I could add a lot more to that list...a lot! But it's a good start.

Apparenly you've never listened to Neil DeGrass Tyson, cabal-endorsed globe spokesman, eh? He's on record for stating Felix Baumgartner didn't see any curvature at 125,000 feet (24 miles) {as the on-board camera showed}.

And if that wasn't enough, they had to wheel Neil back out on the circuit to run even more embarrasing damage control after Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic high-altitude flight which was over 50 miles above the surface and he had to again run thought his stOOpid beachball example and remind everybody that Felix was only like 1mm (millimeter) above the beachball and the Virgin Galactic crew was only 2mm above the beachball and could in no way see any curvature.

And yet you somehow have deceived yourself into believing you saw curvature from a Cessna which couldn't even get to a third of Baumgartner's height, let alone the altitude of Virgin Galactic flight.

And you GLOBALISTS call us flat-earth researchers delusional - when it's CEARLY & UNDENIABLY the other way around!!!

There are mountains of proof of us living on a globe

You misspelled "LIES". There's literally none.

Yet not one single picture of the edge of the Earth.

You demonstrate you've either never researched flat earth for even a second, or you've fallen for the Google/YouTube algorithm's suggestions. How clumsy of you.

Ever wonder why Google/YouTube deplatforms, censors and de-optimizes all the legitimate flat earth researchers out there (dozens upon dozens)? Yeah, you globalists don't wonder about that, do you?

Yet not one single picture of the edge of the Earth.

You haven't read anything I've said in this thread apparently. Firstly, we're not allowed to travel past the 60th parallel. Go give it a try sometime and you'll wind up in an unfriendly prison. Yet another thing you globalists don't wonder about.

Secondly, no flat earther has ever claimed there is an "edge". Only the Google/YouTube(CIA)-sponsored "Flat Earth Society" makes that suggestion. You've done been double-fooled my friend...congrats to you sucka!!! P.T. Barnum was right!

The burden of proof is on you nutjobs to prove that the 1000s if not millions of pictures of the earth being curved/round are wrong. Not the other way round.

Congratulation for an entire post that's 100% completely wrong and backwards, as usual from the blindly trusting GLOBALIST community.

Maxim of Law -> "He who makes the claim bears the burden of proof". You've tangled yourself up in a "Proof of claim logical fallacy". Once again, classic globalist confusion and delusion. It's your pals the GLOBALIST ESTABLISHMENT that has MADE THE CLAIM that we live on a ball. And yet they can't produce a single scientific experiment to prove it. How odd, no? Shouldn't there be hundreds, even thousands of proofs of the ball they can demonstrate? Yet another question none of you globies ever bother to ponder...

There are literally THOUSANDS of pictures and videos now roundly and soundly demonstrating that we can see way further than the 3954 mile radius claimed by the CABAL ESTABLISHMENT GLOBALISTS should allow. Hundreds of different independent researchers have captured them. The only way to disprove all these pix and vids is to suggest the radius is at least 10x larger that claimed. It's the only way. But if the establishment did this, then they'd have to account for 10x land mass and ocean mass and that's just not going to be possible, now is it?

And how do the totally-in-denial-globalists defend this mountain of evidence? Why they claim and whine like little babies "muh refraction"!!!!! And yet they don't even know what refraction is. I'm embarrassed for them when they say it. It's a pure defense mechanism to their cognitive dissonance and doesn't explain a thing. They've literally got everything backwards, including their ideas about refraction. It's like arguing with a 4-year old about why you won't buy him a candy bar at the checkout aisle. The kid won't accept any explanation you give him no matter what, and instead go into a temper tantrum. This is exactly how the globe-defenders who debate the flat-earthers behave. Every. Single. One. of them, bar one whom I've only just seen recently. I look forward to seeing this guy show up at the debate table again. While I see he's lost in his PhD brainwashing, at least he acts like an adult. The other 50 globe-defenders I've seen act like babies.

Honestly, I'm embarrassed for all you globies at this stage. Three years ago I might have given you a pass. Five years ago I would have let it slide as I was only just coming to terms with flat earth. Seven years ago I would have been right there with you. But in 2023? You've gotta be asleep at the wheel or a pure mainstream leftist not to realize the globe lie man.

There are tens of millions of flat earthers out there now (maybe over a hundred million), growing by the thousands every day. And it's not because they're all a bunch of morons, it's the exact opposite. These people have woken up to all the lies we're immersed in, many of which are regularly exposed on this board. Which is why I find it so hard to believe there so many globies here, knowing at least how many political and medical lies we're immersed in. How can you not recognize that it's possible, even likely that there are lies about the very nature of the reality we live in too? What gives?

I find it astonishing that you're here on GA yet continue to defend the globalists without doing ANY research on flat earth. You're in denial like all the other globies. To not even ask questions demonstrates this. You boldly state NON-FACTS that frankly have been debunked 5+ years ago that aren't even debated any longer by the globe defenders.

I'll say it again, for the 50th time in this thread, and the 1000th time on this board. All the pictures and videos you've seen that you BELIEVE who curvature or a globe are produced by NASA or some other cabal-nation space agency. Every. Single. One. They are all photo-manipulated or video CGI in one way or another. This has been proven over and over again by the FE community. Even NASA employees have admitted that our most recent pictures of the alleged globe were completely photoshopped and are "composite images" that they have to stitch together. Not a single "Picture/Photograph" exists that hasn't been.

