Matthew 7:23 (NKJV) - “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Lawlessness/Iniquity/Unrighteousness/Transgression of the Law
ἀνομία (G458)
Outline of biblical usage
the condition of without law
— because ignorant of it
— because of violating it
— contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Reconcile.
Matthew 5:17 (KJV) - Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
What is fulfil?
πληρόω (G4137)
Outline of Biblical Usage:
to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full
to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally
to render full, i.e. to complete
to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full measure, fill to the brim
to consummate: a number
to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise
Reconcile.
Matthew 5:18 (KJV) - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wisepass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Spanish for “Saturday” - “Sabado”, or “Sabbath”
Indonesian – Sabtu
Tagalog (Philippines) – Sabado
Latin – Sabbatum (ancient Latin also used Sabata)
Italian – Sabato
Spanish – Sabado
Portuguese – Sabado
Greek – Savatoh
Koine Greek – Sabbata and Sabbaton (koine Greek was spoken from about 300 BC to 300 AD)
Russian – Subota
Polish – Sobota
Arabic – Al Sabt
Somali (East Africa) – Sabti
Mandingo also called Mandinka (West Africa) – Sibiti
Ormo or Galla (East Africa) – Sanbata tenna
Kisii, also called Gusii or Ekegusii (Africa) – Esabato
In modern Greece, Friday is called paraskevi or Preparation day.
Exodus 20:9-10 - Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
If we are to turn over the third commandment, which of the others is next?
Abandon what you’ve been taught by your church, whatever church it may be. Neither take my word. Dig into the scriptures and test them.
Christians do not keep the Sabbath.
“What would Jesus do?”
Jesus kept the Sabbath. Jesus kept the Feasts. The apostles kept the Feasts after the crucifixion. If they kept the Feasts, under what logic would they abandon the Sabbath, which is the foremost of them?
Jesus was under the old law. He kept it perfectly. But when the new kingdom came on the Day of Pentecost in the upper room, Peter and the apostles preached the gospel in different languages, and 3000 plus were added to the brand new established kingdom of God. We were no longer under a system of law keeping, but rather one of grace and forgiveness. Read Acts. It is clear that we are now in the Kingdom of God, with Jesus at the head of the new Church of Christ. The first day of the week is now the day of gathering.
Jesus was under the old law. He kept it perfectly.
Er, no.
Jesus was criticized by the Jewish leaders because he 'failed to hold the Sabbath'.
But, personally, I think there is a massive misunderstanding in a lot of modern Christianity about how they (we) interpret Paul's words.
What Jesus came to teach was an upgrade, and an upgraded way of relating to God, the Father.
The Laws kept by the Israelites were God's commandment to them; and in holding to them, they fulfilled their responsibility to practice faith in God. But the basis of those laws was still God's transcendental truths. For example, the Ten Commandments.
eg Do not commit murder. This fundamental principle has not changed nor was it 'swept away' when Jesus taught the Gospels and ushered in (opened for humanity) a higher, upgraded relationship with God.
It just meant that we can honor God and get closer to God through Jesus standard and by uniting with the Gospels.
Aka we become 'justified' to God by keeping the word of the Gospel (aka faith in Christ and living the Gospel), on a level that supercedes the mere keeping of the ten commandments.
But, the principle behind 'keeping the Sabbath' is still very real. It is grounded in that transcendental truth that God has expressed first thru the Commandments and then upgraded via Christ. (These will be upgraded when Christ returns, to a higher, new dimension. which is why as Christians, we cannot simply think, oh, we're all ok, just because we have spiritual salvation. We're waiting for, and preparing for, that upgrade when Christ returns. But if we're not ready.... oh.... "depart from me you evil doers!" )
The principle of the Sabbath is to take the time to focus on God, honor God in the quietness of my heart. If all of humanity took one day to reflect on, focus on, God, God's word, God's love, etc, the world would be transformed much more quickly. At least, that's what I believe.
