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JollyRancherHard -1 points ago +1 / -2

Where are the holes the actual ENGINES would have made, out to the side? ..... Instead, a big missile looking hole, right in the middle. The holes on the sides of building were much larger than a jet engine.

One of the issues people have when considering this is just how massive these buildings were

https://images.app.goo.gl/LpBs6TzLPnVHdRig9

You can see the building is wider than the airplane and that large hole in the side is around 40 feet high.

The side panels at the exterior columns were built from were three stories high which would be about three times 12 ft. By my eye the hole is bigger than an entire panel probably around 4 full stories.

A plane like that is hollow in the middle, and would just fall apart when hitting a solid structure.

It's all a question of momentum.

What happens when a ping pong ball hits a ping pong paddle You might be surprised https://youtu.be/YYNCGZCul1Q?si=q00Uv4nhekEHLYs7

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JollyRancherHard -10 points ago +1 / -11

The towers did not fall into their own footprint.

The WTC complex was on a plaza that is like 15 acres. It's a big space. Multiple buildings were on that plaza. The towers collapsed on those buildings.

WTC 7 is not even on this plaza. It across a city street from the plaza. Debris from one of the towers fell onto WTC 7 and took a chunk out of the corner of the building.

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JollyRancherHard 2 points ago +3 / -1

Well, the government isn't supposed to have any powers the constitution doesn't specifically state so they shouldn't be able to do it.

You mention getting out of treaties.

Which seems to imply the government can do that.

The question is how does it happen with regards to this specific one.

I don't think it's as cut and dry as you make it here

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JollyRancherHard 1 point ago +2 / -1

Holy Smokes!

Rudy ordered to pay $148 million in damages

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JollyRancherHard 29 points ago +30 / -1

Looking this up, it seems that signing a treaty requires the advise and consent of 2/3 of the Senate.

But the power to end a treaty is not specfiied and the Supreme Court hasn't ruled on it.

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JollyRancherHard 3 points ago +4 / -1

Here's a document Giuliani filed in this case.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23887666-rudy-giuliani-ga-election-workers-defamation-stipulation

There's lot of legalese in this, but Giuliiani admits what he said about them was false..

That's the heart of the case.

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JollyRancherHard 0 points ago +1 / -1

He did not.

Treason is very strictly defined in US Law. Last treason conviction dates back to WWII. it has to be involve an enemy we are actively at war with.

He also technically wasn't working for the government of Russia. He was convicted of violating US sanctions law because Oleg Derispaka has been sanctioned by the US.

He will also be sentenced in another case. He plead guilty to hiding payments from a former Albanian intelligence officer.

https://themessenger.com/news/former-fbi-spy-catcher-charles-mcgonigal-pleads-guilty-to-secretly-taking-225000-from-albanian-intel-officer

I think the specific charge is a being an unregistered foreign agent.

Actually looking it up he plead guilty to "concealment of material facts." It might have been that because he was FBI or ex FBI he was required to report this loan.

You usually get a better deal when you plead guilty, but it's quite possible the FBI didn't want to go to trial

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JollyRancherHard 2 points ago +2 / -0

I wouldn't hold my breath on those.

This was criminal conduct from 2021, not sure how that would considered one of the Indictments talked about years earlier. Even if he was indicted, which he wasn't. I'm pretty sure he plead guilty before an Indictment.

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JollyRancherHard 1 point ago +1 / -0

I really have no clue how any of that connects to what we were talking about.

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JollyRancherHard -2 points ago +1 / -3

Just looked at first 4. None of these guys are founding fathers. Milligan wasn't ever American.

Columbus was definitely celebrated in the US, but he was Italian who sailed for Spain and the landed in the Bahamas

The J. E. B. Stuart Monument, defaced during protests in Richmond, Virginia, was removed on July 7, 2020. The statue of Christopher Columbus at the Minnesota State Capitol moments after it was pulled from its pedestal by American Indian Movement protesters. The vandalized statue of Robert Milligan outside the Museum of London Docklands before it was removed. The Albert Pike Memorial in Washington, D.C., after protesters toppled the statue of Pike.

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JollyRancherHard 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah he is definitely charged with conduct after he left

But check this out......seems like he started playing footsie while still on the job.