Since you BELIEVE you've seen curvature from your Cessna, you should give old Tyson a call and let him know he's out there on national television embarrassing himself. Sigh

Wait what?

You think you'll see curvature with a "singular skydive"?

Airplane windows DO distort what you see, they're curved and make everyting else looked curved, as anybody can see. Nothing to debate.

It's almost like they don't care about the truth

You mean the "globalists" as "they", right?

just want to create a conspiracy theory so nutty that it makes anyone who believes any conspiracy theory look bad

That they tricked us all into believing we live on a ball, starting in kindergarten no less, IS the conspiracy theory, as is the case with 99% of all mainstream BS we've been taught all our lives...

But you have no connection to science, which refutes you in every way.

I keep waiting for your irrefutable, repeatable scientific refutation, yet you fail to deliver over and over again. Can't you see that?

Science is based on observation

You misspelled SCIENTISM which is what you BELIEVE in.

and we daily observe the truth of the Earth's shape and nature

Dude, you're mentally lost in abstractions. Nobody has ever observed the Earth's shape - save the phake and ghey astronauts. This is a complete waste of time, every sentence you write is mistaken...which is what it takes to maintain your GLOBALIST beliefs. You've got to be wrong again and again and again to believe the lie. There's no other way.

and build technology and transportation industries based on it

You're wrong again. We've found hundreds of proposals and schematics from the biggest defense contractors - Northrup Grumman, Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, etc. All of these companies build aircraft, missiles, long-distance ammo, etc. and they regularly state their technology "treats the earth as a flat and stationary plane". There are literally HUNDREDS of these papers that have been discovered. Not to mention sharpshooters never account for any curvature either.

Airline pilots readily admit they don't "nose down" or "correct for curvature", yet they'd need to be doing exactly this, about a mile every 5 minutes at cruising altitude...and yet they don't - nor does auto-pilot do this. Nobody does. Remarkable how nobody flies off into "outer space"...yawn.

You're just wrong on literally EVERY COUNT deathray. It's really sad, all do to your unwillingness to do your own research.

If you can travel to the southern 60th parallel, you can circumnavigate Antarctica and find that your travel is far less than the circumference of the equator.

And you're wrong again, what a surprise! Nobody has ever circumnavigated Antartica, because it's not a "continent/island". If you think they have, go find proof of their trip. And no, guys from the 1500s-1900s don't count as they have no video evidence. Some of these explorers might have "thought" they did, but that's hardly proof. Besides, there should be millions of successful circumnavigations in modern times, if it were possible, which it isn't. You won't find any evidence of such a feat, as usual.

People have embarked on ventures to the North Pole, which has no international prohibitions---mainly to prove the absence of the Arctic Ocean, but generally fail due to unexpected ice (the irony is delicious).

You're quite the sucker for government/cabal propaganda deathray. Embarrassing really, especially on this GA forum. I'm not going to be able to help you much if you continue to accept government lies and deceptions as truths.

There are commercial expeditions to the South Pole, and you can confirm that is where you are by taking sextant shots of the Sun.

You don't find it fishy that you're not allowed to do this by yourself? You're a good little obedient and loyal citizen deathray. Good for you for not upsetting your masters!

There are satellites that have polar orbits. We maintain launch facilities at Vandenberg Space Force Base in California for that purpose. They do take imagery. Some of it is classified intelligence, but the rest of it is weather reconnaissance.

Images is right, zero PHOTOGRAPHS. It's all faked to keep the lie going, but you obviously can't accept this as even a POSSIBILITY!!

No fakery from Apollo or really any other time. All you can do is make completely fanciful claims of "fake," without any proof. You are just in denial.

As usual, you've got everything bassackwards. Apollo was nothing but 100% fakery!

Gravity exists. Don't be a fool. You even admit it exists, but you want to explain it otherwise.

Really? You'd be the first person to explain it to the rest of the world then. What is it deathray? You've apparently got the drop on all the great astrophysicists alive today as well as the past. Remarkable that you're just some random dude on a tiny little forum and yet you've discovered "gravity" - amazing!

Others are still trying to understand it. Meanwhile, we live with it and send satellites around the Earth and probes to other planets, all involving gravity fields (and even "gravity assists" to impart extra velocity to the probes).

You really don't understand which is sad. What IS gravity deathray? What is IT? You're speaking of nothing but an EFFECT, not an IT.

Electrical engineers know what magnetism is (but you don't).

Once again, they understand EFFECTS, but don't know the IT, the actual CAUSE. Magnetism blows away the laws of entropy as well and proves that "perpetual energy" exists. But you wouldn't know anything about that, would you, as it's not in your academic textbooks and scientism journals.

Who defends "dark matter" and "dark energy"? Not me. No more than a supposition by some cosmologists, having nothing to do with the life we experience. You are shooting at a straw man.

Are you kidding me? The entire cosmological model is 100% WRONG without dark energy/matter. You better darn well defend it, otherwise you can't explain all the phake and ghey distances, sizes, orbits etc. of your imaginary "rocks in space". Your response here goes directly to how delusional you globalists really are. They had to INVENT this phake stuff to make their cosmological model work!!!

