Flat Earther spends $20,000 on DIY experiment that accidentally proved the planet is ROUND
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Suddenly Netflix is a source for valid information. This is like the Trump supporters who know CNN is lying about everything, but then trust them 100% on everything they report about Q.
The main proponent of the current Flat Earther movement is Eric Dubay, who has numerous ties to the C_A (I'm not at my computer at the moment or I'd give a link or two).
The "truther" people get their beliefs from the C_A. EVERYONE gets their beliefs from the same source. Thus, The Matrix.
This allows those who see the larger scope of the truth to be controlled; made to look foolish, thus the rest of what they have to say is also "foolish nonsense".
This doesn't address whether or not the Earth is flat, it only addresses the specific present day arguments put forth about Flat Earth. Those specific arguments come from the C_A via Eric Dubay.
Don't even need a telescope. You can see the shadow of the Earth on the moon with the naked eye and it's clearly round.
That argument is always met with “round like a pancake” from FEs.
But I agree with the premises. Flat Earth is a “meta” conspiracy theory, created by CIA for other “conspiracy theories “ to look dumb.
Ah you believe 9/11 was a false flag, guess you believe the Earth is flat as well.
Yeah.
Hollow Earth is a million times more plausible theory than Flat Earth.
Yeah, I've thought that too. The idea of Flat Earth being real is depressingly boring and stupid, and goes against all common sense. Hollow Earth, however, is fascinating, be it true or not.
I agree. It would make more sense for Hollow Earth to be real
If the Cabal were to have underground bases
Pellucidar?
From what I've seen through telescopes the planets appear round. I can't tell from the telescope image whether they are a disc or a sphere. If I didn't know anything and science said they were discs, that's what I would see.
Why are all these supposed discs oriented so that they are facing us? If they are discs shouldn't they be oriented randomly? If the disc is not facing toward us it would appear as an oval shape, so either all the discs are inexplicably facing toward us for an unknown reason or they are not discs.
I didn't say they were discs. I'm saying that they don't look like spheres to me, as the comment I replied to insinuated they do. They are probably spheres, that's the most reasonable explanation. Perhaps they are all discs facing toward us for an unknown reason. Probably not.
If you look at the moon through a telescope you can see differences in light and shadows between the center and edges, similar to our perceptions of closer, more familiar spheres.
Well poisoning. Saw it play out while q was posting on 8chan. We have the same thing going on on this board with the "viruses aren't real" posters.
I'm not stating that Eric has all his facts straight... but please post links that show his numerous ties to the C_A. Searching I found some blog posts from people who claim he is C_A and use lots of words but don't actually provide any evidence whatsoever. Saying something doesn't make it is so. I found a video of a guy saying Dubay is C_A and then rather poorly attempts to debunk Dubay's claims. This does not make Dubay C_A.
I found videos that possibly expose him as an abusive, lying, cheating boyfriend. One showing a possible piece of evidence that he may have lived in D.C. for a time. None of these lead to 'ties to the C_A' so far.
It's also stupidity to believe that they are wrong about literally everything just because they're a leftist/leftists.
Leftists can be right, right leaning people can be wrong. Reality doesn't give a shit about how we feel or our politics.
The important thing is clamping down when something is demonstrably wrong...like flat earthers.
Hard disagree. It is important to clamp down on evil (like pedophilia), NOT on stupidity. Clamping down on stupidity will invariably be used by evil to clamp down on good people.
Stupidity allows evil to thrive...and also you can clamp down on more than one thing at once. Weird that you seem to be in the camp that society can only do one thing at a time.
Flat Earth bullshit has derailed so many conversations on this forum in the past it's actually not even funny.
You slide the bs in real fast on a few key topics.
Firstly, his experiment was retarded.
Secondly, the positioning of his failure to go "viral" in record time in conjunction with Netflix is extremely suspicious.
There are some real suck my balls kind of logic with heliocentric earth that no one can reconcile and same with flat earth.
So, the hell with both lets talk about D-wave if you really want to blow your load on reality checking rhetoric.
Cool story my dude.
I'm sure it was, since his experiment was to prove flat earth as real.
Irrelevant when it comes to clamping down on actual stupidity. Also, obligatory "lol Netflix" too, as if most of us haven't already unsubbed from it and will remain that way.
Feel free to explain the logic that you believe is shit, and feel free to counter it. Because this is an insertion of an entirely unrelated topic ("heliocentric earth") to a topic that already doesn't need to be here ("flat Earth") which is further proving my point, thanks.
Whatevr, bro lol
Not really, it's almost laughed out of the room anytime someone is dumb enough to mention it. Source: been here since day 1 and make fun of flat earth every chance I can... Which hasn't been much
The fact that you're "laughing it out of the room" instead of discussing the topics at hand is proving my point, and I guess you don't even see it.
I discuss topics worth discussing.
If I told you that I would like to hunt for a unicorn, would you waste your time entertaining this notion?
You're also assuming that I didn't look into it with an open mind previously. Which I did. And it's nonsense.
Stupidity and evil are the same thing.
Very wise
this^
now insert various other "alt-media" narratives, such as clones, lizard people, arcturuan galactic federation of nonsense etc.
Kookification.
I thought the same thing too at one point, but now I think otherwise.
Wolf, good way of saying it kindly.
Why is this stickied on a site that tells everyone to go to conspiracies.win? Oh I know why.
Because the Mods know the Earth is a fracking spherical object that’s why. Oh whoa!! Dude my nametag is flashing Mod! Kek Kek.
Hypocritical af if you ask me. This is still a flat earther post, just the opposite side of the argument. If flat earther comments warrant bans for mods like you and catsfive, then this should receive the same energy. "This is a Q board"... What a load of shit.
Exactly right.
100%. One is not allowed to discuss or defend fe or be banned, but they can jerk each other off insulting if np.
