Reference Point:
Promethean Update - They Lied About Turning Point: Vance Exposes the REAL Operation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Qdppy5xNQ
Highly recommended.
A lot of what the Promethean ladies say makes a lot of sense to me.
So, I decided to ask Grok what it thought about the significance of TPUSA in the re-election of Donald Trump in 2024.
https://x.com/i/grok?conversation=2003333876006203420
"How significant do you think the work or action of TPUSA was in the election of Donald Trump in 2024?"
"Turning Point USA (TPUSA), founded by Charlie Kirk, played a notable role in Donald Trump's 2024 presidential victory, particularly through its focus on youth mobilization, voter turnout efforts, and grassroots organizing in key swing states."
Key Contributions:
Youth Voter Engagement and Turnout
Ground Game and Voter Mobilization
Alliance with Trump and MAGA Ecosystem
ON that last point:
TPUSA evolved from a campus group into a major Trump ally, providing infrastructure for rallies, endorsements, and post-election lobbying (e.g., pushing for Trump's cabinet picks). Their efforts built on work since 2016, though 2020 was a setback; by 2024, they were seen as a "powerful grassroots machine."
I tend to focus more on the psyop/anon-level of information, so I never paid much attention to TPUSA or Charlie Kirk, as they were/are decidedly more mainstream. But, they have been thrust directly into the 'truther' space, overlapping anon space, but the recent developments, including the rise of 'controversy' in the aftermath of the Kirk murder.
However, if you step back and look at the bigger picture, a lot of things make sense. I.e. the intense attack on TPUSA, starting with the murder of Charlie Kirk. The targeting of the youth sector, particularly the young men.
While certain inflooencers proclaim they are "America First" and "Conservative", even well, 'Trump Supporters', their underlying messages are consistently 'do not trust Trump', 'the Administration has gone wrong/cannot be trusted', etc.
In my opinion, it's exceedingly important to be able to step back from the chaotic fighting and criticizing and attacking, and consider other potential explanations for how certain actors are behaving.
Trump needs the People on his side but also the Congress on his side going forward. The mid-terms are going to be a critical battle.
How would the opponents of Trump see TPUSA and Charlie Kirk? As an organization that MUST be stopped? At all costs?
Easy to imagine.
This Promethean Update goes into a lot of this, but for me the key and salient point she emphasizes is one I would like to continually impress upon all the frogs gathering at the GAW waterhole (quoting William Sargent's 1957 book "Battle for the mind":
Various types of belief can be implanted in many people, after brain function has been sufficiently disturbed by accidentally or deliberately induced fear, anger or excitement. Of the results caused by such disturbances, the most common one is temporarily impaired judgement and heightened suggestibility.
Its various group manifestations are sometimes classed under the heading of “herd instinct,” and appear most spectacularly in wartime, during severe epidemics, and in all similar periods of common danger, which increase anxiety and so individual and mass suggestibility.”
heightened suggestibility
wartime, epidemics (boy, did he call that one)
fear, anger or excitement
For anons, the last one is really important. Because most of us have broken free of the mainstream matrix, but we are very much being targeted and are also 'susceptible' to all sort of psyops because of that.
One you step outside the matrix, then it really IS 'down the rabbit hole'. You enter the middle of the battle ground of psychological operations, operations being conducted by opposing forces who have had decades and decades of practice at refining their techniques, skills, not to mention having access to huge resources that we cannot compete with.
All we have is our collective hive mind, a powerful spiritual underpinning in that God wants truth to reign in the world, and whatever levels of discernment we can muster.
Think about what Donald Trump is up against. Then think about what forces WE are up against, what intel and psychological warfare forces we have put ourselves in the line of.
How to deal with a barrage of psychological battles?
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Step back, look at the bigger picture.
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Don't just take people (aka 'actors' - inflooencers, pundits, people we think are allies, etc) at face value but also do not dismiss your own prejudices and do not downplay your own susceptibility to manipulation.
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Look for tell tale signs of psychological manipulation: sensationalism, highly emotive arguments, painted 'heroes' and 'evil enemies', polarization and the injection of divisive narratives, negative messages embedded in what looks like 80% 'friendly' narratives, etc.