Since the Moon landing is a fact, no, you don't need to talk about fictitious "lies."

LOL, okay, now I see there's literally zero hope for you.

Bold claims, but no one has done it. This is not to say there aren't doubters and other researchers. But you should not get wrapped up in Einstein, when the question at hand (flat Earth) has nothing to do with him. This is just a rhetorical distraction.

Not at all, I'm merely pointing out all the PROVABLE & OBVIOUS lies being told by our degreed and accredited EXPERTS & AUTHORITIES the world round. They are all brainwashed and as such, continue to teach us and each other the lies they were taught. It's all so simple!

Sorry about quantum theory. Proven the hard way by the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And by the creation of solid-state circuits. And the creation of lasers. Our modern technology couldn't exist without it.

Wrong again you are. Firstly, no nukes were dropped in Japan in 1945. Secondly, nuclear physics doesn't rely on quantum superposition theory - which is a giant fairytale, an impossibility really.

Photons are easily proven. They account for the "twinkle" of starlight: individual photons arriving sporadically.

You've found photons too? You're going to shock the scientific world with your proof of both gravitons and photons. Why are you wasting time posting on this board when you could be revolutionizing the scientific world with all your discoveries that thus far have eluded mankind?

There are atoms. Even the ancient Greeks hypothesized them.

You continue to not understand. The first thing you'd have to do is actually SEE an atom which nobody can as electron microscopy can only visualize static matter. Just like photons and gravitons, the same situation here. The Greeks hypothesizing atoms doesn't make them real. Newton hypothesizing a THING called "gravity" doesn't make it real. Why is this so hard to understand for you globalists?

If the Flat Earthers have their act together, where is the Flat Earth map (and atlas)? Where is the Flat Earth astrodynamic theory? You wave your arms, produce videos and webpages, but leave no trail of documentation that can be checked against reality.

You prove again and again you've never even bothered to investigate this subject as there are maps galore out there. And there are many ancient maps produced before 1900 as well, some going back to antiquity. But you've made it quite clear you prefer your modern globalist death cult's material. You know that movie "Idiocracy", which was really a documentary? We're living in it right now and you're demonstrating it to a tee!

Of course there were photos taken before CGI.

And here you demonstrate you didn't even bother to read what I said. Well done, I'm obviously wasting my time.

I am willing to consider that I have been lied to

I think you're lying. You don't want to find out you've been fooled.

if I am provided a true picture that is a better descriptor of what I see.

What can you "see" deathray? Can you "see" the "globe"? No you can't. You're confusing what you "can see", with images and phake videos of what somebody else (the cabal) has shown you. You've never seen a lick of curvature, nor could you, even if you could pay your way for a high altitude flight at 100 miles above the surface - guess what - still no curvature. Your globe god Neil DeGrasse Tyson flatly states this is so. So to think you've ever seen anything resembling a "globe" is just your inability to distinguish between reality and cabal-simulated fakery

You guys haven't done this at all.

You really must be kidding. FlatEarthDave's phone App is precisely the Flat Earth Map. It's been around for at least 5 years, but he took it from others that made it even earlier then that - probably 10 years ago. And the friggin United Nations logo is exactly what the flat earth map is. They, the rulers of this realm for the moment, have been shoving it right in your face for over 70 years, and still you miss it, instead whining about what you're afraid to look into for yourself. The audacity of you globalists!!!

You don't even bother to find explanations of all the evidence against your position.

This is literally almost the only thing the FE community has been doing for over 10 years!!! They know the "globe model" better than all you globalists because they had to learn about it in order to debunk all the lies.

You really are lost and it's clear you've never bothered to investigate this subject, which explains how you're continually wrong about every thing you write.

So, don't lecture me on "scientific evidence."

I'm not LECTURING you deathray. I'm saying if you can't produce any, then you don't have a viable proof of the globe. But this is lost on you as you think your scientism is actually science. Herein lies the rub.

I'd like make an easy $45K and arrive at the truth, just like you. Your challenge is to provide a single scientific proof and then bang, you're $45K richer.

What's preventing you from stepping up to the challenge here?

The rest of us just look up and think "What a conspicuous fool."

It's going to be bad day for you when you come to realize it is you, the one slinging all the nastiness at your fellow brothers trying to help you wake up from your delusion, was the actual "conspicuous fool" in reality. I had my day of eating crow some 5 years ago. And that was after trying to prove the globe for over 2 years. There was a lot less evidence out there back then. Today, in 2023, the proof and evidence is beyond abundant. And yet you sit there in your chair with a highly misguided smug look on your face, having not bothered to research the topic, while there are literally dozens of great researchers out there today that have compiled a MOUNTAIN of evidence disproving the globe.

I've sat through no less than 50 debates between the globalists and FE community. They're so hard to watch. The globalists whine and cry, they sling hate, disdain and nastiness every chance they get. They're literally GLOWING in their cognitive dissonance today. All they've got is "gravity" (lie), "refraction" (misunderstanding) and 3. observations they're afraid to admit can be explained with some adjustments to their mathematical model.

Where's your scientific proof?

