Pre-mil, amil, post-mil, pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, none of it matters for salvation. None of it should change your faith or how you praise Jesus.
Never said it did. But it does matter for other reasons. There's a difference between praising Jesus that he will rule on earth one day and praising Jesus because he's ruling right now.
Not to..... and judge each other
Christians are commanded to judge each other by God's standards. In fact you just judged me for judging didn't you? So are you a hypocrite or do you maybe have an inconsistent view of what scripture commands?
Live in the Spirit and you will know what “you” need to know.
Hardly. You're not commanded to live by the spirit alone. Your commanded to study and meditate on God's word as well.
Eschatology matters. It affects how you fight, build, and interact with the world.
As I said before, no one polishes brass on a sinking ship. If you think you're about to be yeeted into heaven are you going to fight, build, and take Dominion and start projects that your great-grandchildren will have to finish? Doubtful.
My church is Post Mill. We run EndAbortionNow.com and wrote the amicus brief that overturned Roe v Wade. We have bills of full abolition criminalization pending all over the nation. We have shut down multiple abortion clinics and saved countless babies and equipped churches all over the world to fight abortion In a biblical manner. We know this fight is gods. We know all we have to do is be faithful and step out in faith and do the work and God will give us the victory. Whereas other churches simply see abortion as a sign of the end times and refuse to do anything about it. Eschatology matters.
I frequently see churches with pessimistic eschatological views and positions being wildly ineffective to the world and the culture and their communities at large. I don't think this is an accident. If I was the enemy I would see this as a total victory.
We need to address the claims biblically and systematically, using Scripture to clarify how these things should be understood in light of God’s law and His design for human flourishing.
- Wealth is not inherently evil:
The Bible does not condemn wealth in and of itself but instead condemns the misuse of wealth, greed, and the love of money. Wealth can be a blessing from God and a tool to serve His purposes, provided it is acquired justly and used in accordance with His commandments.
Abraham, Job, and Solomon were all wealthy individuals blessed by God. In Genesis 13:2, Abraham is described as "very rich in livestock, in silver, and in gold," and God made a covenant with him, demonstrating that his wealth was not inherently sinful.
1 Timothy 6:10 clarifies the issue: "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil." It is not money itself, but the love of money, or greed, that leads to evil.
- Owning property and having employees is not sinful:
Scripture recognizes the legitimacy of property ownership and hiring workers. What matters is how property and employees are treated under biblical principles.
The Eighth Commandment, "You shall not steal" (Exodus 20:15), affirms the right to own property. Property rights exist under God's law, and theft is condemned as a sin. Private ownership is not evil when it is stewarded responsibly.
Hiring workers is also permissible. In Matthew 20:1-16, Jesus tells the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard, which assumes the employer-employee relationship is legitimate. The key is fair treatment, as echoed in James 5:4, which condemns those who exploit workers by withholding their wages.
- Passive income and investments are not condemned:
The Bible encourages wise stewardship and responsible management of resources. Passive income, such as rental properties or investments, can be part of faithful stewardship if done ethically.
In the Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:14-30), the master praises the servants who invest wisely and multiply their resources. Jesus Himself uses this parable to illustrate faithful stewardship of God’s gifts, indicating that generating income through wise investment is not inherently evil.
Proverbs 21:5 says, "The plans of the diligent lead to profit as surely as haste leads to poverty." Planning and wise financial management are seen as virtues in Scripture.
- Interest (usury) is not inherently evil:
The Bible differentiates between charging exploitative interest and lending money justly. Usury—excessive interest—is condemned, especially when it exploits the poor. However, lending at reasonable interest is permissible.
Exodus 22:25 forbids charging interest to the poor, particularly among fellow Israelites. The intent here is to protect the vulnerable from exploitation.
However, in Jesus' Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:27), the master rebukes the servant for not putting the money on deposit with bankers to earn interest, implying that in certain contexts, earning reasonable interest is acceptable.
- Corporations and business structures are not inherently evil:
The idea of using business structures such as corporations is not inherently evil. What matters is whether these structures are used to uphold biblical justice and fairness.