How do the mods "know" Brent? There's a 3 bitcoin reward for one single proof of the globe waiting to be claimed. Just one proof. There should literally be dozens, if not hundreds, if not thousands of proofs.
I myself looked for that one proof for over 3 years to shut down a buddy of mine that kept nagging me about FE. Much to my surprise, I was never able to find one.
If you've got the proof but are unwilling to try and collect the 3 bitcoin (~$90K), share it with me and I'll submit it and split the prize with you.
Whadaya say?
Well how’s about the 100,000,000,000,000,000 Gigabytes of pictures, data, and scientific research papers from every university and scientific research station, including NASA, worth it’s salt proving the earth is a sphere, vs. a factual CIA paid for psyop to start the Flat Earth theory to bring people back to pre-Christopher Columbus assumptions, and O, zero, no, none, negative, no dice Clay pictures of a Flat Earth EVER! EeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeVER, beyond some rinky dink cartoon. I’ll wait for that 100% above Earth orbit live photography of a flat frisbee disk. Until then…. ya know where ta go. Around and around on an orbiting the Sun, 3rd main sphere from it and orbiting along in the not flat Milky Way.
And I’m not going to fall for the Bitcoin trick. Why? Because no matter the gazillions of proof shown the Earth is a sphere, the flat-earthers will ALWAYS always say, “Prove it! Prove it’s a sphere! Even with all that globally known and tested information and gazillions of pictures. But prove its not flat!” Yeah… I go to STFU at that point.
It's all a deception Brent.
Wouldn't you think we'd have a couple hundred space cameras on satellites at this stage of our technological evolution? Live feeds offering 24x7x365 views of the earth with over 30,000 satellites, both public and private now allegedly orbiting? Imagine the advertising opportunities alone! NASA could rake in kajillions and stop wasting taxpayer money on their endeavors alone.
Why don't the folks on the ISS take their own video cameras up and shoot a nice 90-minute video of their supposed one revolution around the earth? Heck, why doesn't the ISS have a permanent video running 24x7?
Something as simple as this would put the whole situation to rest, wouldn't it?
The realm we live in is far more complex than you imagine with your "no pictures of flat earth" complaint. For starters, it appears we cannot get any higher than perhaps 100 miles above the surface. Nobody knows this for sure but it seems there's a limit as to how high we can go - as if there's a barrier of some sort above us - dare I say a "firmament"?
As to your "proof" complaint, the challenge is to produce some SCIENTIFIC evidence, not pictures and videos that anybody could claim are fake. Surely there's some irrefutable scientific experiments that can prove the ball, curvature, rotation, earth moving, etc. Right?
Even the sham artist Einstein was forced to admit in his time that there was no way to scientifically prove the earth was moving or rotating. Nothing has changed since either. As it turns out, all the scientific experiments demonstrate that the earth is still and motionless. An inconvenient truth that the establishment works hard at keeping hidden I might add.
Now, as to Q and his response to the very basic question. I'm of the belief that the "earth realm" is indeed not "flat" and likely a sphere or oblate sperhiod. This realm includes both that which is above and below what we know of as "earth". I also believe this "earth realm" is indeed encased in a sort of bubble-like (firmament) wrapper of sorts. Of course I can't prove any of this. It's speculation. But my point is, Q could very well argue that the "earth realm" is anything but "flat" and I would agree. However, the 6 continents and 4 oceans we're all familiar with are definitely "flat" and there are zero scientific experiments that demonstrate otherwise. What passes for "science" in academia today are mathematical models and abstractions based on many ASSUMPTIONS that are baked into their models. Real science doesn't stand on assumptions and this is how we know we're being lied to about this earth realm. Because no assumptions would be required and the proofs would be plentiful.
So yeah, none of your kajillion bytes of photographic data pass as proof. But since the globe earth is "settled science", there should be hundreds or thousands of other data points that irrefutably prove the establishment claim. Not just pictures and videos produced by government agencies that we can all agree don't have our best interests in mind.
And there is the “prove it”.
There are cameras all over in space! And on the ISS, and on every country’s space missions outside the US. Space X says it’s a sphere. But yep with the kajillions of tons of proof. Your shotgun response is: “Prove it”.
All the gender scientists in the world cant prove to a DemoLib a woman is a woman. So same is true for sphere scientists to Flat Earthers. Probably Jesus too. I’m sure if Jesus proved it, flat-Earthers would still question his proof. And so I guess that’s just the way it’s going to be.
We would need just a single live feed with no cuts, breaks, dark-outs, etc. running 24x7x365 to end the debate.
Have you ever watched one of the so-called ISS feeds and noticed your state is covered in clouds but the sky is perfectly clear where you are, or vice versa?
Awfully strange that nobody has thought to run one, eh? They could make billions of dollars a year -- easy - in advertising revenue. Amazing that no enterprising businessman has ever thought to try this, eh?
I bet Elon has one. And he only shows it to SpaceX employees where they all laugh at the F.E.’s unknown expense.
LOL not trust CIA psyops trust NASA and university science. Classic.
I guess they are waiting for Bitcoin to reach 100.000 per coin so they can book a cruise-flight on SpaceX to the moon and back.
Flat Earth is the ultimate in goal post moving: every time you show proof or refute their argument they move the goal posts again.
Can you provide an example or is this your way of avoiding looking into it for yourself?
https://greatawakening.win/p/16an0sjwjm/x/c/4TsacKpfTeb
"Around here" is locked in a RETARDATION BELIEF IMPRINT that you're afraid might be true and therefore you're unwilling to investigate for yourself. It's this simple. What's worse is, the RETARDATION (your words) is allowed to persist because the topic is banned here on GA, I guess unless you're a mod and the post is to mock. Rules for thee....not a very fair playing field, eh?
I've been looking for one globe proof for over 6 years now running. So far, bubkus, nada, zilch. I don't know about you, but I could sure use an extra $90K in funds.