You can watch ships drop below the horizon

There's a limit to the angular resolution of the lens of your eye. Get yourself a Nikon P900 camera with telescopic lens and you can zoom right back in to those ships you can no longer see with your naked eye. And to wit, there's a limit to the angular resolution of the lens of the camera too.

you can’t see the North Star in the southern hemisphere

All observational claims are subject to the "law of perspective" which is simple and obvious to understand. You can't see everything, everywhere forever which is what this weak claim suggests. Instead, you can see what is near you but not what is far from you. Look it up if you don't understand.

water spirals counter clockwise in the north, clockwise in the south

No it doesn't. The "Coriolis effect" is a fallacy, a wives tale, 100% debunked. No such phenomenon occurs. The water spiral depends EXCLUSIVELY on the shape and design of the drain holding the water, and/or the momentum given to the water when the drain is opened up.

It flows straight down on the equator, great circle paths fall southerly in the southern hemisphere

This sentence doesn't even make sense.

Sorry, you lose, as all GLOBALISTS lose. Once again, zero science, all you've provided are nothing but fully debunked arguments.

Where's the SCIENCE? Zero scientific proofs of the globe? How can that be? Things that make you go hmmmmmmm?

And you would know from example, correct? There are plenty of proofs, such as the fact that modern commerce and communication involves daily interaction with the reality of the global Earth. There are thousands of them...but you don't want to accept any of them.

Science can't be denied. Show me how these are scientifically proven and you (we) win. You can't use man-made mathematical models with assumptions built-in as "science" though.

Simple proof: the Earth is a continuous positively-curved surface that closes on itself and has no edge. Established by humans being everywhere on the surface of the Earth. Plus we have photos (taken before there was any CGI).

You and I aren't allowed to travel anywhere beyond the 60th parallel other than a single government-approved, paid-for $20K+ chaperoned trip to the tip of an island off of Antarctica. Nor are you allowed to go to, nor anywhere near the north pole.

Ever wonder why no so-called alleged "satellites". that we argue do not exist as described, never orbit north south over the so-called alleged poles? Where's all the satellite imagery of these so-called poles? You won't find anything other than CGI out there my friend. What do you think NASA does with their $80 million daily budget? They've got better technology than Hollyweird.

Meanwhile, we continue to send satellites into orbit and also people to go AROUND the Earth. Want to take the ride? You are living evidence that ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand.

Why end with ad-hominen, personal attacks? Why do all you globe-believers do this? You all have this in common and I don't understand why? You should be kind. We're being kind with all of you who continue to NOT LOOK INTO THIS FOR YOURSELF but rather bank on lies you've been taught. This is half the reason I started to side with the flat-earthers - because the globe-defenders act like ABSOLUTE DOUCHEBAGS almost without fail.

If you started off from the position; "I don't know what the shape of the earth is", you would quickly come to the correct conclusion. Your problem, like so many others, is that you keep referring to lies and deceptions that we have proven to be 100% LIES!!!!!. The list of lies is so long it's impossible to encapsulate. Briefly:

1. Newtonian gravity does not exist. There's no such thing. The "gravitational force" is an electrostatic phenomenon of ionic-electro forces seeking balance. Nobody has ever pointed to a "thing" called "gravity" - not a "particle", a "field", a "force", it's all nonsensical theory. So what is the "thing" that pulls objects back down to earth? Einsteinian gravity is a massive lie. If space is a "void", as the establishment says, then how can a THING* called "gravity" operate in this empty space?

2. All establishment theory around magnetism is completely wrong. They of course understand the "effect", as with gravity, but are so backwards on what magentism actually is. And learning what it is first requires a "de-education" from the establishment lie which we have no space for here.

3. Dark matter and dark energy were both INVENTED to account for the broken mathematical gravitational models. To think that 95% of the "known universe" is made up of UNIDENTIFIABLE matter and energy is a dead giveaway that we're awash in lies. Defending this is just further mental abstraction gymanstics.

4. Need I say anything about the zillions of lies about the moon landing?

5. All of Einstein's special/general relativity THEORY has proven to be false due to fraudulent assumptions built-into it which are demonstrably provable.

6. Quantum theory (Bohr) is also a provable deception

7. There is no such thing as a "photon". It's a theoretical construct once again, like gravity. There are no "light particles" hitting your eyes right now as you read this text. It's just so completely OBVIOUS once you stop and think about it.

8. There's no such thing as atoms-protons-electrons-neutrons as per the "atomic model". None of these "things" exist in reality. Instead, they are a useful MODEL OR REALITY for performing elemental/molecular interactions. The truth of the matter is, this is all happening due to SOUND, tonal vibrations balancing one another. Again, this is something that takes time and considerable study to wrap your mind around however.

And I'm just barely scratching the surface here. We can play games all day long about "observational" data. The globers make the fatal mistake of never even considering the flat model as a possibility. The FE community has done many examples and models around how certain observations would work on the flat earth model but the globers just refuse to agree it would be possible as such. This is a sign we're dealing with people of infantile psychology. They could say, "well, while I don't agree with the flat model, I see how my observations COULD WORK if it were". They can't even do that, because they're like little children who can't accept they won't get any candy at the grocery store when it comes to this subject.

