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Mormonism is not Christianity. They claim the Bible has been corrupted among other beliefs outside of historic, biblical Christianity:
View of God â They deny the biblical doctrine of one eternal, unchanging God (Deut. 6:4; Isa. 43:10). Instead, they teach that God was once a man who progressed to godhood.
Polytheism â They affirm an unlimited number of gods. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are seen as separate beings, not one essence.
Exaltation of Man â They teach that faithful Mormons can become gods themselves (âAs man is, God once was; as God is, man may becomeâ). This is diametrically opposed to biblical teaching (Isa. 45:5; 1 Tim. 2:5).
Christology â They reject the eternal deity of Christ as coequal with the Father. Jesus is viewed as the literal spirit-child of the Father (and a brother of Lucifer).
Salvation by Works â Grace is said to play a role, but ultimate salvation (exaltation to godhood) is achieved through temple rituals, obedience, and ordinances. This contradicts salvation by grace alone through faith alone (Eph. 2:8â9).
Authority of Revelation â They place the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price alongside (and often above) the Bible, undermining the sufficiency of Scripture.
Mormonism denies the one true God, the person and work of Christ, and the biblical gospel of salvation by grace through faith. It replaces them with polytheism, human exaltation, and works-righteousness.
Basically if the Old testament is Star wars A New Hope, and the New testament is empire strikes back, The book of Mormon claims to be Return of the Jedi but really it's just Spaceballs.
âIâm a MOG! Half man, half dog. Iâm my own best friend.â
John Candy
That's a bummer.
I owe quite a bit to the Mormons.
After Hurricane Harvey, Mormon volunteers helped my family clean up the mess of our destroyed house.
I still thank them for that.
But your above points remain. I hope one day they see the true light.
They are great people and have a great community. I do outreach and evangelism to them because I want to see them come to true faith in Christ.
Mormons where i lived in idaho were great neighbors.
my experience us that they are generally kind people, but I don't know any of the people who are highly in that church nor those who manage it's LARGE investment portfolio. Mitt Romney might know those folks though.
You may be right about number 2 but all the other points seem way off.
The Mormons do believe that God, his son, and the holy ghost are all separate spirits.
"unlimited number of gods" is not the case though.
Listen son, I know what I'm talking about. I'm in Mesa Arizona and my church goes and just Street evangelism at the Mormon Temple every year. We have converted multiple Mormons to Christianity. Our YouTube channel is filled with conversations and discussions with Mormons over the gospel.
I'll go ahead and address your points though since the modern Mormon church tries to hide and obscure what they actually believe:
Trinity vs. Mormon view: Yes, Mormons teach that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate beings. But thatâs not a small side detailâit is a direct denial of the historic Christian doctrine of the Trinity, which says one God in three persons. To say theyâre separate beings is not Christianity, itâs tri-theism.
Unlimited gods: It is the case that Mormonism affirms a plurality of gods. Joseph Smith himself taught:
âI will preach on the plurality of Gods⊠it is a great subject.â (History of the Church 6:474)
âIn the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods.â (6:475) Mormons believe Heavenly Father himself was once a man who became a god, and faithful Mormons can become gods of their own worlds. That necessarily implies an open-ended, potentially unlimited number of gods.
Mormons donât just see the Father, Son, and Spirit as distinct persons within the one Godhead; they see them as three separate gods, and their doctrine of exaltation necessarily teaches an endless plurality of gods. Thatâs why Mormonism isnât just a âdifferent denominationâ itâs a fundamentally different religion.
Mormons don't believe Christians are saved and Christians don't believe Mormons are saved. Why? Fundamental salvific issues and doctrinal differences. Joseph Smith said he started the Mormon church because God told him that there were no true Churches and all of our teachings were an abomination.
Christians recognize that he's a convicted con artist and a false prophet because he's had many failed prophecies and teaches people things to go against scripture.
Are you with Apologia Church?
Yes!
You seem like you're splitting hairs along the English language. To say that God, his son Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are all one being doesn't make sense. The Mormon Church has something they call the Bishop Bric in each ward. That's made up of the Bishop, his 1st counselor, and his 2nd counselor. Even though it's a Bishop Bric, they are all three separate people.
Ah, yes. The old âGod is like a Bishopricâ analogy. Thatâs a bit like saying the Trinity is just three guys in matching suits who share an office. Cute, but woefully inadequate.
