Hey fren... no... I don't trust the government to start executing anyone ok. They are corrupt. What you are calling for it will turn into #metool all over again where #metoo got corrupted into a tool for dealing with political adversaries. So just... no.
Now when I read this -paying for abortion is paying for a hitman- that part is good it's well within the parameters of a propaganda slogan just so you are aware, it's playing on emotions instead of logic but it is effective. I honestly would ditch the part where you propose the solution is death and that you are going to trust a man made institution to carry it out as it is unneeded to make your point and in my own opinion it harms the argument. Even a functioning system ordered around God would not be impervious to human errors. Besides this heavy handed tactic never works I'm flipping old I know it doesn't work. What you want is to change hearts and that can't happen by doling out punishments. Just look at the difference between the Old and New Testament, God tried the holy fire thing it didn't work.
Everyone should be scared of God's wrath you are correct. However look at the other comments you are creeping people out jumping the shark so to speak on the punishment you prescribe. I am just pointing out that if you want to win people over on this forum you should walk it back.
you're taking this massively outside of the context OP is stating.
He's not stating all of his premise on the context of corrupt democrat controlled government.
Not trusting the government to deliver justice by definition means that you are also saying that you do not trust a patriot government to deliver justice to evil people and communists when the situation arises (NCSWIC). A military controlled government is still a government.
you're getting your panties in a knot over you taking OP's point out of context.
SSConservativePride does have a point though, and I understand where he's coming from.
Point 1:
Men who pay for abortions should be executed by the government. Funding an abortion is no different from hiring a hitman to remove an "inconvenient" person.
I think everyone agrees with.
Point 2:
A law that mandates death for those who fund abortions is a critical step to Save Our Children.
While related, is a completely separate point. I think he is simply saying if you focus on the first one, your thread would have much more productive discussion. I don't think he's arguing against the second point at all really (I agree with you OP), but that it's hindering discussion on the first point because you've attached the two together.
Right... so the point I was getting at with Love, is that for now the point he/she is making is perhaps weakened by the proposed solution given that he/she is talking to loads of people that do not trust the government at this particular point in time. I was arguing the efficacy of the point they are making saying it would probably go over better without the second half of it attached. That is all. They said they didn't want to give up that part of the position because they feel strongly about it, in a fixed system, to which I said ok. So in terms of winning I simply pointed out that IMO "Funding an abortion is no different than hiring a hitman" was the winning point and proposing the solution was just detracting from that statement because you will lose people at that point. Not all people, just people.
Ok so next question... serial murderers are different than regular murderers in that the sheer number of victims provides in most cases, enough evidence, correlations, and sometimes even confessions so that we are(were?) reasonably sure we have the right criminal. However the depth of corruption that I think I am seeing right now has me questioning everything, I have to admit it's getting real weird. Also just read your comment about me getting twisted, yeah a bit, but the Lord will probably come through with some clarity soon. Have a good day Light nice chatting with you as always.
I was arguing the efficacy of the point they are making saying it would probably go over better without the second half of it attached. That is all.
I can meet you there. You're actually right.
So in terms of winning I simply pointed out that IMO "Funding an abortion is no different than hiring a hitman" was the winning point and proposing the solution was just detracting from that statement because you will lose people at that point. Not all people, just people.
While I don't necessarily disagree with OP, the second part 100% sidetracks from the main point, in which you're right.
Ok so next question... serial murderers are different than regular murderers in that the sheer number of victims provides in most cases, enough evidence, correlations, and sometimes even confessions so that we are(were?) reasonably sure we have the right criminal.
I could've stated that better, I wasn't trying to make a point about serial murders specifically, but just heinous crimes worthy of execution. I 100% agree with you though on the point you're making here.
However the depth of corruption that I think I am seeing right now has me questioning everything, I have to admit it's getting real weird. Also just read your comment about me getting twisted, yeah a bit, but the Lord will probably come through with some clarity soon. Have a good day Light nice chatting with you as always.
It has us all twisted. It's incredibly difficult sometimes, and I'm not innocent at all. We all need to lean on the Lord more.
At the end of the day, the eternal government is on his shoulders. He will rule with an Iron Rod and we will have no more problems. One Day!
Our country was founded on libertarian principles. You realize if we lived in a society that kills people for speech, we'd all be dead? The covid mafia would have killed us all because our speech was 'dangerous' just like you claim commies' speech is 'dangerous'. You have a major flaw in your principles.
Ok.....let's try and sort some of this out. I understand your position and am firmly against abortion but here's the thing, You don't get to take God's wrath and murder men because they paid....how about the women who GET them? Are you killing them too? Vengeance is Mine sayith the Lord! He will judge, not you...now you have broken the commandment "Thou shalt not kill!" See how this becomes a slippery slope for your soul?
God decides.....We obey......God judges.....They face His wrath.
My apology if you interpreted it that way...God said to follow the laws of the land...Your proposal is not a law of the land, abortion is legal....pedophilia is against the law of the land so therefore judgement is mans as well as Gods...
