I am a Christian, they are Mormons. There is a difference. No, they should not be shot, of course not. Somehow though, I do not feel this is an "anti Christian" act. I am getting very sad about these false flags, though. Let us pray for our nation this Sabbath Sunday.
Over all mormons are good people, at least the ones I know. They just have a different Gospel and define Jesus differently than what the Bible teaches.
The LDS are Christians. We are a subsect of Christianity, and we still hold Christian values. "Mormon" isn't even the proper name. It's "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints".
There's a difference, but not one that's so large as to suggest that an attack on an LDS church is not an "anti-Christian attack".
To be a Christian, one must believe in and confess the Nicene Creed or the Apostles' Creed, which affirm core tenets of the faith, including belief in one God, Jesus Christ as the Son of God who died, rose, and will return, and the Holy Spirit.
Belief in these truths, particularly in Jesus as the Lord, is central to the Christian faith.
You are not a Christian. Smith said the Creeds were an abomination.
You can call yourself one but men call themselves women nowadays and that doesn't make it true either.
You do not believe the most basic tenets of the Christian faith.
While it may be true that many Christian denominations define orthodoxy by the early creeds, from an LDS perspective, Christianity is defined by following Jesus Christ himself. We believe in Him as the Son of God, the Savior, and as our Redeemer; we strive to live up to His gospel. That’s why we identify as Christian.
It’s true we don’t frame doctrine the same way the Nicene or Apostles’ Creed does, especially regarding the Trinity. But difference in interpretation doesn’t erase our faith in Christ. In fact, by your definition, only creedal churches would count as Christian, yet historically, the word has always described anyone who accepts and follows Jesus as Lord.
Except Mormons don't believe in one God. They believe that any man can become a god and create worlds. They get to marry all the women they want and their children will be the people of their new worlds. Three in one and one in three is pretty simple compared to the celestial kingdom.
Technically those who follow Christ are only known as “Christians”, first by the Gentiles at Antioch, according to the Bible. It’s mentioned at least three times in the Bible that “we” are known as Christians by others, not actually those who follow Christ. So really those who follow Christ are called Christ followers. Or Jesus followers. Christians, the term is made up from those who didn’t follow Christ. And labeled those who did. Although it’s fine to call yourself one. Nothing wrong with it. It literally means those who follow Christ. But, someone who doesn’t label as such, isn’t wrong to say. Many of us are ignorant to this information. I myself was until recently.
Do I you believe Jesus is the spiritual brother of Satan? No Christian sect believes that nonsense.
That's part of your Orthodoxy.
You will never admit your religion is a lot like Islam, it centers around the teachings of a man, not those of God.
The difference is they worship a different Jesus than the one that the Bible describes. They work hard at living Christian principles but the gospel they follow puts them into the realm of a non-christian cult. They are simply a counterfeit christian church. They act like christians, they sound like christians, they look like christians, and most live a christian like life. In fact many out christian the Christians. They are dependent on works for their salvation. I simply pray that God forgives them of not fully understanding who Jesus is, but desiring to please him. I hope to see them in heaven, assuming I make it there myself.
Honestly, framing the Latter Day Saints as “counterfeit” or implying that "we don’t know the real Jesus" just comes across as dismissive, and even sanctimonious. LDS members aren’t pretending to be Christian, our teachings sincerely believe in and strive to follow Jesus Christ as Savior. We may interpret His nature and teachings differently than creedal traditions, but differences in doctrine don’t erase the reality of our discipleship.
It’s worth remembering that Christ Himself taught us to recognize His followers “by their fruits.” I appreciate your acknowledgment that the Latter Day Saints sincerely try to live by Christian values, but if you can acknowledge that many do so, then perhaps it’s more constructive to respect that shared devotion rather than it is to attempt to dismiss our faith as mere imitation. We can disagree on theology without questioning each other’s sincerity or relationship with Christ.