If you measure what people are doing and what impact they are having by: does this ADVANCE the Donald Trump agenda, or does this negatively impact on it? you might get a clearer picture of what people's real objectives are, regardless of what they say to your face.
Because the FIRST thing the psychological manipulation does is to try to get you buried in tunnel vision. Get you buried in your own opinion, focused on one particular area to distract you from that larger picture, because the larger picture provides perspective and context that helps you to sift the signal from the noise.
End thought: I haven't looked closely at the TPUSA Amfest thing, but even a superficial view inspires me with hope. What exactly?
Conflicting views being expressed from the stage: eg. Ben Shapiro vs Tucker Carlson, vs Steve Bannon, vs Megyn Kelly, etc
That's healthy, and good. And apparently 'TPUSA defended allowing unscripted speeches to promote open debate'. I think that's actually a positive sign, although those that hate Trump and the MAGA movement will do their best to paint that as 'conflict, fracturing, downfall' (aka doomerism).
Regardless of what you think of all or any of the actors involved, I recommend putting all those opinions aside and asking the simple, basic question: Do you trust Donald Trump, and if so, what advances the mission of Donald Trump?
It's not about not having disagreements. It's about the common goals that we are actually fighting for. Unity does not come from an absence of disagreement. It comes from a willing engagement to work on and achieve common goals and shared objectives, goals that are based on first-principle priorities that truly serve a higher priority than just 'me'.
Beautifully written, and desperately needed right now especially when it honestly seems like we've been invaded by some foreign enemy hell bent on selling us the message that to question one another about our respective theories and rationale and to question immediate narratives and allow time to better reveal the truth of a circumstance is now somehow our weakness and harmful to our mission.
I don't care if enemies from without try to put a magnifying glass on that holy activity that we all engage in here of honest questioning and discussion and try to twist it as a weakness. We know it is not a weakness. We know it is exactly what makes this place what it is.
All I can say about it right now is beware of those saying "beware" right now, because more often than not they're simply trying to get you to fall into some fucking retard line and stop thinking where others can hear you. NEVER trust that. NEVER.
I would be careful with this question though. I trust Trump at this point, but I don't trust him the way some people trust him. I trust his why, even when I disagree with his what. Never be afraid to question something Trump says or does, but I think he's certainly earned our trust of his why at this point.
I trust Jesus, and I accept Donald Trump as the person He chose to run this country at this time. Beyond that, I don't trust a soul on earth. I accept them, for what they proport to be, but if they have ulterior agendas that I didn't subscribe to, they can have their place among the satanists for all I care. And if they have sub-par ability for the office in which they've been appointed, or their sins compromise them in some way so as to throw off their godly direction, I am equally against whatever they end up becoming and where they take the country.
I literally do not give a fuck right now, any one of you can fight me on this. Go on and tell me it's ok for the NWO Skynet total surveillance state to be built on the back of illegal immigrant vetting and child prons. Go ahead tell me how it makes sense
An evil man and a good man are in a room with you. There is one gun in the room. You cant have it, so which of those men do you want in control of that gun? China and russia are building similar systems. Is our not having it stopping us from being subjected to it. Or do we build and control it? Oh, the old what if rhe bad guys win the next election? I guess if we cant pay attention to it we deserve what ever we get. Having said that, God has never let me down and i dont believe Jesus placed trump into power. I do believe God has helped trump on our behalf. Not the same thing. Ive never made man my sufficiency amd wont start now, but i want the freest cointry we can make to worship God freely in. I can tell you right now we are freer than we were 9 years ago. Espescially our minds if we choose to be. Nothing can defeat the believer but fear. Nothing.
If there's only one gun in the room? And I didn't bring it? And it's not on me? I screwed up, big.
I snerked, but the post you're replying to has a solid point.
There are many "guns" in this "room" we are in. We need to train with whichever ones suit our fighting style.
People dis AI (hereinafter referred to as LLMs) because so much low effort content is made (aka "AI slop"), but the fact of the matter is that the tool/weapon is only as good as the hand that wields it.