Colossians 3:23-24 says, "Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters." This principle applies to business owners, employees, and anyone involved in economic activity. The key issue is whether the work glorifies God and is done ethically.
Conclusion:
The argument that wealth, owning property, or employing people is inherently evil is not supported by Scripture. Rather, the Bible teaches that all these things can be used for good or evil, depending on how they are stewarded and whether they align with God's commands. The biblical worldview calls for responsible management, fair treatment of workers, ethical business practices, and using wealth for the glory of God and the benefit of others. Wealth and resources, when rightly stewarded, can be a means of advancing God's kingdom and helping those in need.
You absolutely need me to be some sort of evil boogeyman in order to be right and you keep making assumptions and personal attacks about my character and nature when I've given you absolutely zero details.
Well guess what.... You've gotten virtually everything wrong.
Bitter bitter bitter bitter.
You sure seem to focus a lot on wealth for someone who explicitly "doesn't love it"
It's literally what the conversations about. Should I be talking about the price of tea in China? That would be nonsensical. Now you're just being intellectually dishonest.
I'm standing on God's word. You're standing on covetness, envy, and bitterness.
Have fun with that.
Hey check this playlist I made out of you love eschatology. I put some killer stuff in here.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm4vxYfDpoYaWjqK76eZukIyKtyX5Xa-J&si=dMrtPF2UordHRGXZ
Where exactly in the world hasn't heard the gospel?
We have sent missionaries EVERYWHERE. That's long since been fulfilled.
Dispensationalism is only about 200 years old.
Why would you hold to a belief that wasn't shared by any of the apostles, Early church fathers or even our founding fathers?
Jesus said "this generation shall not pass till all these things take place."
Jerusalem was destroyed by Rome in 70ad. Rome had 7 hills with 10 governors (7 heads, 10 horns) it all lines up PERFECTLY.
Bingo. I've been telling people this for years.
The rapture is the greatest lie the devil has ever injected into the church. It has neutered the modern church.
No one polishes brass on a sinking ship.
Edit: here's a YT playlist of some of the best sermons, discussions, debates, and presentations on the end times.... with the best minds from all major positions represented. These are all very well respected theologians, pastors and scholars and not some weird fringe nutters trying to sell you food buckets and prayer cloths.
There's a lot here but pick a video that interests you and go from there. (They are in no particular order) https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm4vxYfDpoYaWjqK76eZukIyKtyX5Xa-J&si=dMrtPF2UordHRGXZ
I didn't compare myself to King David you dishonest POS.
I gave you an example from scripture of how wealth isn't evil.... From a man "after God's own heart"
I'll end with a little lesson in scripture to mop you up and then we're done (or to put it more accurately, you are)
In Matthew 19:24, Jesus says: "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." On the surface, this statement seems to suggest a condemnation of wealth. However, a deeper look at Scripture shows that Jesus is not condemning wealth itself, but the dangers of wealth when it leads to idolatry, greed, and reliance on worldly things instead of God.
Here’s a broader case that Matthew 19:24 does not forbid Christians from being wealthy, supported by other Scripture:
- Wealth is a Blessing from God, Not Inherently Evil
In Scripture, wealth is often depicted as a blessing from God, especially when it is used responsibly and in accordance with God's will.
Deuteronomy 8:18 – "But remember the Lord your God, for it is He who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms His covenant, which He swore to your ancestors, as it is today."
This passage highlights that wealth itself is a gift from God and can be part of His covenant blessings. God grants people the ability to acquire wealth, and it’s a sign of His favor when handled righteously.
Proverbs 10:22 – "The blessing of the Lord brings wealth, without painful toil for it."
Here, wealth is described as a blessing from the Lord, not something to be rejected outright.
- Righteous People in the Bible Had Wealth
There are numerous examples of faithful men and women in the Bible who were wealthy and remained righteous before God.
Abraham – Genesis 13:2 says, "Abram had become very wealthy in livestock and in silver and gold." Abraham is one of the most important figures in the Bible, yet his wealth did not hinder his relationship with God.