I don't doubt your sincerity one bit. I just happen to think you worship a different Jesus than the one presented in the Bible. I just pray that God is forgiving to those that are deceived, be it you or me. As for me I hang my salvation on confessing that Christ is God in human flesh who came to earth to sacrifice himself in punishment for my sins, who died and resurrected beating death. In doing so He has full authority to forgive sin as He paid the price for all those who believe in Him and accept His sacrifice.
You need to do some research on smith and young. Smith married a 12 year old girl. Young performed marriages between 8 year olds and old men. The temple ceremony with the annoitings and the oaths is sick. There are many good Mormons. Great, hardworking people, but when you get into the history and doctrine, it's problematic.
May I recommend exmormon.org. all info taken from original documents.
Joseph Smith never called the church “Mormon.” When he organized it in 1830, it was The Church of Christ, and by 1838 it became The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The nickname “Mormon” came from outsiders because of the Book of Mormon. While members sometimes adopted the term informally, it was never the official name.
In fact, in 2018 President Russell M. Nelson specifically asked that we no longer use “Mormon” to describe the church, since the proper name centers on Jesus Christ. So while people still say it casually, it’s not what we call ourselves and never has been our formal name.
I have my great grandfather's journal. They called themselves Mormons in 1840's. I have official church issued documents that uses the word mormon in naming the church.
And they became so many there was a great battle in northern new York where 30,000 died. Interestingly there's not one shred of physical evidence left behind. Only golden plates which Joseph picked up and ran home with and translated them by looking into his hat. Gold is heavy. The plates were taken away by angels. And when God and Jesus appeared, you will be happy to know they had feet (that detail was presented to me as a proof).
Oh, and lehi and Nephi came from the red sea to america in a submarine.
I know what the name is. I think religious freedom is an important American ideal. I let the Bible and Gospel instruct me, I find other books of faith interesting reading when I am curious to understand peoples motives,, culture, etc. I do not consider those other books as truth. My Christianity does not require any ritual except baptism. The Holy Spirit of Christ within me, which is kept alive through prayer and faith, My spiritual progression depends on my standing with God in Christ, and worship of God the Father. Not on my standing within a mortar and brick structure called a temple. I use the term Mormon, because you all walk around with the book of Mormon. Jesus broke bread with the people, all people, inviting them to come to him, and teaching them that the only way to the Father was through him, unlike the Pharisees, who had special laws and practices, observed strictly. Now, in a broad sense, we can say that all murder is anti Christian, as it goes against the teachings of Christ and the commandments of God
I can appreciate your perspective and the emphasis you place on Christ and personal faith. That being said, from an LDS standpoint, we also center our lives on Jesus Christ; His divinity, His atonement, and His role as Savior. That’s why the full name of our church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
You’re right that we study more than just the Bible, but we don’t see those scriptures as a replacement. Rather, they’re additional witnesses of Christ. Our temples and ordinances aren’t meant to create barriers like the Pharisees, but to help us draw closer to God through covenants with Him.
Even if we understand some doctrines differently, our values are rooted in Christ’s teachings. So when an LDS church is attacked, it’s not separate from Christianity, it’s still an attack on people who worship and follow Christ.
Very well said. Thanks for that. I wish there were more awake members such as yourself. I would go to church more often if more of the members were awake. I'm still angry with the church's leadership for rolling over for the government during Covid. I didn't attend church the whole time that masks were required. I really wanted deep in my heart for the LDS church to be the ONE church to stand up against the evil government at the time.
