US Forest Service going away - 9 billion dollar budget in 2022 to do what exactly?
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Their job is to prevent us from using our land. They put up berm's and gates to keep the land to themselves. They also built themselves fancy cabins on the very best land,and they don't want us seeing them....
Some wouldn't call this winning.
If anyone would care to actually look into this, instead of just reading a headline, they're not ACTUALLY shutting down the forest service. They're restructuring it because, like literally everything else the federal government touches, its turned into a bloated beast that does nothing while sucking off tax dollars.
Basically, they're shutting down most of the regional offices and consolidating operations in a Utah office while moving to a "state led" model where 15 regional state officials (some obviously in charge of multiple states), are meant to cooperate and organize with the state level forest services to manage their individual forests. For example, instead of having to sign off for DOZENS, hundreds of people to do a controlled burning in say, Montana now, and get approval from EVERYONE in ALL the surrounding states (of which colorado would hold things up being a retarded blue state who WANTS everything to be complicated and as hard to do as possible), if they get the sign off from the one guy at the fed level, the Montana state level officials can do ANY controlled burn without approval or sign off or any say so from ANY of the surrounding states (again including colorado who would be the asshat in this specific scenario).
So like pretty much everything else Trump has done, he's basically fired most of the worthless federal workers who do nothing to justify their job and leech taxpayer money to make things worse and just let things take their natural course towards a better solution.
So the TLDR. Trump is streamlining operations and sacking middle managers like a Businessman would.
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Thanks for your detailed information.
All I know is that under Obama and his Federal Budget Cuts, a Federal campground where I used to do a lot of camping no longer would allow fires. I went there because it was a Federal campground. CA State parks won't let you pack heat. I won't go anywhere without my sidearm. It was some place I could drive to in a few hours from where I live. Besides, not many people at the time went there. Didn't have a lot of amenities and it didn't accommodate large RVs. Couldn't get a cell signal at the time either. The lack of people was just fine with me. Alcohol and party fools with guns don't mix.
Like what's the point of going camping if you can't have a damn campfire - thinking s'mores here. It was all because they allowed the forest to go to shit and stopped doing cleanups of brush and dead trees that we used for our campfires. The area was considered a fire risk. Also, without a fire the critters would waltz into the area. Like I already said, not a lot of people hanging around. Last time I was there I crossed paths with a juvenile cat when I went out at night to take a leak. I don't know who was more startled, me or the cat.
Exactly.
It's primordial. Essential. Takes you back - away from the honky tonk & closer to your core.
I'd say they didn't want you doing that - but I don't think they're intelligent enough to think of that.
Yes. I loved it there. Sometimes we would have the whole area to ourselves. No sounds of civilization other than the occasional plane flying overhead. Just the sounds of nature, breeze blowing through the trees, and crystal clear skies - especially at night which was spectacular. There was a small creek below from where I would set up camp that had brookies to catch and release. It had a bathroom but that was about it. You would have to haul your own water and trash. The campground was about 2 1/2 miles off the highway and it was an uneven dirt road all the way back. Certainly couldn't get a large RV back in there. About 8 miles up the highway there was a small town where I could go if I needed basic supplies. There was a ranger station there as well where I could pick up water for dishes and washing up. I used to drive up there about every other week during the summer months. Never went camping on holidays like 4th of July because I don't like being around drunken weekend warriors. I prefer the quiet of just sitting there for hours in thoughtful reflection mesmerized by the flames of a simple campfire. Obama screwed it all up.
I love those spots.
Unfortunately they are few & far between along the east coast. I've gotta go far West to really find the kind if solace that does it for me. I really don't understand why people bring the city with them and ruin it for everyone else with the loud music, carrying on like an animal and generally being the antithesis of the setting... Like go to a casino if you're going to act that way.
I used to love driving 4x4 along the dirt roads near the Continental divide... plenty of "Fourteeners" with clouds whizzing by your head and the possibility of snow in the summer. The perfect spot to take your time and cook those elk backstraps you've been saving... and of course, perfecting your "from scratch cobbler" that can ONLY be properly made while camping. You could also flex your boy scout skills, showing your special lady friend how to cook an egg in an orange peel, or practice those whittling skills you haven't had the time to exercise... There's really something to be said about enjoying the simplicity of it all. Modern life lost the plot...
