The same goes for many appointed Government Roles from the Municipal level on up. You don’t need any remotely relevant experience to the role.
Several Counties for example that have suffered disasters over the past few years have gotten dinged. Because their Emergency Management Coordinators didn’t have any qualifications whatsoever in Emergency Management. Not even an Online Certificate. At least one of them didn’t even have a Degree. They were purely there as rewards for donors to the campaigns of the County Executive/Board. It mostly got buried by other news surrounding the disasters though.
I just mean that given the depth of decay in the education systems I think a degree is as useless as a HS diploma for determining the competency of potential staff.
I like Trump's idea of bringing back the civil service exam.
CAN A TOTALLY INEXPERIENCED PERSON BECOME A FEDERAL JUDGE?
Believe it or not, the U.S. Constitution sets forth no specific requirements about who can become a federal judge.
Federal judges include Supreme Court justices, court of appeals judges, and district court judges. These are all nominated by the President and confirmed by the United States Senate. They are all appointed for a life term. A federal judge is not even required to possess a law degree! U.S. Bankruptcy Court and federal Magistrate Judges are selected differently, and do not have life terms.
Although there are no legal requirements, an informal set of criteria has arisen for nominating federal judges. Potential nominees are often recommended by senators or sometimes by members of the House who are in the President’s political party.
First, candidates are subjected to thorough background checks conducted by the Department of Justice and the FBI. Those with judicial experience will have their past opinions carefully examined. Former litigators will have their performance and tactics closely scrutinized.
Any published writings, including papers dating back to college, will also be reviewed. A candidate’s public views on certain issues are also subject to scrutiny, including any social media presence.
The American Bar Association’s committee on the federal judiciary also reviews each candidate’s integrity, competence, temperament and experience. The ABA issues ratings of “well qualified,” “qualified,” or “not qualified.” The ABA’s endorsement is not necessary for confirmation but can help attract more votes for confirmation.
Recently, President Trump nominated a 36-year old lawyer, Brett Talley, to a federal district judgeship in Alabama. Although Mr. Talley graduated from Harvard Law School and was a deputy assistant attorney general at the Justice Department, he had never tried a case in any court.
Mr. Talley had also never argued a motion in Federal District Court. Mr. Talley was only the second nominee to receive the “not qualified” rating unanimously from the American Bar Association.
Since 1989, the association has unanimously rated only two other judicial nominees as not qualified. The Trump administration later announced that his nomination would not be moving forward.
Another Trump nominee, Matthew Petersen, withdrew his nomination to the to be a United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia after receiving criticism for his poor performance during his confirmation hearing.
At his confirmation hearing, which went viral, Petersen was unable to answer the most basic questions about law, such as what a motion in limine or the Daubert standard was. Petersen admitted he had never handled a jury trial of any kind or argued a motion in state or federal court.
Of course, there are federal judges who have not tried cases before a jury. In 2010 Nancy Freudenthal was nominated to Wyoming District Court by President Barack Obama, but had never tried a case before a jury. Ms. Freudenthal was confirmed by the Senate, 96 to 1.
NON-JUDGES ON THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT
In fact, America has a long history of even non-judge Supreme Court Justices. There are no set rules for qualification to sit on the Supreme Court. Although every past justice has been a lawyer, 41 of the 109 justices had no prior judicial experience.
Former Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, John Marshall, is revered for his decision in Marbury v. Madison (1803), which is credited with making the Supreme Court a co-equal branch of government by exercising judicial review firmly over acts of Congress.
But before joining the Supreme Court in 1801 had almost no formal schooling and studied law for only six weeks. He had never served a day as any kind of judge and lost the only case he argued at the Supreme Court.
Highly respected Supreme Court Justices William Rehnquist, Felix Frankfurter, Earl Warren, and Louis Brandeis all had no prior judicial experience prior to joining the highest court in the land. Who is qualified to sit on the Supreme Court is a determination made on a nominee by nominee basis by at least 51 US senators.
Ketanji Jackson Brown. Tell me she's a law scholar, please!!!!! That woman wouldn't even know how to wrap up a healthy pile of doggie crap in newspaper. Yet her IQ test was a little north of zero, but not by much.
I do know this because a scam artist that I knew in 1997 who had attended several courses at law school, and several at med school, and was pretending to be an attorney or a dr. depending upon the need, and claiming to be 20 years younger than his real age after he got cosmetic surgery, then joined a local police department, got involved in a suspicious shooting, moved to Montana, and was freaking appointed to judgeship through bullshit alone! Wow would I ever love to include his name here. He is a real son of a bitch.