The "difference in doctrines" is enormous, from the get go. Yes, if you confess that Christ died for your salvation, is essential. But to state that God was once a human being with flesh and bones, is heresy, you must know that. When Christ is on the cross, crucified between two criminals, he states in the Gospel, that truly these men that die with him will join him in Paradise. Not some special place exalted for special people, but in Paradise with HIM, because they recognized who he was. One baptism is what Christians believe in, but the Mormon church requires another baptism, as a member of The Church of the Latter Day Saints, they disregard the baptism that other Christians have, when it is clear that one is baptized once, to become Christs own.If you are a member of another sect, I would see that as defining oneself as a Lutheran, or Baptist, or Evangelical, or Catholic, or Methodist. Because all of those religious denominations follow the same Gospel, some have add ons, like the Roman Catholics, which, in maturity into Christ, we grow to see as not essential. A woman who chooses to never marry, for whatever reason, who remains childless and celibate, but devotes herself to Christ, is not less than a woman who has 12 children, yet Mormons believe that she is. What of the woman who has lived a life of sin, and repents, and chooses this lifestyle? She has saved her soul, and is loved by Christ as much as the mama with a brood. A man who has lived a debauched life, mis led by Satan, yet when old, accepts Jesus as his savior and one with God, is loved no less than the devout and pious man. Jesus has said himself, the first will become last, and the last will become first. Regardless, those poor people who lost their lives today, because of Satan, the deceiver, who turned a mans heart dark with evil, will see their savior in Paradise, may they have peace and glory with him. Everything I know about Mormonism, and I had a step sister who converted, is that it preaches false doctrine, but lets its members believe that they are better than other Christians, and that there will be more spirit children born from a married couple. Jesus, when asked if a man marries and widows 3 times, who would be his wife in heaven, says this that there is no marraige in heaven, that those roles and relationships are earthly, and we will be free of them, our relationship with God, and all other Christians, will be our future in the Lord God. We will be like Angels. Matthew 22 30. That is not to put down earthly marraige, but it disputes the Mormon teaching of procreation to populate other realms of existence. To me, so much of that religion, that was set down by Joseph Smith, was justification for his behavior, and the behavior of others in that sect, to have multiple wives, some of them handed over and traded as children. There are fundamentalist Mormon sects going on today who get away with that practice, and they believe they are the one true Faith.
I am a Christian, they are Mormons. There is a difference. No, they should not be shot, of course not. Somehow though, I do not feel this is an "anti Christian" act. I am getting very sad about these false flags, though. Let us pray for our nation this Sabbath Sunday.
I think there is a great theological difference between Christians and Mormons, but Mormons vote Trump so they are my ally.
I want to live in an America where everyone has the freedom to worship in peace.
Over all mormons are good people, at least the ones I know. They just have a different Gospel and define Jesus differently than what the Bible teaches.
The LDS are Christians. We are a subsect of Christianity, and we still hold Christian values. "Mormon" isn't even the proper name. It's "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints".
There's a difference, but not one that's so large as to suggest that an attack on an LDS church is not an "anti-Christian attack".
To be a Christian, one must believe in and confess the Nicene Creed or the Apostles' Creed, which affirm core tenets of the faith, including belief in one God, Jesus Christ as the Son of God who died, rose, and will return, and the Holy Spirit.
Belief in these truths, particularly in Jesus as the Lord, is central to the Christian faith.
You are not a Christian. Smith said the Creeds were an abomination.
You can call yourself one but men call themselves women nowadays and that doesn't make it true either.
You do not believe the most basic tenets of the Christian faith.
While it may be true that many Christian denominations define orthodoxy by the early creeds, from an LDS perspective, Christianity is defined by following Jesus Christ himself. We believe in Him as the Son of God, the Savior, and as our Redeemer; we strive to live up to His gospel. That’s why we identify as Christian.
It’s true we don’t frame doctrine the same way the Nicene or Apostles’ Creed does, especially regarding the Trinity. But difference in interpretation doesn’t erase our faith in Christ. In fact, by your definition, only creedal churches would count as Christian, yet historically, the word has always described anyone who accepts and follows Jesus as Lord.
Except Mormons don't believe in one God. They believe that any man can become a god and create worlds. They get to marry all the women they want and their children will be the people of their new worlds. Three in one and one in three is pretty simple compared to the celestial kingdom.
