Progressiveness is the spawn of satan. People who follow that ideology are capable of justifying anything.
If you can twist your morality to justify aborting babies, you can eventually twist your morality into justifying molesting kids and exterminating political enemies.
I've talked to several brainwashed leftists who were fine with criticizing Obama. For example, when I brought up all the bombs Obama dropped on 7 moslem countries (1 bomb dropped every 24 minutes), they readily agreed that Obama did bad things. However, they did it within the context of a 'Orange man bad' point of view, i.e. their TDS was so all-consuming that they would happily throw any democrat under the bus if it was necessary to maintain their TDS.
Obama is no longer as worshipped as he used to be, because the shills put all of their effort into 'Orange man bad' brainwashing, rather than Obama damage limitation propaganda.
You nailed it! I have seen the exact same thing with my inlaws for years but now my friends, 100% Trump supporters, suddenly believe the msm too. Keep the Faith!
As someone who now understands the issue against abortion in a way i never could before, I have to say, in defense of those who do support it, that I had never encountered a proper conversation or perspective on why it is wrong - instead I grew up washed in awareness of the difficulties and suffering people can face when having unwanted children and I just wanted to try and help with that. The person that really solidified it for me was actually Louis CK, where he explained that one side genuinely sees it as, if you need an abortion, you better get one - the way you would take better take a dump if you need one - and the other sees it as literally killing babies. The more I thought about it, the more I realised that I saw it as actually killing babies, but no-one in my life has ever had that conversation with me, even now, and I don't think I'm alone...
I agree about progressiveness by the way. I think deep down it is driven by the passion of resentment and dissatisfaction and is of the devil. But there are many honestly good people caught up in it, and its really important to realise that they are being completely cut off from one whole side of the conversation - it is not that they have heard the case against progressivism and rejected it, they have been fooled into thinking they've heard the case against it when in fact they've been given a carefully constructed weak presentation of it.
The problem is their justification for it stems from "it's just a clump of cells".
Very early on, of course that's true -- and we as a society haven't agreed exactly when an unborn baby is considered as having a soul, which complicates things on a certain level too.
The best middle ground is up to first heartbeat, but you have people on both sides ready to loudly yell that that isn't far enough their way so conversation doesn't go anywhere and meaningful change isn't made.
And I guess that's part of the problem. The uniparty deep state has pitted us so thoroughly against each other that it has to be one way or the other way, and only my way is the right way. We don't get true non-partisan or bipartisanship anymore. We don't genuinely work together because we hate each other's values.
We can't even come together under love of country anymore.
It's actually really upsetting if you get deep into it.
The only points of reference I can think of is how Islam and Judaism approach abortion and the issue of human soul. Very generally both agree to 40 days from conception, although some Islamic views permit it up until 120 days.
I think the biggest clue is how women feel and act when they have an early miscarriage - that tells us what we know in our hearts - that this was the hope and beginning of a baby, whatever we might tell ourselves to justify an action we wanted or needed to take. Its all really really sad, and the most important thing is not to let it foster hate :(
We're essentially the only species that self police. If gorillas, bears, or pandas eat their young it is nature, but with people we call it murder.. A soul is a social construct to someone who doesn't believe it exists. That's the real issue: strictly biologically there is nothing wrong with abortion. You have to convince people to believe in the social construct, whether it be because of religion or ethics.
I'm in the minority and don't feel government should legislate biological processes. Without abortion, poverty and crime would be several times worse. I can't imagine what the end phenomena is. If a drug addicted prostitute doesn't abort, the child's only actual chance at a serviceable life is adoption.
Rich, white couples with fertility issues would usually rather spend a few hundred thousand dollars on IVF to have their own children instead of adopting. Tell me how that is noble? You literally have to kill embryos multiple times to get one to stick and survive.
Progressiveness is the spawn of satan. People who follow that ideology are capable of justifying anything.
If you can twist your morality to justify aborting babies, you can eventually twist your morality into justifying molesting kids and exterminating political enemies.