Your provided examples are just proving my point, that you aren't THINKING ABOUT what you are saying. How do we arrive at all our "commerce and communication" processes in the world? Are they not built on GPS and magnetic declination INVENTIONS by man. If you deny that men could create a mathematical model that would represent a "globe earth", you're still naive to just how far the cabal has gone to deceive us.

There are no "photos" taken "before CGI". Have you ever watched the moon landing video with things in motion? It looks like a bad 1960s B-flick. I mean it's just laughable. It's totally indefensible. And for the record, I use "CGI" simply to mean "manipulated", just as I use the term "photoshop" to mean photo-manipulated. The famous 1972 "blue marble" photo was OBVIOUSLY manipulated and we know exactly how they did it - it's like photoshop 101 in today's world, but I'm sure it was tricky back in 1972.

Our satellites are BALLOONS. Why is NASA the world's largest consumer of helium....by a landslide? What would they need all that helium for exactly? The pictures you saw of the "Chinese spy balloon" is PRECISELY what our "satellites" actually are!!! If the orbiting satellite story was true, there would be dozens, even hundreds that would be providing live feeds, 24x7x365, offering MASSIVE opportunities for advertising revenue ta boot.

Denying all this basic evidence indicates you are simply in a state of DENIAL. There's no other explanation. You don't want to find out you've been fooled. Why don't you just admit that? This is where you're at.

I've seen people in your present condition a thousand times on dozens of different topics. I'm as close to an "expert" on this subject of denial as anybody it seems. I've come to learn that in order to even engage a discussion with somebody, the first question always needs to be; "Can you accept the possibility that you might have been lied to on this topic". If the answer is "no", there's literally nothing you can say, do or show - no facts, no proofs, no truths - that can sway the person as they remain trapped in their mental abstractions.

So this is where we're at. You can't even allow for the possibility that you've been deceived about the shape of the earth. So you're just wasting your time with me.

Provide your SCIENTIFIC PROOF, of which there should be HUNDREDS if the globe is true, and I'll change my mind in a hot second. Unlike you, I'm perfectly willing to change my mind with just one itty-bitty scientific proof. If you can't even do this, I'll let you ruminate on why that is. Should you be honest, you'll recognize that you'll be faced with considerable cognitive dissonance, as we all had to go through when we decided to investigate this topic and see what the "other side" had to say.

You should let Neil DeGrass Tyson he's wrong then...

Yep

You can choose to stay in denial for as long as you like. There seems to be some psychological barrier preventing you all from grasping the fact that there are literally zero scientific proofs of the globe, of curvature, of the earth in motion. There should be THOUSANDS of them after 200 years of advanced scientism.

You can't find one. If you could, you would go get yourself the $90K, or at a minimum, give me your scientific proof snd let me take it to the FlatEarthDave for verification netting yourself a cool $45K and the death blow to the FE community.

But oddly, you continue to do neither.

No science = No globe. It's literally this simple.

Who refuted what argument?

The only refutation possible is a scientific proof at this very late stage of the game. The globe defenders don't have any as the FE community has exposed all their assumptions, presumptions and misconceptions in all their arguments.

There's literally nothing left to debate. The globers say "muh observations don't work on a flat earth", even though they all do work when you adjust the fake math accordingly. But it's the math models that they can't let go of, filled to the gills with abstractions and assumptions. And until the FE community hands them a fully conceived new model, they aren't going to budge an inch from their mental models and abstractions. They can't prove the sun is 93 million miles away and we can't prove what we call the sun (technically there's no "thing" there) is 3500 miles away. Stalemate.

LOL, hilarious. You get an F for effort!

1. The plane windows are curved. Hard to believe it's this easy to fool people. Go check out the globe king Neil The-Grass-Fed-Bison talk about Felix Baumgartner's famous Red Bull jump from like 128,000 feet (24 miles) which is basically 4x higher than commercial planes ever fly. Mr Bison had to do damage control on this one and let everyone know that everyting looks 100% FLAT even from that height, despite Baumgartner's fish-eye lens GoPro camera which made everything look curved, just like your airplane window. Turns out the balloon had a camera mounted to it as well that wasn't a GoPro fish-eye lens that captured all the action with a nice FLAT & LEVEL horizon with zero curvature to be found.

2. There's way too much distortion in the atmosphere for that. It's like looking through 1000 windows. You can see through 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13. 14.15.16.17 stacked windows but things get hazier and hazier the more you add. There are scratches, imperfections, clouding, etc. in the glass as well. Just like the atmosphere is full of gases, moisture, humidity, smoke, fog, rain, snow, etc. This is why you can't "see forever" and never will be able to no matter the technology.

100% agreed. The mod stance on this board is beyond questionable. I totally get it that we shouldn't be posting threads on "off topic" material all the time. Fair enough. But terminating accounts because they don't like somebody's opinion on a topic? That's sad.

I'll bet 20-30% of the people on this board don't like Trump. But they know better than to say so...

Appreciate you taking my comments into consideration. There's some kind of mind virus that causes people to disconnect and start slinging poo every time they're confronted with the flat earth argument. Deep-seated belief imprints methinks.

You can't deny science, and as luck would have it, there's zero science backing up the globe. What a coincidence!