We cant go around killing people who we disagree with. God gave us free will because we have to answer for our sins to Him..morality has been lost by many...I trust Gods judgment...
Pro tip: around 75% of women considering an abortion decide to keep their baby after getting and seeing an ultrasound scan of said unborn baby. If you want to do more than pray, give money to your local pro-life/crisis pregnancy center(s) with the express purpose of being used for ultrasounds that these centers will provide free of charge for women experiencing crisis pregnancies or seeking help.
I read the thread and there are topics missing and questions not answered that prevent me from forming an opinion. A woman who pays for her own abortion (let's say a casual fling and the man never knows for simplicity), Does she get executed? Him?
Are those brought up believing it is legal and in some cases good executed too? Or would the executions only occur after a law change where the people are made aware of the consequences?
The loss of any life is tragic though sometimes a life must be taken to save others.
Is redemption off the table for any involved? You both seem comfortable with your judgements of others, so I ask for clarity as to what you precisely mean with these questions.
Maybe you are right. I believe that through the Light there might be none beyond redemption. I believe loving my enemy can be more than the mercy of a swift death. Please clarify these points for me. I don't what to judge the validity of your statements without understanding.
Or would the executions only occur after a law change where the people are made aware of the consequences?
answered your own question.
abortion should be viewed no different from murder legally.
Murder is illegal and carries up to the death sentence. Abortion should be treated the same. Just as illegal, just as lethal of potential maximum punishment.
So only after people are made aware then? I'm confident that is what you mean, but straight answers eliminate ambiguity. Regardless, I think these are valuable discussions to have and welcome further answers to my other questions. I agree that such penalties are logical with limited exceptions (i.e. saving the life of a mother). For starters, we have to educate the population and change the laws. Improve people's lives and the role models they are given. Compassion is a strong shield and losing the life of one who can be redeemed is tragic.
Hey fren... no... I don't trust the government to start executing anyone ok. They are corrupt. What you are calling for it will turn into #metool all over again where #metoo got corrupted into a tool for dealing with political adversaries. So just... no.
you're insane
Extreme
search how many scriptures Q has quoted and how many religious christian figures and how many times Q tells us to pray you athiest faggot
What about murderers? Should murderers be executed? Or should we let them out and murder again?
what about child murderers?
Do you not support execution of child rapists?
child abusers?
child traffickers?
child sex slavers?
A crime against a child in this nature is a crime worthy of death.
How does murdering someone all of a sudden become less bad just because they're not born yet?
Now when I read this -paying for abortion is paying for a hitman- that part is good it's well within the parameters of a propaganda slogan just so you are aware, it's playing on emotions instead of logic but it is effective. I honestly would ditch the part where you propose the solution is death and that you are going to trust a man made institution to carry it out as it is unneeded to make your point and in my own opinion it harms the argument. Even a functioning system ordered around God would not be impervious to human errors. Besides this heavy handed tactic never works I'm flipping old I know it doesn't work. What you want is to change hearts and that can't happen by doling out punishments. Just look at the difference between the Old and New Testament, God tried the holy fire thing it didn't work.
Everyone should be scared of God's wrath you are correct. However look at the other comments you are creeping people out jumping the shark so to speak on the punishment you prescribe. I am just pointing out that if you want to win people over on this forum you should walk it back.
Fair nuff, I too stand by what I am saying.
you're taking this massively outside of the context OP is stating.
He's not stating all of his premise on the context of corrupt democrat controlled government.
Not trusting the government to deliver justice by definition means that you are also saying that you do not trust a patriot government to deliver justice to evil people and communists when the situation arises (NCSWIC). A military controlled government is still a government.
you're getting your panties in a knot over you taking OP's point out of context.
SSConservativePride does have a point though, and I understand where he's coming from.
Point 1:
I think everyone agrees with.
Point 2:
While related, is a completely separate point. I think he is simply saying if you focus on the first one, your thread would have much more productive discussion. I don't think he's arguing against the second point at all really (I agree with you OP), but that it's hindering discussion on the first point because you've attached the two together.
what about serial murderers?
do you trust the government to execute them?
stop thinking only in terms of overbloated government. Government is not bad. Government is instituted by God.
BAD government is bad. Sadly, this is most of it.
Right... so the point I was getting at with Love, is that for now the point he/she is making is perhaps weakened by the proposed solution given that he/she is talking to loads of people that do not trust the government at this particular point in time. I was arguing the efficacy of the point they are making saying it would probably go over better without the second half of it attached. That is all. They said they didn't want to give up that part of the position because they feel strongly about it, in a fixed system, to which I said ok. So in terms of winning I simply pointed out that IMO "Funding an abortion is no different than hiring a hitman" was the winning point and proposing the solution was just detracting from that statement because you will lose people at that point. Not all people, just people.
Ok so next question... serial murderers are different than regular murderers in that the sheer number of victims provides in most cases, enough evidence, correlations, and sometimes even confessions so that we are(were?) reasonably sure we have the right criminal. However the depth of corruption that I think I am seeing right now has me questioning everything, I have to admit it's getting real weird. Also just read your comment about me getting twisted, yeah a bit, but the Lord will probably come through with some clarity soon. Have a good day Light nice chatting with you as always.