I do not believe that I have to practice the 'Sabbath' in order to qualify for God's love or receive his forgiveness, BUT I do believe that he gave that instruction/guidance to the Israelites for a very good and important reason.
The principle of the Sabbath is to take the time to focus on God, honor God in the quietness of my heart. If all of humanity took one day to reflect on, focus on, God, God's word, God's love, etc, the world would be transformed much more quickly. At least, that's what I believe.
As a simple example, expressed by the OP, the "sabbath" is a lesson in "creation". "Creation" occurs in our imagination. The "day of rest" is in relaxing and knowing what you have imagined will come to pass as you wish. This is the "esoteric" meaning of the sabbath.
The core distinction between the mainstream "exoteric" interpretation of scripture and the mystical "esoteric" interpretation, is one of disempowerment versus empowerment. One need not look any further than every other mainstream institution to recognize this pattern of deception. Whether it be our government, legal, economic, academic, religious or medical institutions, all have been expertly designed to brainwash the masses into outsourcing their natural sovereignty and internal "knowing" to an outside source. Whether it be the institutionally degreed, accredited, ordained, or licensed "experts and authorities", or still further, to a man who lived two-thousand years ago or something else that sits afar and apart from us. In all cases, the exoteric presentation of all our institutions has trained humanity to look "out there" for its answers. Precisely in the opposite direction to where all our answers actually exist.
This single deception, defined by the controlling cabal as the "liberal agenda", which I call "victim consciousness", is a perfect inversion of how reality actually works. Whether it be a government official, lawyer, professor, doctor, minister, priest or Jesus or God looked to for answers, the end result is a profound sense of helplessness and powerlessness as we deny and dismiss our own perfectly tuned inner-knowing. Within this inversion our natural free will is ultimately violated as we are forced to disregard our instinct and intution in favor of intellectual BELIEVING.
And make no mistake, that's precisely what's going on -> BELIEVING. What scripture meant by "belief or faith" bears no resemblance to how these words are understood today. Today, a BELIEF is an abstract idea, concept or thought that resides exclusively within the smallest, newest and least important aspect of our "mind". It was meant to only occupy 1% of our attention when added to the human being. Intuition and instinct were always meant to be the dominant aspects of "mind".
This is precisely what the "fall from grace" or "fall of man" is referencing. To "eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil" is to JUDGE. "Knowledge" represents intellectual thought-fodder, almost none of which is needed, let alone required to operate in this earthly realm. Judgment naturally leads to fear. And it is these two energies, fear and judgment, that destroy man.
I would greatly expand upon the other quote you shared regarding "the purpose of the sabbath". Focusing upon God/Love/Heart is the reversal of the fall from grace. It's not something to be done one day a week for an hour or two, it's something to be practiced during all our waking hours. Heart-Based-Awareness (HBA) is our NATURAL STATE. We find ourselves in it when we are laughing, playing, relaxing, enjoying, enthusiastically working, perfecting a craft, hobby, musical talent, sport with inspiration. These are all examples of natural HBA.
To "focus on God" simply means to withdraw your focus on primarily the incessant monkey-mind thought-stream, but also on what your five senses are reporting upon from "out there". In short, your attention is redirected "within", where scripture tells us "God" or "Christ" exists quite accurately. HBA is a subtle, gentle, effortless shift that requires discipline and vigilance. It's simple, but not easy as we were all deeply brainwashed into allowing our attention to drift and settle upon the monkey-mind thought-stream.
This HBA practice redirects our attention, or "awareness" back to "God", which is effectively our intuition and instinct, the vital parts of our "minds" that are largely ignored by the masses. That "still, small voice" is always available and speaking to us. You simply have to hold your attention on it in order to hear it. Unlike the endlessly chattering monkey-mind, this intuitive voice speaks quietly, softly and doesn't incessantly repeat itself.