Wouldn't you guess there should be hundreds of irrefutable SCIENTIFIC proofs of the globe? I know I once thought this was the case. And then I went looking for them.
It's easier to fool somebody than to convince them they've been fooled.
We've been lied to our whole lives. This is just one of the more UNBELIEVABLE lies.
Wake up and do your own research. Once you do, you can no longer believe in the globe lie. It's this simple.
Your research is worthless. Magellan went AROUND the Earth 500 years ago. This is proving it by touch. Countless others have circumnavigated the globe. And then by flight. And then by orbit.
It's like proving the sky is blue. If you don't want to look at it, that's your problem. The rest of us incorporate it into our lives (intercontinental travel, global communication, GPS) and get on with it.
Nothing Magellan or any other sea-faring captain did ever proved a "globe". You do understand that a compass points to magnetic north don't you? That makes heading east and west a CIRCLE on a plane - not straight lines. And it all makes perfect sense.
"Proving by touch" is precisely what we argue. All your God-given senses and real life experience tells you that you live on a flat, motionless plane. Neither you, nor anybody else has ever made arrangements to handle traveling on a curved globe ball.
Have you ever been "in orbit"? We contend that nobody has ever been "in orbit" so this is another non-proof. Only government agencies have ever claimed to have been "in orbit", and we all know just how trustworthy they are here on this board, don't we?
I don't have the problem, you do. I see the sky is blue, the grass is green as well as seeing no evidence of curvature anywhere I look, nor do I sense the earth is in motion at any time. You've got to BELIEVE in the globe lie to even pretend that this isn't your experience.
The GPS system is a mathematical model that has leveraged the deception of "magnetic declination" which was used by earlier sea-farers. I can't stress this enough - they're both based on a MAN-MADE MATHEMATICAL MODEL. Man made up this idea to stretch the actual earth onto a globe.
Math isn't "reality". Take away the made-up magnetic declination from all these GPS and navigation systems and the globe vanishes...just like that.
Research is invaluable. To call it worthless suggests you're afraid to do it. Maybe you could explain to me why YouTube and Google have shadow-banned and de-prioritized every single legitimate flat earth researcher and instead promote nothing but fake and false videos and groups (like "The Flat Earth Society") as the first thing people will see when they decide to dip their toes in?
What's the point of hiding and suppressing the legitimate researchers if it's all just a giant CIA operation? Google and YouTube (owned by the CIA) should be promoting these guys to the top of the list so we can all see how idiotic it all is, right?
You won't be able to offer a rational explanation for this because there isn't one. And this fact alone should tell you that legit flat earth researchers are being HEAVILY CENSORED by the controlling establishment.
Remember, it's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled.
I'm the first to admit I was fooled all my life until 2017, and even then I rejected flat earth. I spent nearly 2 years trying to shut up a buddy of mine that wouldn't stop talking about it. But in the end, I had to eat humble pie because I couldn't find a single piece of scientific evidence to support the globe. Instead, I found dozens if not hundreds of pieces of evidence that support the opposite.
Your first step out of the globe lie is to admit there's a chance you've been fooled. If you can't at least do that, you're just going to go on supporting the controlling cabals lies.
Lots of nonsense, but I will try. Flat Earth produces longer paths east-west in the southern hemisphere than are actually experienced. We also see the southern hemisphere of stars. Proving by touch involves that which is consistent with geometry. Long ago, geometers found that it was impossible to create a flat map without distortion.
Plenty of people have been in orbit, able to look out the windows, including civilians not attached to governments. And Russians. And Chinese. And French. And other nations. Not to mention satellites that were observed in orbit around the world, according to their predicted motion around a globe. And pictures taken from far enough away to see the Earth in its entirety. But this skips over the fact that circumnavigation (by sea and air) proved the validity of Great Circle routes, which are impossible if the Earth were flat. And that it is possible to stand on the South Pole (as well as on the North Pole, provided there are ice floes). You have the discreditable habit of denying the evidence against you by claiming "it is all fake," but you have no evidence that there is any fakery---and you cannot erase the attributes of a global Earth (e.g., the horizon, beyond which things will move out of sight). There is no Flat Earth map. Why is that? There is no Flat Earth book of astrodynamics. Why is that? (Probably because it couldn't withstand the heat of criticism.)
We have no ability to sense velocity. You can fly in an airplane in perfect peace, yet have no idea how fast you are flying. And the centrifugal acceleration is so tiny, we cannot notice it (I've done the math). The Earth is so vast, compared to our local experience, that we cannot tell the curvature from flatness. It only shows up special cases (e.g., the horizon). But this is the very thing that prevents us from making distortion-free maps. Longitude lines tend to converge toward the poles. Latitude lines tend to shorten, closer to the poles. The veracity of Great Circle paths has been proven over the ages by sea and air and space. There is no "ice wall"...or why aren't there photos? And photos over the edge? The point is, you have absolutely no evidence of key features of a Flat Earth.
GPS is based on the Earth as a sphere and has no relationship to magnetic poles. Nor does a gyrocompass.
I'm not interested in disproving the existence of paranoid conspiracies. It is your obligation to prove them, with substantial evidence. Being ignorant of geography and geophysics is not a good start. It was evidently easy to fool you. You didn't know what the Earth really was.
PepeSee knows. He's the biggest globalist out there.
Zero research
5X the know-it-allism disease!
PepeSee is a LIP. Low Info Player.
I can't argue against your point. But it is not in my nature to stand by and allow people to spout scientific nonsense without upbraiding them. It is my penance, perhaps?
And sometimes a sphere needs to be called a sphere, like a man is a man, and a woman is a woman. The gender of the Earth is no different. Kek Kek!
Flat-Earther Lament: "We have nothing to fear but sphere, itself."
Nice.
What do flat earthers define as "flat", anyway? Perhaps they need better marketing.