LLMs have no discernment, they are glorified search engines and will deliver what you ask them for. They don't know to NOT use Google and Wikipedia, so if you ask them about Fulton Co. voter fraud they'll tell you it doesn't exist. UNLESS you tell them to ignore Google and Wikipedia, and maybe include Yandex.
The above is just one simple example of how using an LLM in information warfare can be helpful. I use it regularly for looking up laws and court cases, stuff that Google (and any cursed "search engine" that uses Google results) will never show me.
Just in case I didn't make myself clear, there are many "guns" in the room, and LLMs are just one of them. I recommend Gab AI or Lumo (Proton's LLM). Gab lets you pick which LLM you want to use (there are quite a few) and train it as you like. Lumo is private and secure, but remembers NOTHING between sessions.
Good take. I personally trust Trump's why, but only to a certain extent. But he keeps rewarding my trust and that's a very unique thing. I think it's why most of us here love and support him so much, but refuse to take orders (in a sense--or just follow him blindly in lockstep) from him unless we actually agree with him (i.e. the vaccine, support of Israel, etc.).
I think there's a REASON he publicly supported the vaccine, even though I suspect he was hoping very few of us would take it. I think he's clearly fighting tooth and nail to the death with Israel behind the scenes, even though he plays so freaking nice with them in front of the camera. I would prefer a man play nice in front of the camera with the enemy and fight them behind the scenes, than fight them on camera and secretly collude with them behind the scenes, as normal politicians have done ("In front of the camera Dems and Reps pretend to hate each other, but when the cameras are off they go to the same parties and work for the same people" -Jesse Ventura).
The hard thing is sometimes is getting people to see that last part.
Many things I believe but one that can sway my vote is protecting the unborn.
I know Trump is not a pure pro-lifer. But he is the only one to get movement in our direction.
When a true believer is stonewalled and stopped. You have to doubt. When someone less than pure produces results for the first time in my life? I believe.
Nice. Pragmatic approach. I like it.
Ah, the age old (in Great Awakening years) question of 'trust'. What is trust? How does it work? What are it's impacts? What is the relationship between faith and trust? What does it mean to 'trust' someone?
Well, given the outrageously elevated view I have of my own opinion, I'm going to assert that I am ALWAYS careful about that question. So, perhaps we are in agreement?
People define 'trust' in thousands of different ways. It means different things to different people.
Side note: do you ever think about whether God trusts you? Does your spouse trust you? Your children? Your little Children? Your colleagues? Your friend or friends?
How do you feel when people do not trust, or rather, distrust you? Does it impact your relationship with them? If so, how?
Do you trust yourself? in everything? In somethings? Do you trust your spouse? If so, does this mean you have blind faith in your spouse? Blind faith that ignores everything you know about them as a person, their limitations as well as their potential for growth?
I swear, I think the most frequently used phrase on GAW over the past 5 years has been either "I do not trust <this person>" and "I trust <this person>".
Goodness, I swear, it triggers the facepalm in me. Seriously. (per peeve)
So, more on the previous question, in light of "love one another as I have loved you" - "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"
So, think about it. God trusted you with: a body, his whole creation, your family, your spouse, your life, your conscience. Are you worthy of that trust? Unworthy? And, if God has trust and continues to trust you with these things, which I assert very clearly he has, does this mean that he ignores everything you do that contradicts that trust? Or does it mean he sees you both in terms of your limitations but also your potential?
So, should we strive to be towards others like God in how he trusts me?
Eloquently said, and I think that the majority of clear thinking folks on this board would strongly agree with this sentiment.
Let me flip this on its head: Never don't question what Trump says or does.
We should, imo, always be questioning what Trump does and what he says. Always. That is, if you want to support him.
Because questioning is not equal to not trusting. Questioning is a precursor to understanding. Unless you question about what Trump does and says, and why he says and does those things, you'll be stuck in the realm of a normie believer in some fake idea of who the actual man Donald Trump is.
We might even say that a lot of TDS starts not because people question what Trump is doing, but because they do NOT question what he is doing, or why. They latch onto an irrational, un-objective belief, much of it programming by this or that other programming force, and hold on to it for dear life because of the 'rewards' they consciously or unconsciously think it delivers to them: acceptance, virtue, self-validation, etc.
