"Age" is a protected class in the US, so programmatically rejecting members of a protected class is illegal. And a big HR software company - that ABSOLUTELY SHOULD KNOW THE LAW - doing so is HUGE and is despicable (and makes one wonder how long it's been done, what other arbitrary and/or discriminatory code is embedded within it, and how many people have been discriminated against by it [the number could be huge, too]).
Under federal law, the Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA) protects individuals who are 40 years of age or older from employment discrimination. This protection covers all aspects of employment, including hiring, firing, pay, job assignments, promotions, and benefits, and is enforced by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC).
Key details regarding the protected age class include:
Threshold: Protection begins at age 40; workers under 40 are not covered by the federal ADEA, though some state laws may offer broader protections.
Coverage: The ADEA applies to employers with 20 or more employees, as well as state/local governments, labor organizations, and employment agencies.
Exceptions: Age-based distinctions are permissible only if age is a bona fide occupational qualification (BFOQ) reasonably necessary to the normal operation of the business, such as for safety-sensitive roles like pilots or firefighters.
Harassment: Harassment based on age is illegal when it is frequent or severe enough to create a hostile work environment or result in adverse employment actions.
State Variations: Some states have laws that extend protections to younger workers or apply to smaller employers (e.g., those with fewer than 20 employees).
I mean I’m with you that it’s gay of them to do that and it’s good they got caught. Just struggling to really see this as Q related, or even community interest related. I guess any big corporation being taken task would kind of qualify but it’s not quite like they’re being taken to task over H1B or anything. But yeah age discrimination. Guess we can throw that on the pile.
Might be Q related in the sense that ANYTHING could be coded in it to facilitate rejection of "average" US citizens and to make make DEI and illegal alien hiring easier (thereby facilitating replacement and "infiltration not invasion").
It could give the false impression that H1Bs are necessary because "there aren't enough qualified US applicants".
Also, consider that the full Social Security retirement age is 70 for MANY people 40 and over. A software automatically eliminating all those people from applicant pools effectively means they would potentially:
*incur 30 YEARS - 3 DECADES - of not being able to access jobs they are shut out of,
*being relegated to less desirable and/or less-well-paying jobs,
*ending careers (especially if knowledge and skillsets are unique or highly specialized),
and
*harming companies - and society, in general - from not being able to leverage those applicants' knowledge and experience.
Just struggling to really see this as Q related, or even community interest related
Same question with medical posts. In this case, I did include the drop I found relevant (1105), also any post with WWG1WGA, and as noted by ILT4, just evidence of a general state of war against Americans.
Any effort aimed at fighting back should be shouted from the rooftops.
It’s also proof that the EEOC is complicit and looking the other way on enforcement of existing statutes.
It's also protected conceptually outside the US in most of the west. You are not supposed to discriminate based on age in either direction. That said, most people do...
I honestly had no idea about them, and know quite a few people who’ve been unemployed for significant amounts of time, quite possibly from this exact problem.
They’re explicitly removing people from the employment pool based on their age! Nothing to do with ability, just age alone! Then the fellatio-addicted commucrats have the audacity to accuse us of “ageism”, which had never even been a thing anyone discussed? Now we see why they were doing that!
As far as HUGE, every good retweet that gets posted here has HUGE or BREAKING, and who wants to feel left out? Also though, seeing people actually fight back on one of these known problems IS huge, imho!
WWG1, WGA, fren. If we don’t fight, we all lose. Blessed be the fighters.
"Modern management" omits any understanding of work process or human labor capabilities. They are not concerned with what it takes or how it gets done; they are only concerned about product out the door and overhead costs.
This is not just prejudice. It had been famously said about The Boeing Company that it was "run by engineers." That wasn't entirely true, but it was true enough in spirit. Middle management were usually promoted from the engineering ranks---not that they were either the best engineers or the best middle managers, but they at least understood the engineering, and understood the engineers, and were able to learn. Upper management was a broader set, but they still paid attention to the engineers, and sometimes found out for themselves. (A telling story about past CEO Bill Allen: The Company was pondering whether to get into the business of making commercial jet aircraft. Allen was a lawyer, but he heard the engineers make their case. Then he arranged to be taken on a test flight in a company-produced B-47, fitted up in a high-altitude pressure suit, and installed in the forward bombardier compartment. They took off and flew around for some time at operational altitude. Allen was alone in the compartment, meditating on the experience. They came down, he was removed from the airplane...and decided this was the way of the future. The rest became history.) The ethos of the Company was: "We will perform the best engineering in the world, and if we are good at it, we will prosper."