As any civilian boater or ship navigator knows, looking out towards the horizon of an open, calm sea does not lend itself to the FE's use of commonly understood adjectives. They need to do better from the get go.
Well I tend to agree with your sentiment. And to wit, most legit "flat earthers" don't think the realm we live in is "flat". We just know that there's no evidence of the curvature lie anywhere we look.
But I don't understand your example? Looking out over the sea shows nothing but "flatness". You are literally at "sea LEVEL", because everything is indeed LEVEL, as water always finds its LEVEL.
So I'm not sure what you're driving at with this example?
What SHOULD BE available if we lived on a globe are pictures and videos of ginormous water BULGES due to the so-called moon's "gravity" (also fake and no proof). Based on all the establishment measurements they give us, we should have water bulges as high as 13 miles in certain parts of the ocean due to the moon's alleged gravitation pull at its peak. But we've never seen a picture or video of any water bulge of even 100 feet, let alone miles.
Everywhere you look, water always finds its level - even amidst the fictional tale of the alleged massive moon gravitation pull. Quite a head-scratcher, eh?
We've been observing the water bulges forever. They're called tides. Dummy.
Now ad-hominen attacks? What a sad state of affairs.
Where does all the water go at low tide... dummy? Shouldn't there be a mountain of water out in the ocean that has incorporated all that excess water?
This is what the great globe god Neil DeGrass Tyson tell his blindly trusting followers. Or weren't you aware of this defining feature of your globe as presented by your globe gods?
You blindly call me a dummy when you don't even know the idiotic lies your side tells. Bravo good sir, bravo.
Here's your globe god spreading his great wisdom -> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dreHvsvXR9c
I'll just head back to dummyville now....
Fuck off fed.
Just to be clear, he refuted your argument.
The "dummy" was added merely as an exclamation, not as an ad-hominem argument against your comment. There's a difference.
I think Morpheus has a point .... somewhat.
In the Med there is hardly eb and flood as tides. Maybe a couple of inches. From west to east we are talking 3000 miles or so. The interesting part is: it differs from place to place. In some places it can reach a difference of 1 meter or 3 feet.
The same goes for other places around the world having 3 or 4 tides a day instead of 2.
So, what we learned at school, that the moon is responsible for the tides (think spring-tide = storm + tide) may be somewhat questionable. The model generally works so no one thinks about it.
For instance, does it matter if a coast line is under a certain angle with the moon making the tide there more or less?
Why does the North Sea have a tide but the East-Sea, or the Baltic sea does not? What's the difference? Does it make a difference if the water is salty or sweet? How much water column do you need to get tidal effects? How about the Caspian Sea?
I dunno the answer to these questions. I looked for them somewhat, and learned quite a lot. But the questions are still valid.
1- You can see the curve from an airplane. 2- If it was flat you could see Everest from anywhere with a good enough telescope. I'll take my payment in USD.
LOL, hilarious. You get an F for effort!
The plane windows are curved. Hard to believe it's this easy to fool people. Go check out the globe king Neil The-Grass-Fed-Bison talk about Felix Baumgartner's famous Red Bull jump from like 128,000 feet (24 miles) which is basically 4x higher than commercial planes ever fly. Mr Bison had to do damage control on this one and let everyone know that everyting looks 100% FLAT even from that height, despite Baumgartner's fish-eye lens GoPro camera which made everything look curved, just like your airplane window. Turns out the balloon had a camera mounted to it as well that wasn't a GoPro fish-eye lens that captured all the action with a nice FLAT & LEVEL horizon with zero curvature to be found.
There's way too much distortion in the atmosphere for that. It's like looking through 1000 windows. You can see through 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13. 14.15.16.17 stacked windows but things get hazier and hazier the more you add. There are scratches, imperfections, clouding, etc. in the glass as well. Just like the atmosphere is full of gases, moisture, humidity, smoke, fog, rain, snow, etc. This is why you can't "see forever" and never will be able to no matter the technology.
1- Funny how you can see it from a Cessna with the doors taken off then. You know, as in, no windows. That's a bullshit excuse anyways because it would distort at all times and look like playing a video game at 120FOV even on the ground.
2- No, the reason you can't see forever is because the Earth is curved.
That guy is an idiot. Why isn’t the horizon curved when you are on the ground, why is it magically only refracting in the air? Morons
You should let Neil DeGrass Tyson he's wrong then...
You would think a guy like that could afford a singular skydive if he really cared about the truth, and actually thinks airplane windows only distort your vision at altitude... It's almost like they don't care about the truth and just want to create a conspiracy theory so nutty that it makes anyone who believes any conspiracy theory look bad...
This behavior makes this place no different than reddit. Unbelievable.
What's unbelievable is that there are so many flat earthers in this generally intelligent and critically thinking community.
Unbelievable? No. incredible? Yes.
wait, what...?
You kinda goofed here, Brent. Exhibit A: all the ensuing discussion and argument about plana terra.
No goof. There was some good gained from this. 2-3 new threads after popped up and some good insights were shared. But for the Mod Team, the Shills and Doomers love to follow the swarm. Like Spring Cleaning. ;)
Then, I defer to the modification. Rock on, please!
Thank you brother. And God bless you and your family always.
Sometimes this site(the mods) are frustrating. The other day I asked for help finding "American made" Amazon style websites... my request was removed within 5 mins. Really disheartening... Always thought this was the best place to put "America First".... destroy the cabal. Now... not so sure... sad.
So we're trusting daily mail and Netflix as a source for deboonking now? Lolll what a fucking joke. The amount of cognitive dissonance here, just because you're chomping at the bits to slam dunk on something you find untrue.
I mean if you don’t believe Q just say that. Because it was a Q drop too, but you want to focus on Netflix and dailymail instead because then you can just blindly claim it’s false without lifting a finger. The irony in talking about cognitive dissonance, while refuting Q drops on a Q board.