All you guys seem to have is unkind ad-hominem attacks, observational arguments and mathematical models loaded with assumptions, thus demonstrating how truly weak your position is. This is what the globe-defending community has been reduced to.

Reality is precisely what I can see, feel, hear, taste and touch. And not a one of these senses tells me I'm on a 1000 MPH spinning ball, with Australians standing upside down below me, circling a ball of hot gas at 66,600 MPH in an ELLIPTICAL orbit, meaning the phake and ghey ball earth must be speeding up and slowing down, which nobody can ever detect.

"Reality" is not the same thing as "beliefs". You have masterfully confused the two.

The "earth realm" is certainly not flat. But we aren't allowed to explore the entire realm. We're confined to the "inner space", prevented from visiting "outer space" beyond the antarctic ice wall. It's the only international treaty all 193 countries agree on and support without any disputes.

The 6 continents and 4 oceans we are permitted to travel amongst are quite flat with zero scientific evidence demonstrating any curvature.

Q wins either way as they can always argue they were talking about the entire realm that us serfs aren't yet fully aware of.

Now ad-hominen attacks? What a sad state of affairs.

Where does all the water go at low tide... dummy? Shouldn't there be a mountain of water out in the ocean that has incorporated all that excess water?

This is what the great globe god Neil DeGrass Tyson tell his blindly trusting followers. Or weren't you aware of this defining feature of your globe as presented by your globe gods?

You blindly call me a dummy when you don't even know the idiotic lies your side tells. Bravo good sir, bravo.

Here's your globe god spreading his great wisdom -> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dreHvsvXR9c

I'll just head back to dummyville now....

What's interesting is that I'm pretty well plugged into the community and I've never even heard of this guy. Something is very fishy with this story for sure. That's how it got the publicity it did.

Why don't those SpaceX employees claim the $90K? Or a degreed astrophysicist? Or Neil Degrasse Tyson? Or Bill Nye the science guy?

Think of all the worthy charities they could donate to while simultaneously putting an end to that crazy CIA-OP Flat earth movement all in one fell swoop!

It seems stories, photoshopped composite images, observations and man-made mathematical models just aren't enough, eh? Who woulda thunk it?

From all appearances it's obvious to conclude that the globe "science" is as solid as the virus science, mask science, social distancing science and vaccine science.

The cult of scientism does not have your best interests in mind...

Lots of nonsense

That you believe in, I agree. This is the hardest lie to shake it seems.

Flat Earth produces longer paths east-west in the southern hemisphere than are actually experienced.

??? There are dozens of historical accounts of how sailors always got lost and were way off their reckoning in the southern hemisphere BECAUSE they were trying to navigate with GLOBE earth maps. It seems you have this backwards, no?

We also see the southern hemisphere of stars.

Of course we do. We can only see so far. There is a limit to our vision. Just look down a straight row of telephone poles or train tracks or a long highway and you will see only so far due to the angular resolution of the lens of your eye.

The globe community is literally down to just 2 arguments and you've leveraged one of them, which is the "observational proof". The globers don't seem to understand that these observations can (and DO) also work on a plane earth. Their other argument is their "mathematical models", all which contain assumptions they're unwilling to admit to of course.

Long ago, geometers found that it was impossible to create a flat map without distortion.

What kind of nonsense is this? A map is a map. It should represent reality and nothing else. Further, a map is nothing but a "representation" of reality, never reality itself. So whatever point you're trying to make here doesn't further your argument.

Plenty of people have been in orbit, able to look out the windows, including civilians not attached to governments

Name one please. And where are there pictures and videos?

Not to mention satellites that were observed in orbit around the world, according to their predicted motion around a globe.

Once again, provide just one example. We should have, at a minimum, hundreds, even thousands of minimum 90-minute videos (one alleged trip around the globe), but preferably 24x7 videos to prove such a claim. Why do none exist?

And pictures taken from far enough away to see the Earth in its entirety

NASA has admitted that all their "pictures" are anything but...rather they are "composite IMAGES" that they have to "stitch together" in photoshop. The only they claim not like this is the famous 1972 "Blue Marble" image, but it was demonstrated that this was an entirely photoshopped image too.

But this skips over the fact that circumnavigation (by sea and air) proved the validity of Great Circle routes, which are impossible if the Earth were flat.

Nothing "impossible" about this at all. I just explained it to you. Compasses point to magnetic north. The "circle route" is precisely what you would expect with a magnetic source in the center of a plane that they tracked. Why is this so hard to understand?

And that it is possible to stand on the South Pole (as well as on the North Pole, provided there are ice floes)

Have you ever been to either of these "poles"? Would you be surprised to learn you couldn't go to either, even if you wanted to and had the money to finance the trip yourself? You just have to trust your government that what they claim is true...a sad reality.

You have the discreditable habit of denying the evidence against you by claiming "it is all fake," but you have no evidence that there is any fakery---and you cannot erase the attributes of a global Earth (e.g., the horizon, beyond which things will move out of sight).

Are you Saul Alinsky? This is what you GLOBERS are doing. You're playing the game like a leftist commie with me. I don't deny any PROOF ever. We have looked at this so-called "proof" and found it is anything but. Again, why is this so hard for people to understand, especially here on GA where government agency lies are exposed on a daily basis? You're doing what you accuse me of doing. How do you not understand this?