"God" is "love" through and through. "Loving awareness" to be more precise. And as such, "God gives us more of what we focus upon, what we place our attention upon. If our attention is on the monkey-mind, fear, judgment, hate, blame, condemnation, anger, self-devaluation, uncertainty, worry and doubt abound. Such is the nature of the monkey-mind - RESISTANCE. When these energies are BELIEVED TO BE TRUE, we feel badly. It is in the "feeling badly" that our Christ intuition is communicating its disagreement with these "satanic" thoughts we are entertaining.
As the pithy sayings go; "where your attention (awareness), a.k.a. "love" goes, energy grows. And likewise, "that which you RESIST, persists".
Thus, more "focus on God" grows your feelings of love, kindness, compassion, understanding, humility, charity, etc. which I call the "Jesus energies". Unlike the satanic energies of RESISTANCE, the nature of these is one of ALLOWANCE/ACCEPTANCE. It is easy to distinguish between the two, once again, by how you FEEL when entertaining them.
The "sabbath" is indeed the period of total relaxation and enjoyment after you FEEL LIKE your desires are "on the way". It is a "knowing" quite apart from BELIEVING. As such, scritpure takes on a whole new meaning if you can make this leap;
Matthew 21:22 - "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”
To "pray" is to FEEL LIKE you have what you desire. it is not to "want" or "wish for". And this is how you "pray without ceasing". You move through your daily activities in the KNOWING/FEELING of your wish fulfilled.
And to BELIEVE is to have complete TRUST that your wish has already been fulfilled, as it has in the metaphysical realm. It merely takes time to manifest into physical form. The only thing that can prevent the materialization of your wish is, of course, 'satan", which can best be described as what I call the "FUD-Monster" - Fear, uncertainty and doubt. I prefer to use the word "worry" instead of fear as so many people misunderstand what "fear" represents. Therefore, to worry or doubt is to have COMPLETE TRUST in not getting what you want as you waste your all-valuable attention (love) on intellectually thinking about a future you do not desire.
Herein lies the caricature of the devil on the left shoulder and the angel on the right. The "great battle" between Christ and Satan. Do you trust that all your desires can be achieved, as your heart and intuition tell you, or do you trust the outer "experts and authorities" and their intellectual knowledge fodder giving you all the reasons why you can't have what you want?
The "sabbath" is reached when you FEEL fully confident and are sure your wishes will be RECEIVED. I call this state "receptive mode", which is synonymous with the "sabbath". There is no more "work" needed to be done in imagination and now we can relax and enjoy the fruits of our currently manifested desires. All along the way, from the seed of the desire to its fruition, the path is lined with ease, grace and FEELING GOOD. When we aren't feeling good, that's your soul or Christ communicating to you that you're off the path of least resistance (most allowance).
You have all the power. And your power is "Love", the nature and essence of "God". You have been gifted with unlimited use of this power to create the life of your dreams. The more you employ it, the better life gets for you. The more you unwittingly allow the intellectual thought-stream to interfere with your desires, the worse life gets for you.
And your ability to wield the greatest power in the universe starts with SELF-LOVE. The more you love yourself, the easier everything gets. And loving yourself includes the good, bad and ugly you currently define. Your body, you appearance, your bad habits, your tough days, your weaknesses, etc. All of it needs and is begging to be loved by you. This is what many people call 'shadow work". Which is really this simple. Can you love all aspects of yourself unconditionally? The new age "unconditional love" phrase effectively means to ALLOW/ACCEPT yourself as you currently are.
As you get better at this, the judgment you project onto others and the world at large begins to diminish with equal rapidity. All that complaining, blaming, criticizing and hating of "others out there" fades into the background. And when you notice this, your ability "live the life of your dreams" really begins to accelerate in seemingly miraculous ways. Because all that nasty judgment we spew out onto others and the world at large is really us projecting aspects of ourselves that we have not yet come to love and accept as they are.
An esoteric lesson in scriptural interpretation for your consideration and contemplation.