Technically those who follow Christ are only known as “Christians”, first by the Gentiles at Antioch, according to the Bible. It’s mentioned at least three times in the Bible that “we” are known as Christians by others, not actually those who follow Christ. So really those who follow Christ are called Christ followers. Or Jesus followers. Christians, the term is made up from those who didn’t follow Christ. And labeled those who did. Although it’s fine to call yourself one. Nothing wrong with it. It literally means those who follow Christ. But, someone who doesn’t label as such, isn’t wrong to say. Many of us are ignorant to this information. I myself was until recently.
When I grew up in the mormon church we never identified as Christian. Never. Doing so was as abhorrent as the cross.
Do I you believe Jesus is the spiritual brother of Satan? No Christian sect believes that nonsense. That's part of your Orthodoxy. You will never admit your religion is a lot like Islam, it centers around the teachings of a man, not those of God.
The difference is they worship a different Jesus than the one that the Bible describes. They work hard at living Christian principles but the gospel they follow puts them into the realm of a non-christian cult. They are simply a counterfeit christian church. They act like christians, they sound like christians, they look like christians, and most live a christian like life. In fact many out christian the Christians. They are dependent on works for their salvation. I simply pray that God forgives them of not fully understanding who Jesus is, but desiring to please him. I hope to see them in heaven, assuming I make it there myself.
Honestly, framing the Latter Day Saints as “counterfeit” or implying that "we don’t know the real Jesus" just comes across as dismissive, and even sanctimonious. LDS members aren’t pretending to be Christian, our teachings sincerely believe in and strive to follow Jesus Christ as Savior. We may interpret His nature and teachings differently than creedal traditions, but differences in doctrine don’t erase the reality of our discipleship.
It’s worth remembering that Christ Himself taught us to recognize His followers “by their fruits.” I appreciate your acknowledgment that the Latter Day Saints sincerely try to live by Christian values, but if you can acknowledge that many do so, then perhaps it’s more constructive to respect that shared devotion rather than it is to attempt to dismiss our faith as mere imitation. We can disagree on theology without questioning each other’s sincerity or relationship with Christ.
I don't doubt your sincerity one bit. I just happen to think you worship a different Jesus than the one presented in the Bible. I just pray that God is forgiving to those that are deceived, be it you or me. As for me I hang my salvation on confessing that Christ is God in human flesh who came to earth to sacrifice himself in punishment for my sins, who died and resurrected beating death. In doing so He has full authority to forgive sin as He paid the price for all those who believe in Him and accept His sacrifice.
You need to do some research on smith and young. Smith married a 12 year old girl. Young performed marriages between 8 year olds and old men. The temple ceremony with the annoitings and the oaths is sick. There are many good Mormons. Great, hardworking people, but when you get into the history and doctrine, it's problematic.
May I recommend exmormon.org. all info taken from original documents.
Joseph Smith called his church mormon, after the book of.
Joseph Smith never called the church “Mormon.” When he organized it in 1830, it was The Church of Christ, and by 1838 it became The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The nickname “Mormon” came from outsiders because of the Book of Mormon. While members sometimes adopted the term informally, it was never the official name.
In fact, in 2018 President Russell M. Nelson specifically asked that we no longer use “Mormon” to describe the church, since the proper name centers on Jesus Christ. So while people still say it casually, it’s not what we call ourselves and never has been our formal name.
I have my great grandfather's journal. They called themselves Mormons in 1840's. I have official church issued documents that uses the word mormon in naming the church.
Which is written about a family that left Jerusalem and went to America in 600BC.
And they became so many there was a great battle in northern new York where 30,000 died. Interestingly there's not one shred of physical evidence left behind. Only golden plates which Joseph picked up and ran home with and translated them by looking into his hat. Gold is heavy. The plates were taken away by angels. And when God and Jesus appeared, you will be happy to know they had feet (that detail was presented to me as a proof).
Oh, and lehi and Nephi came from the red sea to america in a submarine.