We might all be surprised as how many “judicial/lawfare etc are not required to have any experience or qualifications— explains a lot about the last 20-25 years or more
Law degrees weren't a thing back when the Constitution was written. Like every other job fields, what we had were apprenticeships. Medical school, law school, etc weren't extra schools a college graduate went to. They didn't require an undergraduate degree. They were universities anyone who passed the entrance exam could go to. Then, after graduation, they would apprentice under a registered and experienced professional before being sent off on their own. It wasn't until the universities started adopting the Rockefeller model of schooling that they started requiring undergrad educations PLUS entrance exams.
One started out as a secretary, then moved up to being a paralegal/research assistant, then moved up to arguing cases in court under supervision. After about 5-7 or more years, they would sit in front of the BAR and be grilled unmercilously until the BAR was satisfied you were knowledgeable and "honorable" enough to join their club.
Every industry, from law to medical to engineering to banking/finance, etc worked this way until around the post Civil War Reconstruction Era.
Rockefeller, his lawyer buddies, and his fellow Robber Barons changed all of that when they started their philanthropic efforts. That's when you see a bunch of universities spring up all over the country claiming to specialize in teaching cutting edge science, medical, and legal "theory." It just so happens that those same future lawyers, doctors, and scientists ended up being funded professionally by Rockefeller, et al once they graduated.
If true...this ultimately is OUR fault as we have let our elected representatives nominate the candidates "selected" by those controlling the House and Senate
Good! And it should remain that way. Having a Law Degree doesn’t always make for a good judge. It should be an open appointment. Being a lawyer may bring certain biases. Why can not a good businessman, Farmer, or Doctor apply law fairly and without bias. I would like to see more people blue and non blue collar workers to have the opportunity to. Granted it’s not for everyone, but being fair and impartial is not solely a lawyers realm.
Yes actually I knew that.
The same goes for many appointed Government Roles from the Municipal level on up. You don’t need any remotely relevant experience to the role.
Several Counties for example that have suffered disasters over the past few years have gotten dinged. Because their Emergency Management Coordinators didn’t have any qualifications whatsoever in Emergency Management. Not even an Online Certificate. At least one of them didn’t even have a Degree. They were purely there as rewards for donors to the campaigns of the County Executive/Board. It mostly got buried by other news surrounding the disasters though.
Lots of retards with degrees, lots of geniuses without one.
My point being. They didn’t even have any thing one would expect as a bare minimum for the position.
I just mean that given the depth of decay in the education systems I think a degree is as useless as a HS diploma for determining the competency of potential staff.
I like Trump's idea of bringing back the civil service exam.
Sounds exactly like my county.
CAN A TOTALLY INEXPERIENCED PERSON BECOME A FEDERAL JUDGE?
Believe it or not, the U.S. Constitution sets forth no specific requirements about who can become a federal judge.
Federal judges include Supreme Court justices, court of appeals judges, and district court judges. These are all nominated by the President and confirmed by the United States Senate. They are all appointed for a life term. A federal judge is not even required to possess a law degree! U.S. Bankruptcy Court and federal Magistrate Judges are selected differently, and do not have life terms.
Although there are no legal requirements, an informal set of criteria has arisen for nominating federal judges. Potential nominees are often recommended by senators or sometimes by members of the House who are in the President’s political party.
First, candidates are subjected to thorough background checks conducted by the Department of Justice and the FBI. Those with judicial experience will have their past opinions carefully examined. Former litigators will have their performance and tactics closely scrutinized.
Any published writings, including papers dating back to college, will also be reviewed. A candidate’s public views on certain issues are also subject to scrutiny, including any social media presence.
The American Bar Association’s committee on the federal judiciary also reviews each candidate’s integrity, competence, temperament and experience. The ABA issues ratings of “well qualified,” “qualified,” or “not qualified.” The ABA’s endorsement is not necessary for confirmation but can help attract more votes for confirmation.
Recently, President Trump nominated a 36-year old lawyer, Brett Talley, to a federal district judgeship in Alabama. Although Mr. Talley graduated from Harvard Law School and was a deputy assistant attorney general at the Justice Department, he had never tried a case in any court.
Mr. Talley had also never argued a motion in Federal District Court. Mr. Talley was only the second nominee to receive the “not qualified” rating unanimously from the American Bar Association.
Since 1989, the association has unanimously rated only two other judicial nominees as not qualified. The Trump administration later announced that his nomination would not be moving forward.
Another Trump nominee, Matthew Petersen, withdrew his nomination to the to be a United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia after receiving criticism for his poor performance during his confirmation hearing.