Namaste (As I see/feel the Christ in me, I see/feel the Christ in you)
Paul was a Pharisee, and was confronted on the road to Damascus by Jesus from heaven. He became the most prolific writer of the books of the New Testament! He suffered for the cause of Christ more than any other. I have no idea why anyone would proclaim him a false teacher.
Tricky point. The real crux of the matter, Paul makes abundantly clear himself:
Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
Paul openly and unabashedly admitted that he doesn't see the whole picture. Accordingly, his perspective, while powerfully instructive, cannot be taken as perfect truth.
Despite this, Paul foresaw a future point where he, and we, would be 'upgraded' in our understanding to the point that 'I shall know fully, even as I am fully known'.
I ask myself, who is the one who 'knows' Paul, fully? That is the Father and Jesus.
To me, what Paul is foreshadowing is that as part of God's divine plan, there will be a stage and a point in its unfolding when we will come to know and understand ourselves (and the rest of the providence) as God does.
I believe that when Christ returns, this is the upgrade he will bring. The third and final installment. The entire purpose of the Gospel is to help humanity to prepare and be ready for when Christ returns. Not being ready will have difficult consequences.
In any case, to call Paul a false teacher misses the point. God an Christ used Paul to lay down many key, important aspects of the New Word, the Gospel (aka the New Testament) as guidance for Christians during the long period (as it turns out) of waiting and preparing for Christ's return.
Paul isn’t a false teacher, he’s just very difficult (remember, he was converting Pharisees, who were a bit like Lawyers), and easy to misconstrue from our lacking modern contexts and translations.
Paul, as taught, is false (edit: in parts). Jesus, as recorded, is very straightforward, but ignored in favor of misunderstanding Paul. I don’t claim to understand why.
2 Peter 3:15-16 - 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest (as they do also the other scriptures) unto their own destruction.
I.e. People take Paul out of context, leading to their own destruction, but this is also not unique to Paul. I may have taken another verse out of Biblical context, via poor translation, earlier today even myself - it is important to always test things.
Reconcile.
Lawlessness/Iniquity/Unrighteousness/Transgression of the Law
Reconcile.
Matthew 5:17 (KJV) - Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
What is fulfil?
Reconcile.
Exodus 20:9-10 - Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
If we are to turn over the third commandment, which of the others is next?
Abandon what you’ve been taught by your church, whatever church it may be. Neither take my word. Dig into the scriptures and test them.
Christians do not keep the Sabbath.
“What would Jesus do?”
Jesus kept the Sabbath. Jesus kept the Feasts. The apostles kept the Feasts after the crucifixion. If they kept the Feasts, under what logic would they abandon the Sabbath, which is the foremost of them?
Look for yourself.
Jesus was under the old law. He kept it perfectly. But when the new kingdom came on the Day of Pentecost in the upper room, Peter and the apostles preached the gospel in different languages, and 3000 plus were added to the brand new established kingdom of God. We were no longer under a system of law keeping, but rather one of grace and forgiveness. Read Acts. It is clear that we are now in the Kingdom of God, with Jesus at the head of the new Church of Christ. The first day of the week is now the day of gathering.
Er, no.
Jesus was criticized by the Jewish leaders because he 'failed to hold the Sabbath'.
But, personally, I think there is a massive misunderstanding in a lot of modern Christianity about how they (we) interpret Paul's words.
What Jesus came to teach was an upgrade, and an upgraded way of relating to God, the Father.
The Laws kept by the Israelites were God's commandment to them; and in holding to them, they fulfilled their responsibility to practice faith in God. But the basis of those laws was still God's transcendental truths. For example, the Ten Commandments.
eg Do not commit murder. This fundamental principle has not changed nor was it 'swept away' when Jesus taught the Gospels and ushered in (opened for humanity) a higher, upgraded relationship with God.
It just meant that we can honor God and get closer to God through Jesus standard and by uniting with the Gospels.