Job – Job was one of the wealthiest men of his time (Job 1:3) and was still described as “blameless” and “upright.” When his wealth was taken, God restored it twofold, showing that wealth in itself wasn’t the problem, but rather how one responds to its gain and loss.
Joseph of Arimathea – He was a rich man and a disciple of Jesus (Matthew 27:57). His wealth enabled him to provide a tomb for Jesus' burial, showing how wealth can be used for good in the service of God.
- The Context of Matthew 19:24
The context of this verse is the encounter between Jesus and the rich young ruler (Matthew 19:16-22). The issue here is not that the man was wealthy, but that his wealth had become an obstacle to following Christ. The man asked what he must do to have eternal life, but when Jesus told him to sell his possessions and follow Him, the man walked away sorrowful because he was unwilling to part with his wealth.
Jesus is teaching that wealth can become a spiritual hindrance when it controls one's heart. It's not the wealth itself, but the love of money that is the problem, as 1 Timothy 6:10 says, "For the love of money is the root of all evil." Christians are warned to guard against putting their trust in wealth instead of in God.
- Christians Can Own Property and Employ Others
There is no biblical command that forbids Christians from owning property or employing others, as long as these are done ethically and with fairness:
Proverbs 12:11 – "Those who work their land will have abundant food, but those who chase fantasies have no sense."
This verse implies that working and owning land, a form of property, is wise and can lead to abundance.
Ephesians 6:5-9 – This passage gives instructions to masters (employers) and slaves (employees), showing that such relationships existed and were not condemned. Instead, both parties are encouraged to treat each other with respect and fairness. In today’s context, this can be applied to employers and employees.
Proverbs 13:22 – "A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children, but the sinner's wealth is laid up for the righteous."
This shows that a righteous person may accumulate wealth and property to pass on to future generations, further confirming that having wealth and property is not inherently sinful.
- The Purpose of Wealth in a Christian Life
The Bible teaches that wealth should be used wisely, for the glory of God and the benefit of others:
1 Timothy 6:17-19 – "Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share."
This passage doesn’t condemn the rich but gives instructions on how they should use their wealth responsibly.
Acts 4:34-35 – Early Christians shared their possessions, ensuring no one was in need. While this isn’t a requirement for all believers, it demonstrates the importance of using wealth for the benefit of others.
Conclusion
Matthew 19:24 does not forbid Christians from being wealthy, but it warns against the spiritual dangers that can come with wealth if it leads to greed, idolatry, or self-reliance instead of reliance on God. Scripture shows that wealth is a blessing when used in accordance with God's will, and it is possible to be both wealthy and righteous. Christians are encouraged to be generous, ethical, and mindful of their spiritual priorities when it comes to wealth, property, and employing others. Wealth should be a tool for advancing God's kingdom, not an idol that competes with God for devotion.
Now go sit in the corner and think about all the stupid things you said.
All assumptions. You love making those.
I don't owe or borrow money so quit bearing false witness and repent of that.
Remind me if King David was rich?
You are the one lecturing from an unbiblical position.
I'm asking you to back up your position with scripture.
Most of my giving is anonymous. Funding adoptions isn't tax deductible.
Oh and PS.... I was homeless over 20 years ago before I came to Christ. Recently God blessed me abundantly for saving the lives, jobs, and freedoms of countless Christians and patriots.
Have a good day being bitter and envious.
I'm almost positive this technology already existents and is already in use.
I've been following a few companies that mine thorium for "next generation fuel" And they've been doing very very well for quite some time.
I think They have some government contracts.
Thorium based nuclear reactors are very exciting.
Doesn't use uranium.
Can't be weaponized and turned into bombs.
Safe from meltdowns.
Nuclear "waste" material is inert in about 100 years.
Thorium is wildly available.
If you don't love it then give it all away.... if was meant to be it will fly back to you and was always meant to be.
Excuse me what? Why would someone give away what scripture says they should leave for their family?
Show me ONE verse that says give away your money and it will come back.
This is so lme new age "universe" BS.