I'm not claiming any belief in my comment. I am merely pointing out the issues of citing sources we'd normally hold suspect, just because they so happen to align with OP's preferred take on the matter.
Also you're creating a false dichotomy on an opinion you're assuming that I have. Even if I were to argue for the case of flat earth, that doesn't mean I can't believe Q. That is fucking absurd and lacks any sort of logical thinking.
Q also said misinformation is necessary. Q also had to be extremely smart and focused on what message they were transmitting. It would be tactically idiotic for Q to also promote flat earth even if they knew it to be true. That would only serve to drag down the movement and add another major point of detraction against them.
I mean it doesn’t just align with OP’s preferred take, that’s a very skewed and neglectful portrayal. Most importantly, it aligns with Q post as well, and again being that this a Q board - it should be discussed. What would necessitate misinformation of the shape of the Earth? Cant you make the same claim that you made of OP, that you are designating this particular Q post misinformation because it doesn’t align with your take? It’s not a false dichotomy, you either follow and believe Q posts or you partially do by picking and choosing the ones (Q posts) you want to follow or substantiates your prior personal beliefs.
Okay maybe not OP specifically, as I haven't seen his posts on the matter, nor did he present an opinion along with the post. However, I agree with you on the "it should be discussed part", but what you're missing is the open hypocrisy of the mods. Idk if you've noticed, but mods such as catsfive are very aggressive with mocking and banning people talking about this subject. Then the reasoning provided is, "This is a Q focused board" and to take these sorts of subjects to conspiracies.win.
Yet, in this case we have someone posting about the same exact topic, to a mainstream news source with the only major difference being that the source is mocking the flat earther viewpoint. However, instead of removing the post or issuing a ban because "This is a Q focused board", the post is instead stickied by a mod. That's outright hypocrisy. I don't think any case should result in a removal or a ban, and I damn sure don't think either case for or against should be stickied. I agree with you, it should be open for discussion.
"What would necessitate misinformation of the shape of the Earth?"
I already explained this. Even if Q believed the Earth to be flat, they gain no benefit by talking about it. It doesn't help serve the main purpose of the movement, and it only adds even more negative weight. Its the same thing with JFK Jr. being alive. Even if that theory were true, Q would gain no benefit and only negatives in perpetuating it. Because optics are something Q repeatedly said to be important.
The photos 60 years ago were photos. Digital imagery didn't exist back then. You are kind of dating your own ignorance. How old are you, anyway?
No. That is the dumbass explanation.
The Apollo program photos were real. After the Apollo program, we weren't going high enough to get a whole-Earth photo (this was corrected with the recent Artemis flight, which took a picture of the Earth). Take a basketball, which has a 75 cm circumference (23.8 cm diameter). At that scale, a 250-km high orbit would be tantamount to a distance from the ball of about half a centimeter (or 0.18 inch). Put your eye at that distance and tell me how much of the ball you can see. Hardly any of it. That is the problem. So what NASA does is take pictures in a swath along the path of the satellite and then digitally "stitch" the images together on a spherical surface. (Be mindful of the fact that this technique would be impossible for a flat Earth.) Consider it a photo-mosaic. It is done all the time with high-altitude photography.
These are not images that are taken from the theoretical reference position in space, but they are not "fake" either. The land forms and the weather are quite real and accurate.
So, don't accuse others of being a "dumbass" when you own ass is on display.
The accounts are nonsense. No CGI during the Apollo days (hard to do something when the technology is not yet in existence). No "admittedly fake." What would you know about any of this, that you can look down on my 40 years in the industry that accomplished it? You certainly don't know "every fucking thing." You don't even know the facts of the Apollo program.
With unerring precision, I have found that the key signature of a failed argument is the recourse to scorn and insults.
I'm not interested in or impressed by "mysterious deaths," which you do not enumerate. What is a mystery to you may be "none of your business" to the family involved. Spare me the paranoid fantasies.
The land mass sizes are not changing. That would raise hell with air travel, and it obviously is not doing so. The land mass size where I live is not changing. None of my friends around the world are announcing any such problem. You are dreaming, pal.
So, the only people who know anything are already dead? Then how do you know they knew anything? (If they told you, you would be dead, too.) You don't even appreciate the absurdity.
The rest is just scurrilous insult and ranting. Really? Is that all you can say for yourself?
I know flat earth cultists claim to be open minded, but it seems at odds with how any time a subject matter expert in navigation, sailing, aviation, or other jobs tied to moving around the earth and sky...
All of a sudden we don't trust what people experienced because it doesn't line up with preconceived notions.
Oh boy. Spock here is a stubborn brainwashed dick
How is it you think an insult is an argument? I happen to know this subject quite well, as it is a prelude to orbital mechanics.
That would be comparing apples to oranges.
The scientific method as a concept is a correct approach. The problem currently is the stifling environment caused by money and interest. This is not the first time this happened. Lord Kelvin was quite forward in his opinion on flight. Yet, he was wrong. Who proved him wrong? The Wright brothers. You can't make this shit up.
At best, your premise has grown from emotion connected to these last 3 years. And rightly so. They are fucking around.
Just because the label science is abused, and scientific reasoning is abused, does not mean the method is wrong. Virology is not science, we know that. Climate science (ahem) yeah ... load of bullocks. ESDG's and critical race theory and the list goes on, all pure bullshit.
Yet, it does not negate the fact that 1+1 still equals 2. Meaning when you add 1 orange to 1 apple, it does not mean you get 2 apples or 2 oranges, except under the premise of trans-ideology. It would mean you have 2 fruits.
Has official science hidden the access to artifacts and what they consider "ooparts"? Yes, they have. Especially in Egypt. It is one political mess. Yet, when comparing artifacts of the past and we research them with current technology, we can only stand in amazement of the beauty and technical prowess of certain of the artisans living back then. It does not compute that we today living somehow represent the pinnacle of technological ability. When will official science turn that corner?