Perahps unlike our fren u/winn, I think it is critical and key to learn how to trust others. It is extremely difficult to truly give unconditional love unless you trust or believe in the other person in some way. That doesn't mean giving pearls to swine, and it doesn't mean blindly believing that the thief on the street isn't going to rob the next store he gets to. But it does mean believing in a person's potential to respond to God and God's love, even if that potential is buried under a ton of sin and/or pain.
OK, enough of the epistemological and ethical discussion.
What I mean is, if you believe in and support Trump as President of the US, or as you put it, his "why", then apply the question: does <this action>, <that behavior>, <this thinking>, <that narrative>, etc, advance the work that he is doing, aka his mission.
Example: Would it have advanced Trump's agenda or mission if every human being in America went out and got a Covid vax because Trump said what he said about it? I don't think so.
So we each should really be thinking, and making our own judgments about, does this advance the cause?
The conundrum here is, how well do you or I really understand 'the cause'? Right? If we do not understand what Trump is doing, how can we judge or access whether X or Y or Z is helping him, or not?
In any case, with regards to Trump, I am by and large of a similar (although perhaps not identical) sentiment to u/winn:
I hold a very powerful belief, for many, many reasons and a life time of my relationship with God, that God has chosen the man Donald Trump to accomplish a very large, critical and historical mission. So, because of my faith in God, I extend that faith to Trump, and I support him.
That certainly doesn't mean that I think Trump is perfect, cannot make mistakes, BUT I am also of the conviction that I could not stand up for 3 days under the weight and pressure of the mission that God has put in Trump's hands. Moreover, am I in a position to correctly evaluate whether anything Trump says or does is a 'mistake' or not? I can disagree, no problem, but it would be utter hubris to believe that I know better than Donald Trump what Donald Trump should do. I might think I know, OK, but humility requires that I accept that in fact I do not, or cannot.
In short, he has his responsibility, and I have mine. As long as I can execute my responsibility faithfully, then good luck to him. It's OK for me to believe in him or trust that he will do the best he can, to the limit of his ability.
I guess for me, the real, critical question is this: With what sort of heart should I approach the man who has been given, and is carrying, the sort of weight that I believe Trump has been given?
Humility is an important start. And, I should try to see him as God sees him, faults and all, limitations and all, and greatness and all. If I can align my view of Trump, or anyone, with God's view, then I'm in good company. While admitting the limitations I am faced with, its nonetheless something I believe is worth striving for.
Maybe a better question would have been, "are you willing to entrust Trump with the role and responsibilities of POTUS? If so, then you'd better darn support him, and then perhaps consider and evaluate things, people, behaviors, narratives and rhetoric on the basis of whether they are actually helping him, or hurting him, in that responsibility."
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I'll keep this short my fren. I trust Trump so far as he advances the mission he claimed to advance. I am not ignorant of King Sauls or Solomons.
If the Great Awakening misfires into the Great One World Digital Prison, I can firmly say that either:
something went wrong, or:
it was a Great Deception all along.
Next point:
questioning Trump and/or his admin should be the equivalent of supporting him (barring obviously stupid questions such as the MSM likes to throw). If the Plan to save the world encourages critical thinking, then my stance should be the default, and Trump, in his 5d chess, would be making moves with that in mind.
Even Jesus said if you don't believe Him, believe His works.
So anyways in a 5gw psyop war you can pretty much toss the "believe me" out the window and all we really have are the works, or actions, the direction of things.
If the direction of things looks to be going into a totally different direction than what we were told at the start of the journey, it's our job to sound the alarm. And that alarm is not a threat to good-faith Trump admin—only to bad. It would be welcomed by good-faith. "Hey, course-correct now! Traps ahead."
The obvious question here is whether your original perception of 'the mission he claimed to advance' is the same as his perception of the same (aka his definition), and if that is indeed accurate.
If you misunderstood his purpose and mission, and supported him based on that misinterpretation, then you might choose to:
revise your view of what mission he has claimed to advance
revise your support for his work
Consider whether its not DJT or his admin that requires course correction, but yourself
In a general way, I agree with that. Blind belief or blind obedience are only helpful when someone or something is in a stage of infancy.