At his confirmation hearing, which went viral, Petersen was unable to answer the most basic questions about law, such as what a motion in limine or the Daubert standard was. Petersen admitted he had never handled a jury trial of any kind or argued a motion in state or federal court.
Of course, there are federal judges who have not tried cases before a jury. In 2010 Nancy Freudenthal was nominated to Wyoming District Court by President Barack Obama, but had never tried a case before a jury. Ms. Freudenthal was confirmed by the Senate, 96 to 1.
NON-JUDGES ON THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT
In fact, America has a long history of even non-judge Supreme Court Justices. There are no set rules for qualification to sit on the Supreme Court. Although every past justice has been a lawyer, 41 of the 109 justices had no prior judicial experience.
Former Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, John Marshall, is revered for his decision in Marbury v. Madison (1803), which is credited with making the Supreme Court a co-equal branch of government by exercising judicial review firmly over acts of Congress.
But before joining the Supreme Court in 1801 had almost no formal schooling and studied law for only six weeks. He had never served a day as any kind of judge and lost the only case he argued at the Supreme Court.
Highly respected Supreme Court Justices William Rehnquist, Felix Frankfurter, Earl Warren, and Louis Brandeis all had no prior judicial experience prior to joining the highest court in the land. Who is qualified to sit on the Supreme Court is a determination made on a nominee by nominee basis by at least 51 US senators.
https://www.robertreeveslaw.com/blog/federal-judge/
Lawyers are a guild, and it is good that they don't have a monopoly on judgeships.
Non legal people making legal judgments. Explains a lot
Ketanji Jackson Brown. Tell me she's a law scholar, please!!!!! That woman wouldn't even know how to wrap up a healthy pile of doggie crap in newspaper. Yet her IQ test was a little north of zero, but not by much.
I do know this because a scam artist that I knew in 1997 who had attended several courses at law school, and several at med school, and was pretending to be an attorney or a dr. depending upon the need, and claiming to be 20 years younger than his real age after he got cosmetic surgery, then joined a local police department, got involved in a suspicious shooting, moved to Montana, and was freaking appointed to judgeship through bullshit alone! Wow would I ever love to include his name here. He is a real son of a bitch.
Coroners too.
So how do we get a message to Trump to get us appointed as judges in our area?
...political position...
We might all be surprised as how many “judicial/lawfare etc are not required to have any experience or qualifications— explains a lot about the last 20-25 years or more
Or a US citizen apparently.
Law degrees weren't a thing back when the Constitution was written. Like every other job fields, what we had were apprenticeships. Medical school, law school, etc weren't extra schools a college graduate went to. They didn't require an undergraduate degree. They were universities anyone who passed the entrance exam could go to. Then, after graduation, they would apprentice under a registered and experienced professional before being sent off on their own. It wasn't until the universities started adopting the Rockefeller model of schooling that they started requiring undergrad educations PLUS entrance exams.
One started out as a secretary, then moved up to being a paralegal/research assistant, then moved up to arguing cases in court under supervision. After about 5-7 or more years, they would sit in front of the BAR and be grilled unmercilously until the BAR was satisfied you were knowledgeable and "honorable" enough to join their club.
Every industry, from law to medical to engineering to banking/finance, etc worked this way until around the post Civil War Reconstruction Era.
Rockefeller, his lawyer buddies, and his fellow Robber Barons changed all of that when they started their philanthropic efforts. That's when you see a bunch of universities spring up all over the country claiming to specialize in teaching cutting edge science, medical, and legal "theory." It just so happens that those same future lawyers, doctors, and scientists ended up being funded professionally by Rockefeller, et al once they graduated.
If true...this ultimately is OUR fault as we have let our elected representatives nominate the candidates "selected" by those controlling the House and Senate
I actually knew that too and had to prove it a couple years ago. But thank you! 😁👍🇺🇲
Because you could have saved $150,000 on an education you could have got for a buck fifty of late charges at the public library.
Good! And it should remain that way. Having a Law Degree doesn’t always make for a good judge. It should be an open appointment. Being a lawyer may bring certain biases. Why can not a good businessman, Farmer, or Doctor apply law fairly and without bias. I would like to see more people blue and non blue collar workers to have the opportunity to. Granted it’s not for everyone, but being fair and impartial is not solely a lawyers realm.
Ok, I can get onboard with that angle. But not foreign females.
And to that I’ll agree!
Thank you for the information. That explains a lot.
I didn’t know that either. It’s farcical. We have been taught that judges are the pinnacle of society, the most highly educated and wise among us.
What a joke the civil service are.
Evidently you don't have be born in America either!