Now that I'm thinking of camping, I'm sorta missing the majestic views (and them prairie varmints!) at Glacier NP. Really a sight to see... Yellowstone was neat - but not quite as enjoyable for me as say Glacier or the Rockies...cue John Denver - but there's some real nice spots in WV too... We'd get jn the car every once in a while and just pick a direction and see where we wound up. An outdated Rand McNally map book kept me and my brothers occupied while Dad drove. Mom got some time to herself... Everybody always had a great time... and you were reminded of just how great it was when you'd get a whiff of the campfire on your jacket or shirt you didn't get around to washing yet. I'd say it smelled better than frying bacon in those days!
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I hear you fren. Campfire smell on my clothes was always an automatic flashback of a simpler more peaceful pleasure.
When I lived in So Ca I often would head to PCH and flip a coin as to which direction I would head and then just explore. Drives along the coast back then were nice. Now there are too many people with an abundance of crazy incompetent drivers and the roads are in disrepair. The excessive building has killed many of the spectacular coastal views.
Sometimes I would ride my bike with nowhere particular in mind. End up at some small hole in the wall pub or roadhouse where the people were friendly and the food was usually always great. Ah, those were the days. Fond memories for sure. As great as the coast was, it still doesn't beat being out in nature though. That kind of peaceful solitude has become a rare commodity for most of us these days. I am surprised at the numbers of people that have never ventured outside of their concrete cages. I am grateful to God for having experienced the awesomeness of His creation. Those fourteeners are spectacular!
Oh you mean like THIS? 😁
Cheers fren!
The complication allows for fraud and money laundering.
See NJ DEP for examples.
Thanks for explaining all of this. Very helpful.
I call it a huge win. Fuk the tards,it's our land.
Our land, or more land for foreign corporations..?
Bill Clinton locked us out of using forest land years ago. Now we have no idea what the Forrest service is up too.
Has anyone tried a FOIA request?
I know they have built themselves huge fancy houses on isle royal,and you would never see them,from the accessible land.
What are they doing with 9 billion dollars? Making sure trees burn down equitably?
Forest management is actually very important. Canada burns every year because they stopped managing their forests. Same with California. It's due to mismanagement. Now I have no idea if the US Forest Service has done its job or is even needed, but forest management is actually needed. I wouldn't be flippant about that.
This is a great story for anyone who has 27 minutes.
German POWs learn about forest management and they realize that we're so confident we'll win the war that we're planning for future generations.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ABOzkXOzxCw&pp=ygUYZ2VybWFqIHBvd3MgbG9nZ2luZyBjYW1w0gcJCdoKAYcqIYzv
Agreed. Our Forests are a serious issue.
I'm guessing the principle is federal vs state. Might be better managed by the states, once they are made honest again.
It's also possible that the Bureau of Land Management will take over these services.
Making sure that Democrats are elected.
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How is this any valid response. Nature deserves more respect.
OK, where did 9 BILLION dollars go? Seriously? This is not about nature it's about a budget for a small service that's bigger than the gdp of a lot of countries.
The USA is a large area. What's the point of having. Trillion dollar defence budget if you come home to a Parking lot.
Lol, I just posted that. I am part of that 'some'
Not getting rid of, streamlining it, getting rid of the waste and bloat and back to basics. I mean.. If he got rid of it, who would keep BigFoot and friends inline out there in our national parks? right? heh heh heh. Just like most Gov run programs, its gone nuts with creating a bunch of nonsense jobs/positions/red tape and slush fund leaks is my thought. Jobs should stick to managing State and federal parks and forests, keep em clean, manage oldgrowth, make sure people are not out there hiding huge drug farms and other such illegal activities that put both, wildlife and visitors, hikers, campers at risk. The basics.. not becoming crazy activists/communists locking everyone out but, their approved buddies both, foreign and domestic.
They were supposed to manage the harvesting of timber products to be used to build things, instead they have evolved into an anti growth pro-Communist organization to prevent the citizens who actually own the forests from being able to use them.
It’s time to kill that boondoggle organization.
This is literally the old Kamala Harris Headquarters account.
And it’s posting blatant falsehoods. He’s not disbanding the Forestry Service. Operations are being streamlined to cut overhead and bureaucracy. While cooperation with State Agencies is increased and the Headquarters moved out of D.C to Utah to be closer to States with a plethora of Forestry Service land.
I seem to recall that a US Forest service employee in California Set the Julian fire because she was afraid of losing her job. Which she did as a result.
The Red Cross then took 75% of the donations meant for victims and then threw a huge Christmas party for themselves.(you could do that in the early 2000's.)
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national parks are for preserving secret cultures of beings and old tech sites - portals, shrines, ley line energy centers. That is why Park Rangers wield so much legal power.
This is awesome. Maybe theyll sell about half the land to private owners. Keepncorporations iut of it and limit the anount ro 5 acres. Maybe 10.