Yet, their unwillingness to confront facts that do not suit them, should not suggest they are right. Far from it. It often happens that those who espouse a different view are vehemently attacked and defunded. Canceled as it were.
Money promoting commie ideology. The irony. Yet, we see this in our lives everyday: the effects of the Bolshevik Billionaires (HT: Laura Ingraham).
To address the issue of thousands of years and navigation:
So, at the very least, since the Kon-Tiki expedition, we know for a fact circum-navigation was possible and probable.
This also addresses the issue of science. The Great pyramids, and these buildings are not unique, there are hundreds and thousands of them around the world (China is hiding them, because then they would have to admit, Han Chinese are not the smart guys and that does not sit well with the CCP) are a factual testament to science in terms of how they were built (we still don't know) the dimensions, representing all kinds of coincidences with the size of the moon, distance of the moon from earth, size of the earth, size of the sun etc, and the sheer precision with which it is built.
So, yes, I would say: Pepesee's claim is valid.
Good zinger
History generally is written by the victors and especially the propagandist. If you can't trust Julius Ceasar's account, who can you trust to tell the truth about things ....;-)
Well, the city fell. Several times at the hands of the Goths.
What happened afterwards was a quite staggering. The infrastructure till then stayed, but no longer an emperor was reigning over all, and a split was made between wordly power and spiritual power i.e. Pontifex Maximus position. The latter was claimed by the pope based on quite a dubious heritage.
This split left the Roman Church in tact and gave rise to the system we have seen, where monarchs were kissing pope ass: Federick, King John, King of France, the rise of the Holy Roman Empire, Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation and the antagonism against the Prusian State within the context of rivalry and title-inheritance.
Gibbon made a killing with writing about it.
You either believe Q drops or you don’t. If you don’t think that Q is trustworthy, well you know what I’m gonna say.
This is genetic fallacy.
The same people who hate on flat Earthers hate on "Qanon conspiracy theorists"
Why is it so hard for people to admit that there's more that they don't know about the world?
When it comes from people who really don't know much about the world, it is not credible. When it goes contrary to all known facts, it is simply ignorant.
I would love to debate you again but last time I did I was banned. Very pre-Musk Twitter
Of course, I would be the last one to deny them the opportunity to proof their premise correct. Working towards proving a premise is better than simply creating a solution to an health emergency that did not exist but yet being pushed by all the governments in the world because of contracts with the WHO.
Not really. Even Q states the earth is not flat. It’s more the conspiracists that laugh at ‘Qanon’ or discredit it, that believe flat earth conspiracies
https://qalerts.app/?n=2622
PROOF RIGHT HERE
Agreed. Fet is a cia psyop used to discredit other theories that touch too close to the truth.
Evidence?
Q also says disinformation is necessary. There's a post here today on Trump's comments about Musk and posts there are saying disinformation is necessary.
There is no qanon.
That is what the quotations are for...
Missed that one. Eyes wide shut. ;-)
Oh ya know I’m sticky-ing this shit! Like I keep saying it’s a phucking sphere people!!
i thought i was on the wrong board for a sec
Ohhhh no! You have come to the right told-ya-so board! Kek!
Be sure to tell them on the conspiracy sub, because we don't talk about flat earth stuff here.
Technically, this is anti flat earth stuff, but I get your point.
Technically, last fall I got a 23 day ban from GAW (my one & only) for engaging a thread re: FE... as a non FE'er
Same.
Correct. Only spherical stuff. Kek.
My argument against flat Earth is that the shortest distance between two objects is a straight line except on a sphere. I have been in airplanes and they have always traveled in an arc. So why would the airline companies be spending all that money on extra fuel to keep the spherical Earth idea alive?
On a sphere, a Great Circle arc is the counterpart of a straight line.
A straight line on a sphere is called great circle distance. It's impossible to represent a sphere on a 2D piece without physical distortion in some way, so on paper, planes trajectory appears curved, but that's just a distortiong of their actual path. Planes don't really constantly turn in real life, they follow a mostly straight line whenever possible.
The Earth is not round. It is actually a little pear shaped. And the gravitational anomalies are called J Terms. When you want to calculate a line of site communication method (radio (FM and up) or laser) you use a 4/3rds Earth formula. Important for drones and military communications. I am an Astronautical Engineer.
Within normal expectations, the Earth is round. It has a slight oblateness due to rotational effects. There is an even slighter "pear-shaped-ness" due to the facts of life, but we are well below the level at which anything would be noticeable on a basketball-sized globe. There are higher order terms varying in latitude and longitude, relevant for low-Earth orbit determination.
The 4/3-Earth propagation model is a handy approximation to the atmospheric refraction of radio waves, but it is valid only at low altitude and low elevation angles. The refraction effect dwindles with increasing altitude. I don't think that visible light and radio have identical refraction effects, though they could be close.
We're on the same page. I am also an aeronautical / astronautical engineer.
You are correct. Just wanted to make it more layman friendly. Good to find a fellow Astro person. Love your handle. It was one of my many program initiatives while at the Pentagon.
My last hurrah was YAL-1A. Successful target engagement on 11 Feb 2010. Not that I pushed any buttons, but I did edit the winning proposal and did preliminary designs in the 1970s.
Cool.! I was the driving force behind several directed energy initiatives. I was also the guy behind a lot of other what I call "cool toys".
My connection was mostly through the SDIO and Air Force programs. Did you perhaps ever encounter Colonel Roger Lenard? I also worked in the area of kinetic energy weapons. At Boeing, we developed the Lightweight Exo-Atmospheric Projectile (LEAP), which was the first 3-axis-stabilized solid-propellant KEW (successfully flight-tested in laboratory). We weren't able to market it and had to let it lapse. The Thiokol propulsion technology was picked up by Hughes, which was later absorbed into Raytheon. The Standard SM-3 warhead is a spitting image of our 2nd-generation design concept.