The problem is this: the Bible doesnât say âHear, O Israel: the Lord our Gods, the Lord is a committee.â It says the Lord is one. If your analogy reduces the Creator of heaven and earth to the rough equivalent of a PTA board, then youâve already shown your theology belongs in the sandbox, not the sanctuary.
And as for the claim that âone being, three personsâ doesnât make sense, thatâs exactly the point. Of course the infinite God is beyond your neat little filing system of âmakes sense to me.â If God were no bigger than your capacity to diagram Him on a chalkboard, He wouldnât be God. The biblical Trinity isnât an arbitrary puzzle; itâs the only way to affirm that God is one, that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God, all without slipping into polytheism.
Mormonism solves the mystery by throwing the truth overboard. They trade monotheism for tri-theism, and then act like itâs just good plain common sense. But saying âGod is like a Bishopricâ is about as theologically helpful as saying âmarriage is like three bachelors living together.â The analogy explains nothing; it only reveals the bankruptcy of the system.
I'm not splitting hairs. This is basic apologetics for dealing with mormons. Something I have done hundreds and hundreds of times.
How many times have you had discussions, debates, or given the gospel to Mormons exactly?
I got good at this because I did it so much along with other brothers from my church.
I feel like this is an area where you should be asking questions, not making assertions. That's how you gain wisdom.
Bishopric đ
If you are teaching them the trinity you should stop. Yall ginna find out someday how wrong that nicene doctrine is.
Yeah, youâre going to need to drop some sort of proof beyond whatever that was. The Bible is very clear on the trinity, which is why itâs doctrinal.
Jesusâs baptism: God says this is my Son in whom Iâm well pleased. Then the Spirit descended on him like a dove. Genesis 2: Let us make man in OUR image. Jacob wrestled with God, Moses saw Godâs backside of his glory, since no one can see his face and live. Jesus claimed he was the son of man, a title for the messiah, which is why the Jews wanted to kill him. Deuteronomy 6: God is ONE.
All this to say⊠there is but one God, who is three distinct persons making up one God. This is a mystery to our eyes. That does not make it false. God the father, who sent Jesus, God the son, who left us with the Spirit, God the Holy Spirit. A three corded strand is not easily broken.
There is no other God, there is no revelation beyond Johnâs final revelation, Book of Revelation as spoken by God himself to John.
The doctrine of Mormonism is also very wishy washy. Soda was forbidden until the âwhite horse saviorâ mitt Romney was caught drinking one⊠uh oh, special revelation, soda is okay. Black people werenât allowed⊠uh oh, special revelation for them. How many âspecial revelationsâ before that cult falls apart?
Iâm not justifying the shooting, which is horrible and sad. Double sad because these people had an opportunity living in the USA to hear the true gospel and turn their hearts to God. And maybe some Mormons who are âshallow-faithâ Mormons who donât follow much of the Mormon tradition and are more aligned with Christianity will be saved. Even if God saves them all, Iâm not going to be offended.
But we ought to, while here on earth, earnestly seek to follow God's clearest commands that we can understand by what he has given us, including to test everything according to what God has given us (yes, even the BS meter we have plays a role). I believe the reformed theology drives closest to this, because the pinnacle of their faith is the words of the Bible, and disregarding the tradition of man (in spiritual matters). Man is faulted whereas God is not, which is why I agree with that form of thinking.
If a book is found lacking in evidence of being written by an inspired writer (like the book of Thomas) which contains fairy tales (effectively) of 4 year old Jesus making clay birds that fly and thereâs no historical evidence of their existence being tied to the alleged writer, why would that book be considered âcanonâ? So we need to look with weary eyes on all of these things and put them to the test.
"unlimited number of gods", is the case though, because they believe humans can achieve God-hood. Here's the first verse of the popular Morman hymn "If you could hie to Kolob" :
" If you could hie to Kolob In the twinkling of an eye, And then continue onward With that same speed to fly, Do you think that you could ever, Through all eternity, Find out the generation Where Gods began to be?"
Thanks for sharing that as I didnât know most of it.
Salvation by works.
I believe that this is the applicable point.
One of the works is the number of progeny that you sire...
There was a fertility doctor some years back who fertilized all his c patients with his own seed in the belief that that would earn him a higher seat in heaven...