There is no Flat Earth map. Why is that? There is no Flat Earth book of astrodynamics. Why is that? (Probably because it couldn't withstand the heat of criticism.)

Of course there are flat earth maps. Many. But guess what, your benevolent rulers would rather you not know about them. I wonder why? Maybe your benevolent leaders stretched the flat earth maps onto a fake globe to deceive you. Never considered that as a possibility?

We have no ability to sense velocity. You can fly in an airplane in perfect peace, yet have no idea how fast you are flying.

More glober nonsense. Sit out on the wing of a plane and let me know if you can sense velocity or not. The earth is not a "closed system" like the interior of an airplane. This is yet another specious, meritless argument.

And the centrifugal acceleration is so tiny, we cannot notice it (I've done the math).

Amazing that nobody can come up with a scientific way to test any earth acceleration, eh? 1000 MPH spinning globe chasing a giant ball of hot gas at 66,600 MPH, circling the center of the milky way galaxy at 500,000 MPH, jettisoning away from the original Big Bang at 2,000,000 MPH and nobody can figure out a way to measure any of it. This is the height of absurdity and you know it deep down.

Either all that insane motion or none. It's one or the other. Common sense tells you which is true.

The Earth is so vast, compared to our local experience, that we cannot tell the curvature from flatness.

Yet more nonsense. You can take any earth curvature calculator or use the perfectly usable 8-inches per mile squared up to 500 miles. Either way, the technology exists today with telescopic lenses to take video and pictures of objects that should be hidden by this so-called curvature. And lo and behold, what do we find? Thousands of videos and pictures now showing not a lick of curvature and the ability to zoom into objects 10+ miles away that should be hidden if there was any.

But this is the very thing that prevents us from making distortion-free maps. Longitude lines tend to converge toward the poles. Latitude lines tend to shorten, closer to the poles.

You're arguing from the false globe model every time you try to make a point with these mapping arguments. You can't start your argument with the ASSUMPTION you're trying to prove already in it.

There is no "ice wall"...or why aren't there photos?

For starters, there are hundreds of videos and photos out there. Why would you assume there aren't any? Further, did you know you and I aren't allowed to travel beyond the 60th parallel independently? The one and only "international treaty" agreed to by all nations on earth is exactly this. Give it a try sometime, you'll be swiftly rounded up by the nearest national coast guard or military and likely will be brought to justice for trying such a stunt! That you can pay $20K+ to take a government-sponsored trip to a little tiny section of the Antarctic wall (an island actually) further proves the point. Every government in the world is in league with each other to PREVENT you from doing your own research on Antarctica. I wonder why that would be seeing as how they have nothing to hide of course!

And photos over the edge?

Who said there was an "edge"? Have you been suckered into Google and YouTube's flat earth "recommendations" or the spook-sponsored "Flat Earth Society" top hit you get on their approved search engine algorithms?

Most of us believe there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of other continents beyond the Antarctic ice wall. Of course we can't prove it because we aren't allowed to even try. But there are many old maps out there that show these continents do indeed exist. Dare I say they exist in "outer space" while we occupy the "inner space"? Could this be were "Extra-Terra" exists, where "extraterrestrials" live?

The point is, you have absolutely no evidence of key features of a Flat Earth.

Thousands of pictures and videos of objects that shouldn't be visible due to earth curvature doesn't qualify as "evidence"?

The coup de grace for me is that Google, YouTube and the MSM work so hard to hide legitimate flat earth research from the masses. This is evidence that speaks volumes to me. It makes no sense that they would do this. Absolutely none.

I could make a list a mile long of evidence for flat earth but the most important thing to note is that we are being prevented from achieving grandiose proofs like traveling beyond Antarctica, visiting the north pole, demonstrating there's a firmament above us (we estimate roughly 100 miles is all the higher we can go) and the like.

Why the censorship? Why curtail free travel? Why an endless stream of lies, many of which have long since been shown?

GPS is based on the Earth as a sphere and has no relationship to magnetic poles. Nor does a gyrocompass.

Wrong again. GPS is based on MAN-MADE math. Better said, man-made LIES.

How do you suppose sea captains navigated with the sextant for so many centuries? Wouldn't they need a plane to base their triangulation on? Look it up since you're so fond of these ideas. You can't triangulate with a curved globe as the base of your triangle. It's all so simple...

I'm not interested in disproving the existence of paranoid conspiracies.

Me neither. I'm only interested in one thing --> TRUTH. You'd think more people on this board would be too, but apparently you're all just not yet ready to consider how badly you've been fooled. There isn't a lick of "paranoia" in flat earth.

It is your obligation to prove them, with substantial evidence.

And now you finish with the "Proof of claim reversal fallacy" so prevalent today. The CLAIM of the globe has been made by our establishment institutions. As such, he who makes the claim bears the burden of proof so it falls on them (you by proxy). There's literally a $90,000 dollar reward for a SINGLE PROOF of the globe that's been on offer for nearly 3 years now, but strangely has yet to be claimed. I've grown weary of the cop out argument that "they'll never pay it" or that "they'll never accept our proof" whining I've seen, especially here on GA. I happen to know the guy making the offer and I'm happy to take your "irrefutable proof" of the globe directly to the guy making the offer if you don't want to, and I'll split the proceeds with you. Because frankly, I could use an extra $45K. And think how satisfied you'll be with an extra $45K as well as single-handedly ending the crazy flat earth movement all in one fell swoop!!