This all changed upon the 1997 merger with McDonnell-Douglas, whereupon the former Boeing management ranks were decimated, replaced by MACDAC middle managers and top brass, few of whom understood engineering, and all of whom had a different ethos: "We are here to make as much money as possible, and we will do engineering only if it is absolutely required."
The short story of the long downhill slide was that the technical staff management was routed and replaced by HR types, technical skill codes were eliminated, and knowing what your staff was capable of doing was not a requirement of satisfactory management. Well, we then began to lose competitions or have problems with contracts (still ongoing). I saw all this through the last half of my career. It got to the point where there was literally no one left who knew what I did or what i could do. I was at retirement age, so I pulled the plug. Leaving the plant for the last time felt like Lot leaving Sodom: no looking back.
And yes, indeed. When I hired into Boeing, I was almost elated. A wonderful place to work, where everyone was clear-thinking and very expert. At the end, all I saw was the destruction (by neglect and intent) of veteran design teams, the crippling of technical capability, the explicit abandonment of project quality standards, and general fumbling. It was a downfall. I have learned to mistrust mergers.
Workday is huge, many companies, including small businesses and top trillion dollar firms, use it.
Secondly, to me this is a big deal because it seemed like there was a sudden explosion of movement against fraud around the US, removing tens of thousands of unqualified truckers from service, squeezing out illegals from getting jobs, and now this.
Seems like Trump is making a lot of moves domestically.
Ethics in my mind is human made up ideas to promote social goals whereas morality = principles from out Creator’s Word, designed to help us have harmony in this world (not a complete definition, but just to start)
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u/christine_grab any advice?
CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS ARE VERY EFFECTIVE.
u/#q1105
Why is this huge though? I know of Workday, but are they a well-known bad guy from our perspective and I just missed it or…?
"Age" is a protected class in the US, so programmatically rejecting members of a protected class is illegal. And a big HR software company - that ABSOLUTELY SHOULD KNOW THE LAW - doing so is HUGE and is despicable (and makes one wonder how long it's been done, what other arbitrary and/or discriminatory code is embedded within it, and how many people have been discriminated against by it [the number could be huge, too]).
https://search.brave.com/search?q=age+protected+class%3F
Under federal law, the Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA) protects individuals who are 40 years of age or older from employment discrimination. This protection covers all aspects of employment, including hiring, firing, pay, job assignments, promotions, and benefits, and is enforced by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC). Key details regarding the protected age class include:
Threshold: Protection begins at age 40; workers under 40 are not covered by the federal ADEA, though some state laws may offer broader protections.
Coverage: The ADEA applies to employers with 20 or more employees, as well as state/local governments, labor organizations, and employment agencies.
Exceptions: Age-based distinctions are permissible only if age is a bona fide occupational qualification (BFOQ) reasonably necessary to the normal operation of the business, such as for safety-sensitive roles like pilots or firefighters.
Harassment: Harassment based on age is illegal when it is frequent or severe enough to create a hostile work environment or result in adverse employment actions.
State Variations: Some states have laws that extend protections to younger workers or apply to smaller employers (e.g., those with fewer than 20 employees).
I mean I’m with you that it’s gay of them to do that and it’s good they got caught. Just struggling to really see this as Q related, or even community interest related. I guess any big corporation being taken task would kind of qualify but it’s not quite like they’re being taken to task over H1B or anything. But yeah age discrimination. Guess we can throw that on the pile.
Might be Q related in the sense that ANYTHING could be coded in it to facilitate rejection of "average" US citizens and to make make DEI and illegal alien hiring easier (thereby facilitating replacement and "infiltration not invasion").
It could give the false impression that H1Bs are necessary because "there aren't enough qualified US applicants".
Also, consider that the full Social Security retirement age is 70 for MANY people 40 and over. A software automatically eliminating all those people from applicant pools effectively means they would potentially:
*incur 30 YEARS - 3 DECADES - of not being able to access jobs they are shut out of,
*being relegated to less desirable and/or less-well-paying jobs,
*ending careers (especially if knowledge and skillsets are unique or highly specialized),
and
*harming companies - and society, in general - from not being able to leverage those applicants' knowledge and experience.
Great points.
