This is probably not going to be a popular post. I don't care, I really need to say this, flame away and down vote if you must.
Pretti made some very bad decisions that day. Bringing a handgun to this mess was a irresponsible act as a gun owner, legal or otherwise. I won't go into all of the reasons for saying that.
Physically interfering with ICE is simply said, the act of a fool. Doing this while carrying a handgun is in my opinion an incredible possible fatal endeavor. One can say FAFO. And if you feel that way, I will say you're right....
The city and I'm pretty sure the entire state is making sure that there is zero cooperation law enforcement wise in securing a perimeter during these illegal alien extractions. Sadly it's their constitutional right to do nothing. I think we all know why there's no help to keep the peace during these missions. Again, I won't go into all of that.
The ICE agents involved in this terrible shooting made mistakes. It was mishandled in the worst possible way. The man was already disarmed. Now I know that the job that ICE have to do especially given the opposition put in front of them is a dangerous stressful undertaking. Of a magnitude that I'm sure I can't even begin to comprehend. These guys are being doxxed and the useful idiots are already there when ICE arrives. There's funding for all of this and cooperation in many ways from corrupt anti American entities.
The communists in my opinion, have finally gotten what they really really wanted. Another maurter. There's a big difference between the Good and Pretti shootings, let's face it. This most recent one was just plain wrong.
Trump has to get in front of the cameras right now and make a statement. To delay this is a huge mistake. This is potentially a guarantee that the midterms will be a disaster for Patriots. In my opinion Trump has to say that it looks bad and that there might be charges brought to involved ICE agents.
From what I have seen, this was a completely unjust shooting. From the first shot to what? The eleventh shot? I understand, the heat of the moment and fear and stress... But there was a huge mistake made.
Thanks for letting me voice my opinion on this matter.
That particular gun is known to misfire and for that reason some police have stopped using it. It is possible that it discharged on its own. We need to withhold judgment until we know if that happened. I've seen angles where it looks like a bullet from that gun hit the ground.
The officers had to make a split second decision. When you shoot in what you perceive to be a life or death situation, you do not fire just one shot. They are trained to fire until the threat is neutralized. So while you feel uncomfortable with the number of shots taken, it really has no bearing on the case.
Gotta say, if i think its my life or yours, I'll empty the clip to make sure you don't pop back up and kill me. I have zero issue with this situation. I saw zoomed in video that appeared to show the gun in his hand. It doesn't look like a phone to me, unless you hold YOUR phone and it has a v shape. Grip in hand and barrel angled 90° - thats what it looked like to me. Also saw reporting that his family asked him not to go. He deleted all his social media footprint before heading out.
I try not to waste any time on things like this. It’s all a distraction. A paid for, by us through fraud, distraction to the billions in fraud and the illegal aliens that purposely were brought in to overthrow our country. They are counted in our census which leads to more fraudulent seats in the house. They burden our social services which is more fraud. They take money away from those citizens in need. They bring in crime. As for the shooting, meh. Bring a gun and pick a fight with federal agents is classic fafo. A split second life and death (theirs) decision for the officers. Charge the local government as accessories with actions that led to death through their coordinated Signal app to overthrow the government. Coordinating With terrorist organizations like antifa.
This.
One of these clowns gets shot and it’s all over MSM to give the commie treasonous rats a talking and rallying point.
A young lady has her throat slit, a young couple killed in an DUI by an illegal, a woman set on fire in a train, and crickets.
It’s all a very convenient excuse to stop talking about the corruption and treason.
Hopefully, this will shed a little bit of light on the situation.
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17kfercADV/
https://files.catbox.moe/onz239.mp4
I just saw a video where blue cross and blue shield were teaching the somalians how to scam the federal government.
This stuff goes really deep.
Just found it , thanks!
Thank you, Forreal.
It sounds like the insurrectionists have access to State car-licencing data.
They do, Wellif.
So that is a public servant, using state-provided services to take part in insurrectionist activities. Could get sticky.
Or it's a dirty hack.
Or, it's rogue software, which is actually a national defense issue.
I am with you on your frustration Fren. You said the hard part out loud. Physically interfering with ICE... is the act of a fool.
That is it. That is the bottom line. Chaos in the heat of battle has always cost lives. It's called collateral damage. Plus, it is always easy to play armchair quarterback.
So, the part that is not fair (and IMO only) is where you feel "this was a completely unjust shooting."
They can't have it both ways - stay away or FAFO. It's unfortunate, yes, but not unjustified. The jury will have to decide.
Then again, now that we have this I don't think Pretti stands a chance. "We have it all."
The only way to 100% avoid getting bitten by a shark... stay out of the ocean.
Thank you, Side track
I feel you, Fren - Be blessed
Any chance the federal agent who did the shooting (whether warranted or not) may be on the wrong side of MAGA?
Don't think the DS won't/can't do everything in their power to try and gain back full control of the house and senate this November..
Think J6
They (the DS) have everything to gain, and everything to lose in this upcoming election..
How do we know that?
Maybe the feds should be required to “double dog dare” them or “I’m going count…1,2,3”, before shooting…🤔
<perp doesn't drop the gun>
<police fire rounds>
<perp falls over, weakly whispering: >
I'm not going to say the ice agents made mistakes. I wasn't there, and the videos may not be factual. It's hard to know what's real any more. It seems like those two who were shot, Pretty and Good, were very much involved in the organization that is behind all the protesting and rioting. Peaceful protestors do not try to run down others and they sure do not brandish a gun in a threatening manner. Why are these idiots protesting any way? The illegals do not belong in our country pure and simple. They are taking money, benefits, free housing and medical care. They are being treated like royalty, all by taxpayer money. The ICE agents are doing their jobs, so if their lives are threatened and in danger they have every right to protect themselves.