Aka we become 'justified' to God by keeping the word of the Gospel (aka faith in Christ and living the Gospel), on a level that supercedes the mere keeping of the ten commandments.
But, the principle behind 'keeping the Sabbath' is still very real. It is grounded in that transcendental truth that God has expressed first thru the Commandments and then upgraded via Christ. (These will be upgraded when Christ returns, to a higher, new dimension. which is why as Christians, we cannot simply think, oh, we're all ok, just because we have spiritual salvation. We're waiting for, and preparing for, that upgrade when Christ returns. But if we're not ready.... oh.... "depart from me you evil doers!" )
The principle of the Sabbath is to take the time to focus on God, honor God in the quietness of my heart. If all of humanity took one day to reflect on, focus on, God, God's word, God's love, etc, the world would be transformed much more quickly. At least, that's what I believe.
I do not believe that I have to practice the 'Sabbath' in order to qualify for God's love or receive his forgiveness, BUT I do believe that he gave that instruction/guidance to the Israelites for a very good and important reason.
u/TheMindBlownZone
I think you two are both hitting on very important aspects that even among most observing the Biblical Sabbath is not in focus yet, but it will be.
May righteousness abound on the Earth. Amen.
The core distinction between the mainstream "exoteric" interpretation of scripture and the mystical "esoteric" interpretation, is one of disempowerment versus empowerment. One need not look any further than every other mainstream institution to recognize this pattern of deception. Whether it be our government, legal, economic, academic, religious or medical institutions, all have been expertly designed to brainwash the masses into outsourcing their natural sovereignty and internal "knowing" to an outside source. Whether it be the institutionally degreed, accredited, ordained, or licensed "experts and authorities", or still further, to a man who lived two-thousand years ago or something else that sits afar and apart from us. In all cases, the exoteric presentation of all our institutions has trained humanity to look "out there" for its answers. Precisely in the opposite direction to where all our answers actually exist.
This single deception, defined by the controlling cabal as the "liberal agenda", which I call "victim consciousness", is a perfect inversion of how reality actually works. Whether it be a government official, lawyer, professor, doctor, minister, priest or Jesus or God looked to for answers, the end result is a profound sense of helplessness and powerlessness as we deny and dismiss our own perfectly tuned inner-knowing. Within this inversion our natural free will is ultimately violated as we are forced to disregard our instinct and intution in favor of intellectual BELIEVING.
And make no mistake, that's precisely what's going on -> BELIEVING. What scripture meant by "belief or faith" bears no resemblance to how these words are understood today. Today, a BELIEF is an abstract idea, concept or thought that resides exclusively within the smallest, newest and least important aspect of our "mind". It was meant to only occupy 1% of our attention when added to the human being. Intuition and instinct were always meant to be the dominant aspects of "mind".
This is precisely what the "fall from grace" or "fall of man" is referencing. To "eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil" is to JUDGE. "Knowledge" represents intellectual thought-fodder, almost none of which is needed, let alone required to operate in this earthly realm. Judgment naturally leads to fear. And it is these two energies, fear and judgment, that destroy man.
I would greatly expand upon the other quote you shared regarding "the purpose of the sabbath". Focusing upon God/Love/Heart is the reversal of the fall from grace. It's not something to be done one day a week for an hour or two, it's something to be practiced during all our waking hours. Heart-Based-Awareness (HBA) is our NATURAL STATE. We find ourselves in it when we are laughing, playing, relaxing, enjoying, enthusiastically working, perfecting a craft, hobby, musical talent, sport with inspiration. These are all examples of natural HBA.
To "focus on God" simply means to withdraw your focus on primarily the incessant monkey-mind thought-stream, but also on what your five senses are reporting upon from "out there". In short, your attention is redirected "within", where scripture tells us "God" or "Christ" exists quite accurately. HBA is a subtle, gentle, effortless shift that requires discipline and vigilance. It's simple, but not easy as we were all deeply brainwashed into allowing our attention to drift and settle upon the monkey-mind thought-stream.