Same question with medical posts. In this case, I did include the drop I found relevant (1105), also any post with WWG1WGA, and as noted by ILT4, just evidence of a general state of war against Americans.
Any effort aimed at fighting back should be shouted from the rooftops.
It’s also proof that the EEOC is complicit and looking the other way on enforcement of existing statutes.
It's also protected conceptually outside the US in most of the west. You are not supposed to discriminate based on age in either direction. That said, most people do...
I honestly had no idea about them, and know quite a few people who’ve been unemployed for significant amounts of time, quite possibly from this exact problem.
They’re explicitly removing people from the employment pool based on their age! Nothing to do with ability, just age alone! Then the fellatio-addicted commucrats have the audacity to accuse us of “ageism”, which had never even been a thing anyone discussed? Now we see why they were doing that!
As far as HUGE, every good retweet that gets posted here has HUGE or BREAKING, and who wants to feel left out? Also though, seeing people actually fight back on one of these known problems IS huge, imho!
WWG1, WGA, fren. If we don’t fight, we all lose. Blessed be the fighters.
Agreed. I’m over 40. Been wondering why I couldn’t get many bites in tech anymore with 18 years experience at 42. Maybe this is why.
It was always known that athletes aged like milk - everything is fine until it isn’t.
Looks like they’re trying to add a lot of other careers to that list…
"Modern management" omits any understanding of work process or human labor capabilities. They are not concerned with what it takes or how it gets done; they are only concerned about product out the door and overhead costs.
This is not just prejudice. It had been famously said about The Boeing Company that it was "run by engineers." That wasn't entirely true, but it was true enough in spirit. Middle management were usually promoted from the engineering ranks---not that they were either the best engineers or the best middle managers, but they at least understood the engineering, and understood the engineers, and were able to learn. Upper management was a broader set, but they still paid attention to the engineers, and sometimes found out for themselves. (A telling story about past CEO Bill Allen: The Company was pondering whether to get into the business of making commercial jet aircraft. Allen was a lawyer, but he heard the engineers make their case. Then he arranged to be taken on a test flight in a company-produced B-47, fitted up in a high-altitude pressure suit, and installed in the forward bombardier compartment. They took off and flew around for some time at operational altitude. Allen was alone in the compartment, meditating on the experience. They came down, he was removed from the airplane...and decided this was the way of the future. The rest became history.) The ethos of the Company was: "We will perform the best engineering in the world, and if we are good at it, we will prosper."
This all changed upon the 1997 merger with McDonnell-Douglas, whereupon the former Boeing management ranks were decimated, replaced by MACDAC middle managers and top brass, few of whom understood engineering, and all of whom had a different ethos: "We are here to make as much money as possible, and we will do engineering only if it is absolutely required."
The short story of the long downhill slide was that the technical staff management was routed and replaced by HR types, technical skill codes were eliminated, and knowing what your staff was capable of doing was not a requirement of satisfactory management. Well, we then began to lose competitions or have problems with contracts (still ongoing). I saw all this through the last half of my career. It got to the point where there was literally no one left who knew what I did or what i could do. I was at retirement age, so I pulled the plug. Leaving the plant for the last time felt like Lot leaving Sodom: no looking back.
Man that’s a sad story. You tell it well though.
Thanks.
And yes, indeed. When I hired into Boeing, I was almost elated. A wonderful place to work, where everyone was clear-thinking and very expert. At the end, all I saw was the destruction (by neglect and intent) of veteran design teams, the crippling of technical capability, the explicit abandonment of project quality standards, and general fumbling. It was a downfall. I have learned to mistrust mergers.
Tbh they are global, and also have been the main source of a lot of job application pages that LinkedIn and the job search companies redirect to.
Workday is huge, many companies, including small businesses and top trillion dollar firms, use it.
Secondly, to me this is a big deal because it seemed like there was a sudden explosion of movement against fraud around the US, removing tens of thousands of unqualified truckers from service, squeezing out illegals from getting jobs, and now this.
Seems like Trump is making a lot of moves domestically.
Also a good point.
6th year in a row, named to one of the most ethical companies
https://www.facebook.com/workday/posts/trust-isnt-built-overnightits-built-over-decades-for-the-6th-year-in-a-row-workd/1333427278816324/
Ethics in my mind is human made up ideas to promote social goals whereas morality = principles from out Creator’s Word, designed to help us have harmony in this world (not a complete definition, but just to start)
Well. Guess that put the kabbutz on an ethics award lol
😆