I know what the name is. I think religious freedom is an important American ideal. I let the Bible and Gospel instruct me, I find other books of faith interesting reading when I am curious to understand peoples motives,, culture, etc. I do not consider those other books as truth. My Christianity does not require any ritual except baptism. The Holy Spirit of Christ within me, which is kept alive through prayer and faith, My spiritual progression depends on my standing with God in Christ, and worship of God the Father. Not on my standing within a mortar and brick structure called a temple. I use the term Mormon, because you all walk around with the book of Mormon. Jesus broke bread with the people, all people, inviting them to come to him, and teaching them that the only way to the Father was through him, unlike the Pharisees, who had special laws and practices, observed strictly. Now, in a broad sense, we can say that all murder is anti Christian, as it goes against the teachings of Christ and the commandments of God
I can appreciate your perspective and the emphasis you place on Christ and personal faith. That being said, from an LDS standpoint, we also center our lives on Jesus Christ; His divinity, His atonement, and His role as Savior. That’s why the full name of our church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
You’re right that we study more than just the Bible, but we don’t see those scriptures as a replacement. Rather, they’re additional witnesses of Christ. Our temples and ordinances aren’t meant to create barriers like the Pharisees, but to help us draw closer to God through covenants with Him.
Even if we understand some doctrines differently, our values are rooted in Christ’s teachings. So when an LDS church is attacked, it’s not separate from Christianity, it’s still an attack on people who worship and follow Christ.
Very well said. Thanks for that. I wish there were more awake members such as yourself. I would go to church more often if more of the members were awake. I'm still angry with the church's leadership for rolling over for the government during Covid. I didn't attend church the whole time that masks were required. I really wanted deep in my heart for the LDS church to be the ONE church to stand up against the evil government at the time.
The "difference in doctrines" is enormous, from the get go. Yes, if you confess that Christ died for your salvation, is essential. But to state that God was once a human being with flesh and bones, is heresy, you must know that. When Christ is on the cross, crucified between two criminals, he states in the Gospel, that truly these men that die with him will join him in Paradise. Not some special place exalted for special people, but in Paradise with HIM, because they recognized who he was. One baptism is what Christians believe in, but the Mormon church requires another baptism, as a member of The Church of the Latter Day Saints, they disregard the baptism that other Christians have, when it is clear that one is baptized once, to become Christs own.If you are a member of another sect, I would see that as defining oneself as a Lutheran, or Baptist, or Evangelical, or Catholic, or Methodist. Because all of those religious denominations follow the same Gospel, some have add ons, like the Roman Catholics, which, in maturity into Christ, we grow to see as not essential. A woman who chooses to never marry, for whatever reason, who remains childless and celibate, but devotes herself to Christ, is not less than a woman who has 12 children, yet Mormons believe that she is. What of the woman who has lived a life of sin, and repents, and chooses this lifestyle? She has saved her soul, and is loved by Christ as much as the mama with a brood. A man who has lived a debauched life, mis led by Satan, yet when old, accepts Jesus as his savior and one with God, is loved no less than the devout and pious man. Jesus has said himself, the first will become last, and the last will become first. Regardless, those poor people who lost their lives today, because of Satan, the deceiver, who turned a mans heart dark with evil, will see their savior in Paradise, may they have peace and glory with him. Everything I know about Mormonism, and I had a step sister who converted, is that it preaches false doctrine, but lets its members believe that they are better than other Christians, and that there will be more spirit children born from a married couple. Jesus, when asked if a man marries and widows 3 times, who would be his wife in heaven, says this that there is no marraige in heaven, that those roles and relationships are earthly, and we will be free of them, our relationship with God, and all other Christians, will be our future in the Lord God. We will be like Angels. Matthew 22 30. That is not to put down earthly marraige, but it disputes the Mormon teaching of procreation to populate other realms of existence. To me, so much of that religion, that was set down by Joseph Smith, was justification for his behavior, and the behavior of others in that sect, to have multiple wives, some of them handed over and traded as children. There are fundamentalist Mormon sects going on today who get away with that practice, and they believe they are the one true Faith.
Do the loonies know the difference? I don't know the difference between Shia and Sunni Muslims for example.
You're about as wrong as wrong gets. Nobody is more Christian than the Mormons. Get real.