are gods too, and we will do greater miracles than he did.
Church doctrine is brainwashing to keep you away from what Jesus taught.
Alright, let’s roll up our sleeves and address this grab-bag of Gnostic reinterpretations, New Age word-salad, and conspiracy garnish.
Postmillennial punchline: The irony here is that the “Jesus” being presented is basically a galactic life coach who came to tell us to think positive and wait for a cosmic Uber to the 5th dimension. The biblical Jesus, enthroned now, is reigning until every enemy is put under His feet (1 Corinthians 15:25). That reign grows in history, not retreats into an inner meditative bubble. The New Heavens and New Earth aren’t a spiritual escapism — they are the culmination of Christ’s victorious Kingdom advancing in real space-time.
I award you a gold star for Extreme Mordancy and Wit. You earn my envy.
Thank you! I like to write for the same reason a dog likes to bark, it's just my nature.
...he said, woofingly.
Most excellent argument of the true Christ of the Bible. Thank you
I love posts like the one you are responding to. People that are SOOO confident in their false beliefs like to list them out as the OP did. Clearly nothing you say will jar this know-it-all from their positions. But it gives well spoken people like you the opportunity to set the record straight and educate those whose heart's are prepared to believe....
Well said!
Well said
Now thats what I call apologetics. My hat is off to you
Well I do go to Apologia Church :-)
This is the logic that comes from not reading the Bible lol. If that were true, you'd be seeing many Biblical scholars coming to the same conclusions. The reality is none of that is true, and if you want to see someone with that heretical mindset get absolutely dog walked, watch Billy Carson and Wes Huffs debate that happened earlier this year.
I know too many extremely notable biblical historians that agree there is going to be a rapture. The preachers that just preach the word, like Philip Anthony Mitchell, agree and preach on the rapture. If it was just a rumor started in the 1800's, i dont think most Christians would believe it.
I don't think you understand the history of this belief and can really wrap your head around it yet. Let me help you out a little bit....
This belief in the rapture, also called premillennial dispensationalism or darbyism, was virtually unheard of for about 1800 years and the beginning of it were condemned as heresy back in the third century.
In 1909 the first study Bible with footnotes that explained passages and had eschatological (the fancy word for views of the end times) positions was published and distributed.... With the support of the Rothschilds.
Because it was the first Bible of its kind and because of the reasonable cost and publishers (again, the Rothschild family) availability and distribution, it was widely adopted by pastors and seminaries alike. Seminary students finally had a cliff notes built into the Bible. Those students became pastors. They taught and preached this position. And so on and so on.
A couple of hundred years later and it is the prevalent position and view of the end times.... That not a single one of our founding fathers shared.
Now why would the Jewish Rothschilds want to put Israel Central to Future fulfillment of prophecy and make it important for Christians when a majority of the world was christian? Geez I don't know /s
Which is why those of us who grew up with the Geneva (1557) and King James (1611) Bibles are not much affected by this.
Speaking of KJV, I watched an absolutely amazing video last night of a guy that used the patterns in the KJV to convince Groke that the Bible was divinely inspired.
I realize it's a long video but as a theology guy I rarely stumble across anything that's this damn interesting and informative on the subject of the Bible. I learned quite a bit
https://youtu.be/nLO6BQY_lj0?si=jOn2YXc_byzOFdUg
This
Modern Christianity is Satanic. Worship Jesus under threat of Hell lol. Yeah fuck that. Sounds like the original Mystic and Gnostic Christians believe Jesus was the first human to awaken to the larger truth and Jesus' true purpose is to awaken humanity as a whole not be worshipped like a bad king. This means you must take your salvation into your own hands while realizing Christ consciousness is a state of being we can all attain.
She’s obviously right. Completely aligns with Jesus message. Love thy neighbour, love thy enemy. Blessed are the peacemakers. The kingdom of heaven in within us. Not in temples of stone.
The rapture and Zionism don’t align with Jesus teachings.
It doesn't matter what the hell this person believes. God doesn't need her permission to do things. Anyone who believes her bunk will miss out on it.....
Yeah 1900 years worth of Christians from St Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Pope Pius X, Martin Luther, John Calvin etc. didn’t believe in the rapture.
This is ordinary Orthodox point of view.
The rapture, the act itself, came from the Greek word harpazo that is in the original Greek New Testament. It means to seize or snatch away. They used harpazo because its meaning is the equivalent to the action described in the Hebrew texts. As far as the thousand years she spoke of,
Revelation 20:4 in my original 1615 bible reads (I'm using the spellings from the text): "And I saw 7 seates: and they sate upon them, and I saw the soules of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which did not worship the beast, neither his image, neither had taken his marke upon their foreheads or on their hands: and they lived, and reigned with Christ for a thousand yeare.". I'm sharing that to show that this wasn't a new theology pushed by Scofield.
Also, if you research The First Council of Constantinople in 381 - the thousand years was not discussed. They were discussing the Doctrine of the Holy Spirit and reaffirming the Nicene Creed. (Google AI will give you different answers based on what your search terms are so I used The Papal Encyclicals Online & others.)
That's a man. A psychotic, lying man.
Many like her, and on here, try putting boundries on God, who lives outside of time and space.
Its a fool's errand to say what God can/can't/will/won't/did/didnt do.
Thats why a saving faith is paramount in our spiritual security. It's al contained within the Word. A living book.
I sometimes wonder is the whole "Anti-Christ" stuff a lie.