This HBA practice redirects our attention, or "awareness" back to "God", which is effectively our intuition and instinct, the vital parts of our "minds" that are largely ignored by the masses. That "still, small voice" is always available and speaking to us. You simply have to hold your attention on it in order to hear it. Unlike the endlessly chattering monkey-mind, this intuitive voice speaks quietly, softly and doesn't incessantly repeat itself.
"God" is "love" through and through. "Loving awareness" to be more precise. And as such, "God gives us more of what we focus upon, what we place our attention upon. If our attention is on the monkey-mind, fear, judgment, hate, blame, condemnation, anger, self-devaluation, uncertainty, worry and doubt abound. Such is the nature of the monkey-mind - RESISTANCE. When these energies are BELIEVED TO BE TRUE, we feel badly. It is in the "feeling badly" that our Christ intuition is communicating its disagreement with these "satanic" thoughts we are entertaining.
As the pithy sayings go; "where your attention (awareness), a.k.a. "love" goes, energy grows. And likewise, "that which you RESIST, persists".
Thus, more "focus on God" grows your feelings of love, kindness, compassion, understanding, humility, charity, etc. which I call the "Jesus energies". Unlike the satanic energies of RESISTANCE, the nature of these is one of ALLOWANCE/ACCEPTANCE. It is easy to distinguish between the two, once again, by how you FEEL when entertaining them.
The "sabbath" is indeed the period of total relaxation and enjoyment after you FEEL LIKE your desires are "on the way". It is a "knowing" quite apart from BELIEVING. As such, scritpure takes on a whole new meaning if you can make this leap;
Matthew 21:22 - "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”
To "pray" is to FEEL LIKE you have what you desire. it is not to "want" or "wish for". And this is how you "pray without ceasing". You move through your daily activities in the KNOWING/FEELING of your wish fulfilled.
And to BELIEVE is to have complete TRUST that your wish has already been fulfilled, as it has in the metaphysical realm. It merely takes time to manifest into physical form. The only thing that can prevent the materialization of your wish is, of course, 'satan", which can best be described as what I call the "FUD-Monster" - Fear, uncertainty and doubt. I prefer to use the word "worry" instead of fear as so many people misunderstand what "fear" represents. Therefore, to worry or doubt is to have COMPLETE TRUST in not getting what you want as you waste your all-valuable attention (love) on intellectually thinking about a future you do not desire.
Herein lies the caricature of the devil on the left shoulder and the angel on the right. The "great battle" between Christ and Satan. Do you trust that all your desires can be achieved, as your heart and intuition tell you, or do you trust the outer "experts and authorities" and their intellectual knowledge fodder giving you all the reasons why you can't have what you want?
The "sabbath" is reached when you FEEL fully confident and are sure your wishes will be RECEIVED. I call this state "receptive mode", which is synonymous with the "sabbath". There is no more "work" needed to be done in imagination and now we can relax and enjoy the fruits of our currently manifested desires. All along the way, from the seed of the desire to its fruition, the path is lined with ease, grace and FEELING GOOD. When we aren't feeling good, that's your soul or Christ communicating to you that you're off the path of least resistance (most allowance).
You have all the power. And your power is "Love", the nature and essence of "God". You have been gifted with unlimited use of this power to create the life of your dreams. The more you employ it, the better life gets for you. The more you unwittingly allow the intellectual thought-stream to interfere with your desires, the worse life gets for you.
And your ability to wield the greatest power in the universe starts with SELF-LOVE. The more you love yourself, the easier everything gets. And loving yourself includes the good, bad and ugly you currently define. Your body, you appearance, your bad habits, your tough days, your weaknesses, etc. All of it needs and is begging to be loved by you. This is what many people call 'shadow work". Which is really this simple. Can you love all aspects of yourself unconditionally? The new age "unconditional love" phrase effectively means to ALLOW/ACCEPT yourself as you currently are.
