Ah yes, true they don't all have to be alive at once, but still, that is a fuggin lot of people.
I wonder how many people have lived in all of known human history? My search engine says 105-107 billion. That is still not even close to 20 trillion.
I think "numerous as the stars of heaven" and "as many as the sand on the seashore" should be seen as rhetorical and not taken literally, since it is not feasible for there to be that many people on the earth. There estimated to be as many as 20 trillion stars in the observable universe, and there is ~148 million square kilometers of land not covered by water on the earth's surface. Divide that space by 20 trillion and, by my calculations, I get that each person would have 0.74 square centimeters of space. That is tight AF.
I think in that verse Jesus was using rhetorical language, primarily to convict those he was speaking to of their sins... But, I think the part that says "the servant abideth not in the house for ever" is not speaking of the promised land (physical), but spiritually speaking of God's house (heavenly realm). "Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham." They are still physically children of Abraham but spiritually children of the devil. There is physical and there is spiritual. There is a physical kingdom promised to the physical descendants of Abraham, and that is pointing to a greater spiritual truth. The spiritual kingdom (heaven) is for the spiritual descendants of Abraham. The physical kingdom extends from the Nile to the Euphrates, whereas the spiritual kingdom is without end. You can see this same typological symbolism all over the place, for instance the physical temple and a physical tabernacle in Jerusalem point to God's heavenly temple and throne.
Yeah, this stuff can be a bit difficult... I hope you don't mind I enlisted the aid of AI to answer this question, since I'm a bit slow (and inarticulate) -
How are the mosaic and abrahamic covenants related?
The Mosaic Covenant and the Abrahamic Covenant are closely connected, with the latter unfolding and expanding the former [I think it means the former unfolding and expanding the latter]. Here are key points highlighting their relationship:
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Unconditional vs. Conditional: The Abrahamic Covenant is unilateral and unconditional, with God making promises to Abraham without specifying conditions (Genesis 12:2-3, 15:1-21). In contrast, the Mosaic Covenant is conditional, requiring obedience to God’s laws and commands (Exodus 19-24).
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Expansion and Fulfillment: The Mosaic Covenant builds upon and fulfills the promises made in the Abrahamic Covenant. The Abrahamic Covenant predicted the growth of Abraham’s descendants into a nation (Genesis 12:2-3), while the Mosaic Covenant defines Israel as a nation under God’s law (Exodus 19-24).
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Signs and Symbols: Both covenants feature signs and symbols. The Abrahamic Covenant is marked by circumcision (Genesis 17:9-14), while the Mosaic Covenant is characterized by the Passover and Sabbath (Exodus 12:1-30, 20:8-11).
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Purpose and Focus: The Abrahamic Covenant emphasizes God’s promise to redeem humanity and establish a relationship with His people. The Mosaic Covenant, while still focused on redemption, adds a layer of responsibility and obedience, defining Israel as a covenant people.
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Temporal and Eschatological: The Mosaic Covenant is a temporary covenant, given to Israel during their wilderness wanderings and until the coming of the Messiah (Hebrews 8:13). The Abrahamic Covenant, on the other hand, is an eternal covenant, pointing to the ultimate redemption and restoration of humanity through Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:8, Romans 4:13-16).
In summary, the Mosaic Covenant is a development and expansion of the Abrahamic Covenant, with the latter providing the foundation and promise, and the former defining the terms and responsibilities of Israel as God’s covenant people.
Fren, this is a different, separate covenant from the covenant of the law (Covenant of Moses). The Mosaic Covenant is conditional, but the Abrahamic Covenant is unconditional.
I would also point out that the context -
"But Abram said, 'Lord God, what will You give me, seeing I go childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?' Then Abram said, 'Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one born in my house is my heir!'"
"And behold, the word of the Lord came to him, saying, 'This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir.' Then He brought him outside and said, 'Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.' And He said to him, 'So shall your descendants be.'"
The context implies that the descendants being referred to are those from his own body, meaning actual lineage.
No, Abram was put into a deep sleep when the covenant was made to signify that the covenant is fully on God. There is no requirement for Abram or his descendants to do anything.
My point is that literal, blood-lineage Hebrews do indeed have a special part to play in things. They have never owned the whole land from the Nile to the Euphrates.
Study the Abrahamic Covenant. God made an unconditional, eternal covenant with Abraham, and it can not be broken.
Yeah, I think it was in reference to another parody video by the same person. This guy --> Mr. Reagan
He also did a reaction to Elon sharing his video.
Yeah, I get what you are saying. its like wrestling. Everyone knows its all fake but they all play along. Don't spoil it for everyone. Example: Pence. Is he a Judas or is he just playing a role? It doesn't matter! Boo him. He's the bad guy. If he's acting we can applaud him at the final curtain.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/393754
"We must be strong so Israel won't be able to do these things to the Palestinians. Just as we entered Karabakh and Libya, we will do the same to Israel. There's nothing left to do, we must be strong."
Israel. No mention of Golan Heights.
Threat to Enter Israel
The correct term is invade.
Ben Carson and Alveda King. Trump is keeping much better company these days.
This was the goal all along. Margaret Sanger would be proud.
Yeah, I don't know why it says Matthew on there, his name is Maxwell D. Yearick.
Clearly you do. And Q also prays to fairy tales.
Trump believes in fairy tales too, you better vote for heels up.
The Bible does not say that rainbows didn't exist before the flood. God simply repurposed them to be a sign of his covenant.
Your mockery would be quite welcome at the Olympics, maybe you should be up on the stage with all the trannies.
God is sovereign over all creation.
Trump said Christians rarely get out and vote, most Christians don't bother. That part is [deceptively?] edited out of this clip [missing context].
You are correct.
I think applying Mosaic law can be helpful in establishment of a functioning society, absolutely, but to have a truly perfect functioning government honestly can only be achieved by having God incarnate at the helm. When Jesus comes back we will have that. Also, when He comes back He will be able to set us strait on who's who so I'm not that concerned about it.
I would agree there's not a huge reason to be that fixated on bloodlines, what is more important is just to know Jesus, and everything else is gravy. The main reason that it matters is because God made a promise to Abraham and if He doesn't keep that promise how can we expect Him to keep His promises to us? I believe God keeps all His promises, and as fully as possible.
As for how I see it playing out with the physical promised land - its pretty simple. The Jews return to the land. I believe this already happened. Even if many of the Jews that returned to the promised land are not real Jews I'm sure the real ones are in there somewhere (providence). Daniel's 70th week will happen - the time of Jacob's Trouble. This will be a winnowing, and most of the Jews will be killed. A remnant will be preserved, and afterward, they will realize that they have rejected their Messiah and repent. They will live in the land that has been promised to them as God's holy people. They will be spiritually grafted back into the olive tree and the whole promised land will also be given to them, and Jesus will rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years.
(I finally got this response written 2 hours later, told you im slow kek)