I'm sick of people like you thinking money is evil. Money is a representation of time and labor.
God frequently blessed hardworking and faithful people with money because they can use it for His glory and to help others.
You sound like a damn commie.
Your entire reply was judgment. Deciding if something is writing or wrong is judging if something is right or wrong by using the standard of scripture which is exactly what I'm saying scripture instructs us to do.
Thanks for agreeing with me without agreeing with me lol.
Christians are commanded to judge.... By God's standards.
The verse about a log out of your eye is specifically about Not ignoring sin in your own life and wait for it.... Judging yourself as well.
I'm sorry but you are not taking a remotely traditional Christian position but more of a modern evangelical position.
You can't preach the gospel to a non-believer without calling out their sin which is a judgment.
The totality of scripture instructs to judge by God's standards.
And as far as insulting pagans... Well there's quite a bit of harsh language.
I think my favorite is first Kings 18:27 were Elijah sarcastically taunts the prophets of Baal If their God is taking a shit. Then we have Jeremiah calling Israel a whore or in Galatians 5:12 where Paul told them to go ahead and cut their entire penises off.
So yeah, harsh language has its place.
Have a good day.
God gives you the right to judge other people based on their beliefs and actions.
Yes. He instructs us to based upon His standards. In fact scripture says the saints will even judge the angels.
But if you paid careful attention to the Gospels and to what Jesus actually taught us, it is not our place to judge others.
Oof. You just made a very foolish assertion. First you judged me for judging. Hypocrite? Or maybe you have a poor understanding of what Jesus was saying there and it's you that didn't pay attention to God's Word.
Let me help you out...
Jesus' teaching about judging others, particularly in the Sermon on the Mount, is often misunderstood to imply that Christians should never judge at all. However, when we examine His words in the context of Scripture, it becomes clear that Jesus was instructing His followers to judge righteously, according to God's standards, and not by human or superficial measures. Here's a case for this understanding:
Jesus' Teachings on Judging
- Matthew 7:1-5:
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?... First take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."
Explanation: At first glance, it seems Jesus is telling us not to judge at all. However, He goes on to say that we must first examine ourselves (remove the "log" in our own eye), so we can "see clearly" to help our brother. This implies that judgment, when done humbly and righteously, is part of our responsibility. We are not called to judge hypocritically or by human standards, but rather with humility, after self-reflection.
- John 7:24:
"Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment."
Explanation: Here, Jesus directly commands His followers to judge, but He clarifies that the judgment must not be superficial or based on appearances. Instead, we are called to judge rightly, which is to judge according to God's standards, in truth and righteousness.
Other Scriptures on Judging with God's Standards
- 1 Corinthians 5:12-13:
"For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. 'Purge the evil person from among you.'"
Explanation: The Apostle Paul instructs the church to exercise judgment within the body of believers, using God's moral standards to hold one another accountable. This shows that Christians are not only permitted but required to judge sinful behavior within the church.
- 1 Corinthians 2:15:
"The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one."
Explanation: A person who lives by the Spirit, walking in accordance with God's Word, is called to judge all things spiritually. This means discerning between good and evil, truth and falsehood, based on God's standards, not man's.
- Matthew 18:15-17:
"If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother."
Explanation: This passage shows Jesus' instruction on dealing with sin within the community. Here, we see that confronting someone about their sin—essentially making a judgment—is a loving and necessary act for restoring the sinner. This judgment must be done in alignment with God's law.
- Galatians 6:1:
"Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness."
Explanation: This verse emphasizes the need for judgment to be done in gentleness and humility, reflecting God's character. It is not a harsh, self-righteous judgment, but rather a righteous judgment aimed at restoration.
The Case for Judging by God's Standards
Throughout Scripture, Jesus and the Apostles call believers to exercise judgment, but always in accordance with God's righteous standards, not human or hypocritical standards. Here are the key reasons:
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God's Law is the Ultimate Standard: Christians are called to uphold God's commandments and discern between right and wrong based on His Word, not cultural trends or personal preferences (Isaiah 5:20). Jesus Himself, in John 8:15-16, said, "You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone who judge, but I and the Father who sent me."