As you get better at this, the judgment you project onto others and the world at large begins to diminish with equal rapidity. All that complaining, blaming, criticizing and hating of "others out there" fades into the background. And when you notice this, your ability "live the life of your dreams" really begins to accelerate in seemingly miraculous ways. Because all that nasty judgment we spew out onto others and the world at large is really us projecting aspects of ourselves that we have not yet come to love and accept as they are.
An esoteric lesson in scriptural interpretation for your consideration and contemplation.
Namaste (As I see/feel the Christ in me, I see/feel the Christ in you)
We can have this discussion elsewhere if you want, but don’t want to eat up all the space here going back and forth.
It tends to not precisely be a short discussion.
Thank you very much! (You said it both more simply and more powerfully than I would have!).
Kek was looking for another comment with a YouTube link and noticed a lot of downdoots came behind me on this.
Funny how they didn’t present any arguments to go with them!
🧐
Indeed!! (If you would like to read my points on this they are here:
https://greatawakening.win/p/1AR0Q64lCG/x/c/4eWbmtSMU4L
and here:
https://scored.co/c/Christianity/p/1AR0Q64lOc/the-charlie-kirk-final-challenge/c/4eWbmy92HEC
Nice!
https://greatawakening.win/p/1AR0Q64lCG/x/c/4eWc5wwX0Ex
I do get a bit wound up with the “careful, legalism” argument.
Ah, yes. Let’s all just be gods unto ourselves!
I am in awe at this happening.
Absolutely in awe. Had no idea.
They won’t listen and cannot reconcile.
They are deceived by the Traditions of Men.
The choice to know will be yours.
Love this!!! Thank you! Paul is a false teacher. Focus only on Jesus!
Paul was a Pharisee, and was confronted on the road to Damascus by Jesus from heaven. He became the most prolific writer of the books of the New Testament! He suffered for the cause of Christ more than any other. I have no idea why anyone would proclaim him a false teacher.
Per my note below, because he’s taught falsely. His writings are not false, though.
Edit: More detail for the downdooters: https://greatawakening.win/p/1AR0Q64lCG/x/c/4eWbmtZAJ1f
Tricky point. The real crux of the matter, Paul makes abundantly clear himself:
Paul openly and unabashedly admitted that he doesn't see the whole picture. Accordingly, his perspective, while powerfully instructive, cannot be taken as perfect truth.
Despite this, Paul foresaw a future point where he, and we, would be 'upgraded' in our understanding to the point that 'I shall know fully, even as I am fully known'.
I ask myself, who is the one who 'knows' Paul, fully? That is the Father and Jesus.
To me, what Paul is foreshadowing is that as part of God's divine plan, there will be a stage and a point in its unfolding when we will come to know and understand ourselves (and the rest of the providence) as God does.
I believe that when Christ returns, this is the upgrade he will bring. The third and final installment. The entire purpose of the Gospel is to help humanity to prepare and be ready for when Christ returns. Not being ready will have difficult consequences.
In any case, to call Paul a false teacher misses the point. God an Christ used Paul to lay down many key, important aspects of the New Word, the Gospel (aka the New Testament) as guidance for Christians during the long period (as it turns out) of waiting and preparing for Christ's return.
$0.02
Paul isn’t a false teacher, he’s just very difficult (remember, he was converting Pharisees, who were a bit like Lawyers), and easy to misconstrue from our lacking modern contexts and translations.
Paul, as taught, is false (edit: in parts). Jesus, as recorded, is very straightforward, but ignored in favor of misunderstanding Paul. I don’t claim to understand why.
2 Peter 3:15-16 - 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest (as they do also the other scriptures) unto their own destruction.
I.e. People take Paul out of context, leading to their own destruction, but this is also not unique to Paul. I may have taken another verse out of Biblical context, via poor translation, earlier today even myself - it is important to always test things.