I always liked LEAP. Col. Lenard doesn't ring a bell, but me and names don't get along. I use that part of my brain for other things. I was a contractor advising the SDIO office for a while and did several budgets for them (for just one budget round), then I moved on. Wasted tremendous amounts of money.
Plenty of uncertainty about the direction of programs and how they would pan out. Particle beams were promising, until they realized that it would be impossible to aim them accurately through the Earth's magnetic field. Space-based lasers were interesting, until they realized it would mean storing huge quantities of liquid hydrogen and liquid fluorine in space for the lifetime of the system. Railguns were interesting, until they uncovered all the problems with rail erosion and the fact that the high-Mach projectile would start decelerating from the muzzle immediately at about 10 gs. But, as the Russians say, you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs!
"Pear shaped" is a misrepresentation of a slight bulge that paints an extreme.
Earth is an ellipsoid.
Slight bulge, you say?
Yes, like the one in Dylan Mulvaney's pants.
Or big mikes
That's not "slight", that might make it pear shaped at that size
this comment tree... lol
Oblate spheroid?
Gonna copy and paste this for both since you basically said the same thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_ellipsoid#:~:text=An%20Earth%20ellipsoid%20or%20Earth,have%20been%20used%20as%20approximations.
Wikipedia is surprisingly accurate on this, so I'll take it:
Everyone knows that Hot Dog Earth is the new thing anyway.
I prefer Hamburger Earth Theory. We exist on a disc of meat, smashed between two buns of Biblical scale with some delicious accoutrements.
Space is just a giant, patriotic American flag and the stars are bald eagles reflecting light across the beefmos.
Can I have butter with that?
oblate spheroid, innit?
Gonna copy and paste this for both since you basically said the same thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_ellipsoid#:~:text=An%20Earth%20ellipsoid%20or%20Earth,have%20been%20used%20as%20approximations.
Wikipedia is surprisingly accurate on this, so I'll take it:
So, yes. But also yes.
Do these pants make my ass look big? What Revo?! Like a Pear?! Why you insensitive Anon-could-be-correct feewing basher! Kek Kek.
See Pepe. See. Kek.
Really? Which pole is the fat end of the pear? I thought it was the equator that bulged.
kek
Yes the equator is bulged. The North is the slightly smaller end.
Based 9n the pear shape of the earth and the gravitational pull of the sun, the milky way and other larger bodies, how does the moon stay in a perfectly synchronize orbit?
Gonzalo whatshisface was talking about well-poisoning and used mood-landings as his example when flat-earth is THE well-poisoning leader-of-the-pack.
This is somewhere between hilarious and deserving disdain. The Flat-Earthers have no maps that can represent the world correctly, nor an astrodynamic theory that represents the solar and lunar motions correctly. They studiously ignore the continuous 500-year history of circumnavigation (because outright denial would put them in the problem of confronting it). They cannot explain the southern hemisphere of constellations. And they cannot find any phenomena that should be possible and evident only on a Flat Earth. They have all the bits and pieces of an ignorant and failed hypothesis...yet they claim superior insight into the world. The occupants of the International Space Station are waiting for the answer to their non-existence...
They also can't explain why God made would make the Earth flat yet everything else in space including the moon is obviously round.
They never said the earth isn't round... they said it's not a sphere. Not the same thing.
Here was my challenge to FE-adherents: https://searchvoat.co/v/GreatAwakening/3866685
I have repeated that challenge twice on this site with FE-adherent. So far, not one has taken the challenge.
I guess that 20.000 Federal Reserve Notes had been better spent on a voyage like the above then such a demonstration wrought with all kinds of variations.
Or that the circumnavigation of Antarctica takes maybe a quarter of the circumference at the equator. Good example, fren.
Good one to!
This has absolutely NO relevance on this board. For the mods to sticky this post is frustrating, because they do not let us discuss this. If you will promote something, then allow for debate. If we are not to discuss this, then by all means DO NOT STICKY IT. Mods. Thanks.
Incorrect. Q post #2622 is about flat earth. When Q was asked by an Anon if the earth is flat, Q responds: "No."
See https://qalerts.app/?n=2622
Replying no doesn't equal spinning globe.
The thing is: it was a yes or no question, or closed question. No was the only suitable answer. That leaves several other options open.
The question is: Did Q answer no on his demand or on his question? I mean you can demand me to do something but doesn't mean I'll say "Yes" on it.
Saying "No" on shutting them up is a very highly likely possiblity here.
Q also says disinformation is necessary
Is it not true that whether one is in favor or opposed to the notion of a flat earth, its discussion is unwelcome in this particular setting? Such discourse is not conducive to the topic at hand, and has historically served as a diversionary tactic. In fact, the flat earth theory itself can be seen as a contrived conspiracy intended to undermine the credibility of other conspiracy theories.
Because they do not respect debate.
Personally I'd prefer they simply learn the truth and live to tell the tale
Just to shut the Flat Earthers up Q, Is the Earth flat?
No. Q
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/135/539/751/original/dc4a65db36e7e333.png
Q also says disinformation is necessary. Post on site today about Trump on Musk people saying disinformation is necessary.
Why can we see further than we should be able to? We can see further into the distance than the physical horizon of a spherical earth would allow. There's numerous examples of this around the internet. The best (underwhelming) explanation for this that I've heard for this is that it's a mirage. Can anyone explain this? Genuine question, I'm not here to debate. Just searching for answers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kavhDHv0JW4
Fake and gay documentary, netflix is the enemy.
The earth isnt flat. Why is it so important for some of you to propagate this? What exactly are you trying to prove? What difference does it make for humanity if you are right?
Its being used against the movement to show that we are all crazy. Use some discernment.
Which movement and how is it being used against it?
They are hiding God and His perfect creation. Because they are demonic.