Show them the "All for a fucking flag?" video of Obummer and Mikelle. Perhaps they might realise those two are far from patriotic.
I've talked to several brainwashed leftists who were fine with criticizing Obama. For example, when I brought up all the bombs Obama dropped on 7 moslem countries (1 bomb dropped every 24 minutes), they readily agreed that Obama did bad things. However, they did it within the context of a 'Orange man bad' point of view, i.e. their TDS was so all-consuming that they would happily throw any democrat under the bus if it was necessary to maintain their TDS.
Obama is no longer as worshipped as he used to be, because the shills put all of their effort into 'Orange man bad' brainwashing, rather than Obama damage limitation propaganda.
Yep, that's what I see as well. Most women were entranced by Obama.
Not real women.
Yuck
He's a smooth talker.
As he flashes them bright pearly whites, eyebrows raised, lies spewing out... watch his face and you can see it.
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You nailed it! I have seen the exact same thing with my inlaws for years but now my friends, 100% Trump supporters, suddenly believe the msm too. Keep the Faith!
Even though I'm on the right, I think Satan hijacked the leftist ideas.
As someone who now understands the issue against abortion in a way i never could before, I have to say, in defense of those who do support it, that I had never encountered a proper conversation or perspective on why it is wrong - instead I grew up washed in awareness of the difficulties and suffering people can face when having unwanted children and I just wanted to try and help with that. The person that really solidified it for me was actually Louis CK, where he explained that one side genuinely sees it as, if you need an abortion, you better get one - the way you would take better take a dump if you need one - and the other sees it as literally killing babies. The more I thought about it, the more I realised that I saw it as actually killing babies, but no-one in my life has ever had that conversation with me, even now, and I don't think I'm alone...
I agree about progressiveness by the way. I think deep down it is driven by the passion of resentment and dissatisfaction and is of the devil. But there are many honestly good people caught up in it, and its really important to realise that they are being completely cut off from one whole side of the conversation - it is not that they have heard the case against progressivism and rejected it, they have been fooled into thinking they've heard the case against it when in fact they've been given a carefully constructed weak presentation of it.
The problem is their justification for it stems from "it's just a clump of cells".
Very early on, of course that's true -- and we as a society haven't agreed exactly when an unborn baby is considered as having a soul, which complicates things on a certain level too.
The best middle ground is up to first heartbeat, but you have people on both sides ready to loudly yell that that isn't far enough their way so conversation doesn't go anywhere and meaningful change isn't made.
And I guess that's part of the problem. The uniparty deep state has pitted us so thoroughly against each other that it has to be one way or the other way, and only my way is the right way. We don't get true non-partisan or bipartisanship anymore. We don't genuinely work together because we hate each other's values.
We can't even come together under love of country anymore.
It's actually really upsetting if you get deep into it.
The only points of reference I can think of is how Islam and Judaism approach abortion and the issue of human soul. Very generally both agree to 40 days from conception, although some Islamic views permit it up until 120 days.
I think the biggest clue is how women feel and act when they have an early miscarriage - that tells us what we know in our hearts - that this was the hope and beginning of a baby, whatever we might tell ourselves to justify an action we wanted or needed to take. Its all really really sad, and the most important thing is not to let it foster hate :(
We as a society have agreed that there is no such thing as a soul... We don't live in the middle ages...
We're essentially the only species that self police. If gorillas, bears, or pandas eat their young it is nature, but with people we call it murder.. A soul is a social construct to someone who doesn't believe it exists. That's the real issue: strictly biologically there is nothing wrong with abortion. You have to convince people to believe in the social construct, whether it be because of religion or ethics.
I'm in the minority and don't feel government should legislate biological processes. Without abortion, poverty and crime would be several times worse. I can't imagine what the end phenomena is. If a drug addicted prostitute doesn't abort, the child's only actual chance at a serviceable life is adoption.
Rich, white couples with fertility issues would usually rather spend a few hundred thousand dollars on IVF to have their own children instead of adopting. Tell me how that is noble? You literally have to kill embryos multiple times to get one to stick and survive.
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