How could you not take me up on this offer? You've got nothing to lose and everything to gain.

I've made this offer to at least 10 people here on GA alone and as of yet, nobody has stepped up to provide their irrefutable proof of the globe. I wonder why that is exactly? You all have 200+ years of science, academia, government and every other powerful institution on your side. And we're just a bunch of independent truthers. It's not even a fair fight no matter how you slice it.

So how about it? One SCIENTIFIC PROOF is all we need. And for the record, I'll change back to being a globe-earther in a heartbeat if you've got it. I've got no skin in the game. I'm only interested in the truth, nothing more. And that's why I'm now on the side of the flat-earthers, because they keep showing all the globe lies, week after week, year after year.

It was evidently easy to fool you.

We were all fooled. Some of us have realized it, but the majority has not yet. The hardest lies to disprove are the early-life belief imprints, and our Jesuit handlers got that globe into our baby mobiles and posters (I had both) as well as our children's programming and of course the globe is front and center in every kindergartner and first-grader classroom all across the western world. Imagine that, right out of the gate we get taught our ABCs, numerals and globes.

We would need just a single live feed with no cuts, breaks, dark-outs, etc. running 24x7x365 to end the debate.

Have you ever watched one of the so-called ISS feeds and noticed your state is covered in clouds but the sky is perfectly clear where you are, or vice versa?

Awfully strange that nobody has thought to run one, eh? They could make billions of dollars a year -- easy - in advertising revenue. Amazing that no enterprising businessman has ever thought to try this, eh?

Can you provide an example or is this your way of avoiding looking into it for yourself?

Well I tend to agree with your sentiment. And to wit, most legit "flat earthers" don't think the realm we live in is "flat". We just know that there's no evidence of the curvature lie anywhere we look.

But I don't understand your example? Looking out over the sea shows nothing but "flatness". You are literally at "sea LEVEL", because everything is indeed LEVEL, as water always finds its LEVEL.

So I'm not sure what you're driving at with this example?

What SHOULD BE available if we lived on a globe are pictures and videos of ginormous water BULGES due to the so-called moon's "gravity" (also fake and no proof). Based on all the establishment measurements they give us, we should have water bulges as high as 13 miles in certain parts of the ocean due to the moon's alleged gravitation pull at its peak. But we've never seen a picture or video of any water bulge of even 100 feet, let alone miles.

Everywhere you look, water always finds its level - even amidst the fictional tale of the alleged massive moon gravitation pull. Quite a head-scratcher, eh?

Nothing Magellan or any other sea-faring captain did ever proved a "globe". You do understand that a compass points to magnetic north don't you? That makes heading east and west a CIRCLE on a plane - not straight lines. And it all makes perfect sense.

"Proving by touch" is precisely what we argue. All your God-given senses and real life experience tells you that you live on a flat, motionless plane. Neither you, nor anybody else has ever made arrangements to handle traveling on a curved globe ball.

Have you ever been "in orbit"? We contend that nobody has ever been "in orbit" so this is another non-proof. Only government agencies have ever claimed to have been "in orbit", and we all know just how trustworthy they are here on this board, don't we?

I don't have the problem, you do. I see the sky is blue, the grass is green as well as seeing no evidence of curvature anywhere I look, nor do I sense the earth is in motion at any time. You've got to BELIEVE in the globe lie to even pretend that this isn't your experience.

The GPS system is a mathematical model that has leveraged the deception of "magnetic declination" which was used by earlier sea-farers. I can't stress this enough - they're both based on a MAN-MADE MATHEMATICAL MODEL. Man made up this idea to stretch the actual earth onto a globe.

Math isn't "reality". Take away the made-up magnetic declination from all these GPS and navigation systems and the globe vanishes...just like that.

Research is invaluable. To call it worthless suggests you're afraid to do it. Maybe you could explain to me why YouTube and Google have shadow-banned and de-prioritized every single legitimate flat earth researcher and instead promote nothing but fake and false videos and groups (like "The Flat Earth Society") as the first thing people will see when they decide to dip their toes in?

What's the point of hiding and suppressing the legitimate researchers if it's all just a giant CIA operation? Google and YouTube (owned by the CIA) should be promoting these guys to the top of the list so we can all see how idiotic it all is, right?

You won't be able to offer a rational explanation for this because there isn't one. And this fact alone should tell you that legit flat earth researchers are being HEAVILY CENSORED by the controlling establishment.

Remember, it's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled.

I'm the first to admit I was fooled all my life until 2017, and even then I rejected flat earth. I spent nearly 2 years trying to shut up a buddy of mine that wouldn't stop talking about it. But in the end, I had to eat humble pie because I couldn't find a single piece of scientific evidence to support the globe. Instead, I found dozens if not hundreds of pieces of evidence that support the opposite.

Your first step out of the globe lie is to admit there's a chance you've been fooled. If you can't at least do that, you're just going to go on supporting the controlling cabals lies.