As an FBI official, McGonigal helped investigate Deripaska and other Russian oligarchs. As a SAC, he supervised investigations into sanctions violations. Yet at the same time, he began building a relationship with an agent of Deripaska, in the hopes of doing business with Deripaska after he retired from the FBI.

It could be the DOJ didn't want to charge conduct while still on the job, because it could get into classified stuff.

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JollyRancherHard 1 point ago +1 / -0

A. Can you give an example? What executive orders have changed your life.

B. Executive Orders don't give the President new powers. They are rooted in US laws.

For example, 13818 is an EO a lot of people know. Right up front it tells you why the President has this power, it cites about 4 or 5 laws

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/12/26/2017-27925/blocking-the-property-of-persons-involved-in-serious-human-rights-abuse-or-corruption

Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) (IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) (NEA), the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act (Public Law 114–328) (the β€œAct”), section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (8 U.S.C. 1182(f)) (INA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,

The key law that is cited is this one Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act (Public Law 114–328)

This law was passed in 2016 and required the executive to set up a new sanctions scheme. The executive order didn't come out of nowhere, it's the way the law passed by Congress and signed by the President is going to be implemented.

If you look up the law https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/284/text

The law says a bunch of stuff the president "shall" do like

Regulatory Authority.β€”The President shall issue such regulations, licenses, and orders as are necessary to carry out this section.

In legal language shall means you have to do that. So one of the things the President had to do to follow this law is to issues the orders/guidelines etc that says how the law will work.

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JollyRancherHard 0 points ago +1 / -1

What we don't know, is whether he is for or against Russia. We must determine that, before jailing his FBI contacts. But journalists these days don't use discernment.

We do know where Derispaska stands. He's clearly close to the Russian government.

We also don't need to know that before jailing his FBI contacts. We just need to know if he committed a crime. He did. This is what he said today in court.

"I committed a felony and as a former FBI special agent it causes me extreme emotional and physical pain," McGonigal told the judge prior to the imposition of the sentence. "I stand before you today with a deep sense of remorse."

...

Isn't gathering derogatory information the purpose of the FBI? But fine, go ahead and crucify someone for it.

FBI agents are supposed to work for the FBI on behalf of the United States, they are not supposed to be cutting sides deals to use the power of the DOJ to line their pockets on behalf of private citizens or foreign nationals.

I don't know if he started working for Derispaska as an FBI agent, but he clearly knew he was sanctioned and clearly knew he was breaking the law. He worked in counterintelligence!

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JollyRancherHard 1 point ago +1 / -0

I didn't know this was coming out today but like two days ago I learned something about Oleg Deripaska I didn't know. He was a winner of what they call Aluminum Wars in Russia. Control of the Russian Aluminum industry involved gangsters and hitmen and murders.

This story came out two days ago Siberian Ex-Lawmaker, Aluminum Magnate Jailed 12 Years for Murder – Interfax https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/12/11/siberian-ex-lawmaker-aluminum-magnate-jailed-12-years-for-murder-interfax-a83377

"Someone was getting murdered every three days." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/abramovich-tells-of-role-in-aluminium-wars-6256950.html

Deripaska was marred to Boris's Yeltsin #1 guy's daughter. The #1 guy then married Yeltsin's daughter. So Derispaska was like Yeltsin grandson.... which bought him a lot of political protection

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JollyRancherHard 1 point ago +1 / -0

One of the highest-ranking FBI agents to ever face criminal charges was sentenced to over four years in prison on Thursday for secretly colluding with a Russian oligarch.

Charles McGonigal, a former counterintelligence leader in the FBI's New York field office, pleaded guilty to a conspiracy charge. McGonigal's lawyers had asked for no prison time, but the judge came down harshly on the former FBI bigwig.

Oleg Deripaska who is sanctioned by the US was using McGonigal to dig up info on a business rival

"McGonigal knew full well that Deripaska was sanctioned," prosecutors said in their sentencing memorandum. "McGonigal also cannot claim that he was unaware that he was selling his services to a scoundrel working against America's interests."

Despite that knowledge, they said McGonigal sought to gather derogatory information about a rival oligarch, Vladimir Potanin, and Potanin's interest in a corporation that he and Deripaska were vying to control.

Prosecutors cast it as a serious crime that deserved a serious punishment.

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