Well, I think more accurately, all we really have is [our perception] of the works, or actions, aka the direction of things
From a moral standpoint, we are responsible to make our decisions based on what we perceive, but we can never really discount the unalterable fact that ultimately, my perception might be flawed, and either way, I'm responsible for my decision and choices.
If you are critical of DJT, for example, because your perception is that he is going in a different direction to what (you thought) you were promised, then that's a moral choice, and one a moral stance requires being self-responsible for.
Although its not particularly articulated, I think I probably have a less rigid view of what I thought or think DJT should be doing. But this is also (I think) because I view him and his role within a larger framework of perception about the direction of the world, where God wants it to go, and a recognition that we, the human race, are in uncharted territory.
I'm always trying to perceive the edge of my understanding. The edge of my understanding is like a horizon that constantly changes and evolves (if you will allow the expression) as I walk closer to it, and as it unfolds, while I move forward, that horizon is always out ahead of me and is not something I can ever fully arrive at.
Note: I'm not saying that a more rigid view or less rigid view is better. I'm simply comparing and contrasting what and where our views seem to differ.
On a tangential note, I'll mention that I believe God has always known and understood the potential for the level of tech we are now approaching and which is now becoming part of our experience on all levels. But like anything in creation, the issue is not the tech, the object, the thing, but who wields it, controls it, and for what they use it.
Ultimately, I don't think this is in Trump's hands. It is, in fact, in the hands of collective humanity, and the direction it goes in is determined by who well we rise up to our God-given responsibility.
So, whether you are right or wrong, in your perception of what is happening, of what should be happening, of what you think was promised, etc, the fact that you are investing effort to make a moral decision based on your own perception, this can only be a good thing that advances the cause. Even if you are wrong. And as long as you don't do anything too stupid. (Like dye your hair blue, or sumting.) (But also if you are right, obviously.)
That's all for now.
(Lord, does what I've written even make sense? sigh.)
I think for me the question is: Do you trust that Trump is playing a complicated game with an end goal that you agree with and that sometimes, the moves he makes might not make sense in the moment but that doesn't mean the game is over, that he's lost it, or that he's gone Benedict Arnold on us?
And up until now that answer has most certainly been yes for me.
Yeah, I got a yes on that too.
When trump is mentioned it is the people behind trump we mean. Tjey started this and have done one hell of a job. Its the train we are on and our only option unless you want to go backwards. Youve actually no choice but to trust him even if u dont agree with his methods if your goal is freedom. Seriously, where else you going to go? In the end, it will be our prayers and trust in God that bring this about.
Agreed. The nuance here is when things like the vaccine comes up and we see him recommend getting it or claiming to have gotten it himself. It's strange, but I actually trusted that he was doing that for a reason and that reason was NOT that we would take it too. The whole thing felt tongue in cheek to me. All said with a wink and a nod to his base, who he knows isn't the mindless hoard the media tries to paint us as (talk about irony).
Fundamentally, this is 100% true.
But I also think that when God chooses someone for a key mission, he also requires faith in that person. The Israelites needed to have faith in Moses, who stood as God's representative for the mission of [journey to the promised land]. When the first generation failed to have faith, the second generation had to complete it.
If you look at the old Testament from this perspective, you can see that it is simply a history of God continually working to try to get his people to belief, have faith, and unite with the anointed person.
In other words, if God has chosen Trump to lead America to be Great Again, then how much the people support and unite with him might be the real factor as to whether he can fulfill that goal.
As far as I can see in scripture, God anoints, but then leaves it up to his children to decide in the end, where they will go. We have a responsibility, which I fully agree is ultimately to trust in God, but we do that on the concrete plane by trusting the people he chooses.
(Of course, recognizing who he has chosen, that's the real challenge, ain't it?)
Personally, if I think there are people behind Trump, I think there is God behind these people. In my course of life I've found that in some cases, my faith is required even when I do not understand, and that when I hold my faith, eventually understanding catches up.
I'm pretty confident that God wants me to support DJT, even if I do not fully understand everything he's doing. (I mean, how could I? I'm not the fricken potus)
so real