We can't be principled men on one hand, and entertain double standards on the other.
Thank you for this post.
Great power (monopoly on violence) must come with responsibility (accountability) when you mess up.
Law-enforcement is not a job for (mentally) weak/skittish, trigger happy men.
The strongest/bravest law-enforcement officers I've ever seen on police shooting videos are NOT the trigger happy ones. Quite the opposite.
It makes our position indefensible when we don't call out our own side's mistakes!
He resisted arrest.
Ummmm that right there is enough.
He had no reason to be there. He and Good were involved in Signal Chat.
https://files.catbox.moe/onz239.mp4
So you support any American resisting arrest being shot. Got it.
Come on John. Officers were in a hostile environment with seconds to act. Agitators all around them. Yes, in a perfect world this man would still be alive.
But look at all the officers over time who did not react in time. Start in cemetaries
Don't get me wrong, I get it.
The broader question to which I am speaking is "do you want to live in a country where there's NO accountability for deadly force that IS found to be improper?"
This wasn't improper.
Choices have consequences. A whole list of bad choices resulted in the ultimate consequence.
The epitome of FO after FA.
No, and I think this was a tragic shooting.
But I also empathize with the officers involved. I cannot imagine the stress they must have been under with all that was happening around them.
They were on high alert to being attacked from all around. Their situation was just untenable.
Edit: grammar
Yes when they resist arrest and are told to stop and don't.
Then have a firearm on them while resisting arrest in a hostile environment.
I am truly amazed at the people on here defending these criminal protesters.
I'm not defending criminal protesters, and you suggesting I am is a little different than being called RACIST because you didn't like Obama's policies.
I'm defending the law. An officer is not supposed to use lethal force unless his or someone else's life is in
dangerimminent danger.The bottom line is whether you want to live in a country where people are not held accountable when they do overreact with deadly force and/or mistakes are made resulting in death.
I'm reminded of the story where a police officer, on his way home, at night without his emergency lights on blew through a stop sign (for no reason) and killed someone.
He tried to get out of it. He was dead wrong and should've got extra time just for the audacity.
"We have your gun now, and we have you surrounded, but you were armed a moment ago so boom boom boom."
If you want that to be the standard, then fine.
But if it becomes the expressed standard, it is going to hurt police/citizen relations.
In matters of life and death, "mistakes/overreacting" must have consequences.
He resisted arrest.
Ummmm that right there is enough.
He had no reason to be there. He and Good were involved in Signal Chat.
https://files.catbox.moe/onz239.mp4
I'm not defending the communist, GG. I'm looking at it from 40,000 feet with an attempt to be unbiased. Please read the post again. Thank you for your feedback
I was speaking to JohnTitor not you.
I understand your post.
Oh, my mistake. I apologize, GG. Gotta ask, GG Allen?
No.
I have no idea who that is.
My grandson calls me GG.
JohnTitor17
I STAND WITH TRUMP AND I STAND WITH ICE. Yes, I am yelling.
Please go to r e d d i t
NO legitimate peaceful protestor should be allowed to get that close.
Nope! Bring a gun, the rules change.
in the heat of the moment... apparently the only one that knew the gun was removed was the one officer.... in the circus.. likely no one noticed... and did they know that the deceased had only one gun??? likely not.... generally one or 2 shots fired should have been more than enough. bullets are expensive.... and with all the others in such close proximity, far too many shots had been fired. but.... you and I are all sitting behind our computers assessing the situation and not in the field of battle. keyboard judges, we all are.... much like the Kirk assassination, there will be 15 different scenarios posted.... some will believe each of the 15 and then no one will get the true story..... the riots and destrrction will continue and no one will know why after a while... then as soon as the next "big thing" comes along... this will be swept under the rug..... rinse and repeat.
Pretti Good
I don’t know whether the agents were right to wrong to shoot Pretti, but I find it interesting how differently the Left reacted to this shooting than Kyle Rittenhouse’s self defense shooting. Compare all the reasoning they had against him e.g. “he shouldn’t have even been there!” vs. how they react to Pretti. Suddenly they love the 2nd Amendment? As always with the Left, there’s no such thing as principles, only power.
One thing to bear in mind: The news moves fast and literally all you have to do is wait three days and this will all be forgotten. Trump understands that he has a long mission and it would do more damage to the mission to second-guess his agents, whereas he can just wait three days "There is an investigation, I don't want to comment until all information is available" and it fades. Morale intact.
Second guess those agents and they all lose morale and that spells the end of the mission of removing illegals. The agents will only be able to withstand the relentless attacks if they know 100% they are backed up EVEN IF they make a mistake. They are allowed to make mistakes. Trump should come out and maybe say that "Those agents have my 100% support EVEN IF they make a mistake, I know they are truly good people doing a very difficult job. 100% support from me NO MATTER WHAT"
That's the statement that is needed. The news cycle moves on, let it.
Nobody can justify 11 bullets in the back on a man who is down, with a face full of pepper spray. It was an execution. Please deport me, as it is very hard to leave this place, I have found some excellent support as a Chrisitian at this site. I cannot be a good Christian and remain. If this was a military operation, the officers would be court martialed. If this was a cop or two, they would be suspended while investigations took place. There is no such thing as unlawful protesting if there is no rioting. Along with reading the Gospel, may I suggest Thomas Paine? Good bye.