Most creation scientists are not flat earthers (because they’re actually intelligent). Globe models of the earth predate evolution and Big Bang models by centuries if not millennia.
Stop pretending that flat earth has a monopoly on creation science or religious thought.
I guess we live on God's favorite planet, in God's favorite solar system, in God's favorite galaxy. How lucky are we?
If an eternal, omnipotent God created the universe (which I believe is the case as a universe can’t cause itself into existence), then it would be trivially easy for such a being to simultaneously create a vast universe and a planet capable of sustaining life, no? It has nothing to do with luck and everything to do with God’s creative benevolence.
Uh huh.
Netflix, whether by accident or not, has put other based information out there. Graham Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse series is one. That really pissed off academia.
The series about Epstein was deep state damage control, but much of the information was still very useful.
No idea why the down votes... This post is accurate
The cia shills are out in force any time fet is challenged here. Annoying but it's all too common on every fet thread started on gaw
Some people need things to remain simple. The complication of garnering good info from Netflix is too much for them.
I was so excited until I saw Netflix.
Now you dun it.
He dun goofed?
Some basic questions to challenge globe earth model:
The earth movement can be easily felt during an earthquake. Why not otherwise?
With so much advancement in technology, why is Flat Earth even a theory? Why don't we see millions of photos/videos/live feed of Earth's curvature from space stations/satellites/airplanes?
Because every photo is dismissed as cgi.
Lots of stuff fron NASA is cgi
Earthquakes can be felt because that’s the only time the earth actually moves relative to you. Flat earthers complain all the time about how fast the earth spins and how fast it travels around the sun, claiming that we should be able to feel it. They fail to grasp the concept of relative motion, usually because they dismiss the concept of relativity outright.
As for why flat earth is still a theory, that’s because a lot of people think emotionally rather than logically. Outraged that the govt has lied about some things, they swing to the opposite extreme to distrust everything ever said by the govt. Then, when people point out that they are wrong, they develop a persecution complex, combined with a superiority complex that they know secret knowledge that everyone else is too stupid or brainwashed to comprehend. That’s why flat earth is still popular.
I love the smug know-it -all attitude. Dude, sit on it. You don’t know Jack. Maybe do a dive on the subject then type your gay wisdom. Unlearn the relearn.
I’ve debated flat earthers for years. I’ve watched every video and read every article that they’ve thrown at me, and it’s all chock full of ignorance and illiteracy. Their models do not match reality at all, and they can’t even agree on what their model actually is.
False. They agree on the model. The fact that you don't know that is proof you are lying. Further proof is, if you did in fact read every article and watch every video (bit of a stretch right there) then you would 100% not hold the stance you have. Keep digging there "SciFi" (lol) - you just might make it to China.
No, they don’t agree, because every single time I or someone else points out something wrong with something that a flat earther has said, another flerfer comes along saying “that’s not what flat earthers believe!” And proposes a variation of the flat earth model.
“If you [insert requirement here] you would agree with me” is a tacit admission that you don’t have an argument and a gratuitous display of narcissism. In other words, typical flerfer bloviating.
Science is based on provable facts, and if the theory you had proves wrong it is admirable in this day and age that the person revises his theory based on provable facts performed. That is a true scientist. But people now are using science as a cult or religion.. which is not science at all.
Came to see how many downvotes you got. Wasn't disappointed. Eat a bag of dicks flerfs. 🤣
$20K on an experiment means nothing to me.
Hahahahahahahhahahahabahahahahaha
How is this related to GAW? Flat-earth talk is out of bounds but round-earth talk is okay? Really?
Rumble. "Retired F-16 Pilot confirms flat earth" Fascinating explanation, using the APG-68 radar system.
Q posts also don't contain anything about globe or sphere earth. Apparently “Q doesn't say anything about it” is a selective disqualifier.
I’m not a flat earther, but still against my better judgement I watched this documentary.
It was obvious it was made to ridicule the people in it. We all know to well what happens when someone show interest in our beliefs, we can’t keep the lid on and share way to much information, more than anyone can handle in such a short time, and we end up sounding like mad men.
I did some research and found a forum where people ”in the know” discussed the documentary, according to them the only way this would be financed was if it ended with a failed experiment.
well that doc glows, clowns want to inject flat earth into MAGA
Any proof of that? No emotional opinions or self made up theories but actual proof of your claim the C_A is behind all of this.
I'm asking because I really didn't know that.
If you are looking for a smoking gun that proves that flat earth is a CIA operation I'm afraid you are not likely to find it. If someone had such a proof they would likely be erased off the face of the earth, because that is what they do.
If you would question whether they would do such a thing as to cognitively infiltrate a group of "dangerous conspiracy theorists," I would offer you this as something to consider - Conspiracy Theories by Cass R. Sunstein and Adrian Vermeule.
Another thing to consider - Flat earth theory is blasted across the whole internet. It is everywhere. They cry censorship but they are allowed to spew their idiocracy everywhere and are even promoted. Any information that might expose it as a COINELPRO operation has been scrubbed from the internet. I have tried to look into it. It is shut down everywhere on every level. Every YouTube video regarding this subject is removed, accounts suspended. Every webpage I can find about this subject, every blog post, returns 404, page unavailable, links broken. I am not talking about anti flat earth stuff. There's shit out there everywhere rebutting and making fun of flat earth - well, that is just Hegelian Dialectic. I am talking specifically about anything that calls it out as COINTELPRO, CIA, Jesuit, Masonic, or anything of the like. Food for thought.
I really wish I'd see someone finally prove once and for all the Earth is round by using holonomy, a side effect of curved spaces that increases an object rotation when its only moving in translations. This is possible on a sphere but impossible on a flat surface, and a purely mathematical concept (so no reliance on photoshopped pictures, or various kind of light pollution in the atmosphere, or weird optical illusion like on water). Determining whether or not holonomy is a thing on Earth will 100% prove if its a curved space or not.