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Judgment Begins with Self-Reflection: Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 7 is not a prohibition on all forms of judgment but a call to begin with humility and self-reflection before judging others. This prevents hypocrisy and ensures that judgment is grounded in righteousness, not personal pride.
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Judging to Restore and Protect the Community: Scriptural examples, such as in Matthew 18 and 1 Corinthians 5, show that Christians must judge in order to maintain the purity of the church and to restore those who have gone astray.
Conclusion
Jesus did not condemn all forms of judgment but warned against hypocritical and unrighteous judgment. Christians are called to judge rightly, meaning according to God's standards—His Word and law. This judgment must be exercised in humility, with a heart toward restoration, and in the fear of the Lord. Other scriptures confirm that Christians have the responsibility to judge sin within the church and to discern truth from error, always in accordance with God’s revealed truth.
So maybe tone it down a notch. Your position was obviously hypocritical with just basic logic applied AND completely wrong with a cursory look at the totality of scripture. You literally can't even preach the gospel without judgement. This is super basic stuff and not exactly deep theological dogma.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and truth.
Where do you get truth from if you don't start with God?
Seriously.
Absolute truth presupposes the God of scripture. This is basic Vantillian presuppositional apologetics. If you reject the god of scripture then you can account for truth, laws of logic, the principle of induction or the basis for any argumentation.
Everything becomes subjective like a fool that builds his house upon the sand.
"Truth" starts with God and His Word.
Yes, this is in large part a war between religions. God's truth vs Satan's lies.
Fact: all religions contradict each other.
Conclusion: Either all religions are false or ONE is true.
Which one do Q drops reference?
Only one, The Bible and the God of scripture.
God instructs us to hate the lies of the devil and evil.
The principalities run all the other religions.
The "camel fuckers" I referenced are followers of a totalitarian ideology called Islam which considers all other non-believers less than dogs, and they have a pretty fucking low opinion dogs.
Don't step to me about religion and awakening. My church wrote the amicus brief that overturned roe v Wade. I worked the cyber ninjas Arizona audit. I've made more "replacement" vaccine cards for Patriots than you can shake a stick at. I've been at this a LONG time.
Okay first of all A woman in India isn't really a 1st hand account of what's going on.
Secondly.. what appliances exactly?
I'm open to being wrong but I'm gonna need some better sources and clear details.
I hope we can agree the other side has a HUGE interest in making this seem like it's more than a targeted strikes for optics.
Lol you replied to the same comment twice!
You must be BIG MAD!
(and we were using letters from usernames. At no point did we lay out rules they could only be used once)
Here's a few more:
Pathetic
Deadbeat
Doted
Parrot
Tepid
See? Still better than you.
Combative? No. Conflicting beliefs? Yes. That's called a discussion. Religious? Yes. Christianity IS a religion.... based upon God's Word which is the standard. This is super simple stuff.
I was sharing knowledge.... IN A DISCUSSION which is EXACTLY what you are doing too. As for works.... I was demonstrating what the differing views of end times lead to. I could easily give you many other examples from other post-mill churches such as the wonderful work of Christ Church in Moscow Idaho. IDC who does the work and is faithful to God, I want children saved from death. I want churches fighting the culture and being hated for it. I want us to be salt and light. Full stop.
LOL you don't even understand what that means. If you are gonna use that in the future I suggest you familiarize yourself with it. I'll help you out.... It describes someone who is hypocritical or overly focused on religious rituals without true understanding or sincerity. Quit throwing around popular evangelical terms you don't understand.
No one was bickering. despite that, you tried to make some pretty stupid and baseless personal attacks against me. You just had your feathers ruffled because i swept the legs out from under some of your other arguments and took it personally. I was addressing your position, not you. You did not respond in kind so here we are. Pearls to swine.
I would recommend you walk away from this one. You don't seem to have the temperament for the exchange of ideas in a productive manor and at a certain point I may choose to start actually punching back which believe me, I haven't even remotely done. I thought we were having a brotherly convo.
Have a blessed day.