I can meet you there. You're actually right.
While I don't necessarily disagree with OP, the second part 100% sidetracks from the main point, in which you're right.
I could've stated that better, I wasn't trying to make a point about serial murders specifically, but just heinous crimes worthy of execution. I 100% agree with you though on the point you're making here.
It has us all twisted. It's incredibly difficult sometimes, and I'm not innocent at all. We all need to lean on the Lord more.
At the end of the day, the eternal government is on his shoulders. He will rule with an Iron Rod and we will have no more problems. One Day!
If you want a theocracy that executes blasphemers, you can move to the middle east.
You going to execute everyone who takes the morning after pill too?
just those who make and market it.
Anything that promotes communist degeneracy should be stamped out with no mercy.
So you believe in facist ideals, not libertarian ones?
Not criticizing, just curious.
only good communist is a dead one
nip it in the bud
those who advocate for these ideals are a danger to society for more than a serial murderer.
So you are anti free speech?
All I can say is McCarthy was right.
communism will be the death of us all.
I'm not anti-free speech.
I'm anti-communism.
getting to a place where this insanity is accepted was a mistake of massive proportions.
Abortion should be nigh illegal, save extraordinary circumstances of which should be carefully monitered.
Encouraging women to get abortions should be jail time.
It should be no different than businesses encouraging people to commit murder.
It's after the sperm has fertilized the egg. So when do we execute them? One week after?
Where does OP argue for theocracy?
stop putting words in his mouth.
@ u/Heckles, our country was founded on these principles. OP is merely saying we should move back to them.
I can understand the shock though, because a government described by OP is so starkly different from what we are used to.
Our country was founded on libertarian principles. You realize if we lived in a society that kills people for speech, we'd all be dead? The covid mafia would have killed us all because our speech was 'dangerous' just like you claim commies' speech is 'dangerous'. You have a major flaw in your principles.
Who is making the argument for killing over speech?
Where is this strawman you speak of?
Strawman? Are you kidding me? Ok, I'll just quote you:
"only good communist is a dead one"
"Anything that promotes communist degeneracy should be stamped out with no mercy."
So... You are making the argument.
this is a popular meme. It's also true.
no mention of killing
no, very extreme. Apples and oranges... how about making it illegal first a penalizing doctors for illegal procedures.
Imagine downvoting this comment.
Anyone who performs abortions should be aborted. Abortion is murder.
Downvoted. God is quite clear on this topic. He says, Exodus 20:13
imagine thinking your 1500 english translation is really what Moses said. Correct translation is murder.
God killed thousands of hebrews in the same book of the Bible idiot.
shoot yourself, faggot
Can you be more descriptive?
Shoot myself what? A text? Heroin? Or are you implying that I should suicide myself?
Hand gun? Grenade launcher?
OR could you be referring to flying? Shoot myself upwards?
please do tell.
"shoot yourself" fascinating counter argument!
I agree. was merely making a point.
some people are KJV only-ers, which is bullocks.
NASB is objectively more accurate anyways.
"if the King James Bible was good enough for Saint Paul, it's good enough for me."
KEKW
Ok.....let's try and sort some of this out. I understand your position and am firmly against abortion but here's the thing, You don't get to take God's wrath and murder men because they paid....how about the women who GET them? Are you killing them too? Vengeance is Mine sayith the Lord! He will judge, not you...now you have broken the commandment "Thou shalt not kill!" See how this becomes a slippery slope for your soul?
God decides.....We obey......God judges.....They face His wrath.
Blessings....
My apology if you interpreted it that way...God said to follow the laws of the land...Your proposal is not a law of the land, abortion is legal....pedophilia is against the law of the land so therefore judgement is mans as well as Gods...
We cant go around killing people who we disagree with. God gave us free will because we have to answer for our sins to Him..morality has been lost by many...I trust Gods judgment...
Blessings....
If there were no doctors to perform abortions
then 90% of abortions would not happen.
supply and demand.
if all abortions were done by those who did it themselves, then they have literal mental issues and need to be locked up.
Pro tip: around 75% of women considering an abortion decide to keep their baby after getting and seeing an ultrasound scan of said unborn baby. If you want to do more than pray, give money to your local pro-life/crisis pregnancy center(s) with the express purpose of being used for ultrasounds that these centers will provide free of charge for women experiencing crisis pregnancies or seeking help.
ooph big true
the same people make dozens of killing communists by throwing them out of helicopters jokes
but oh God you mentioned scripture? disagREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I read the thread and there are topics missing and questions not answered that prevent me from forming an opinion. A woman who pays for her own abortion (let's say a casual fling and the man never knows for simplicity), Does she get executed? Him? Are those brought up believing it is legal and in some cases good executed too? Or would the executions only occur after a law change where the people are made aware of the consequences? The loss of any life is tragic though sometimes a life must be taken to save others. Is redemption off the table for any involved? You both seem comfortable with your judgements of others, so I ask for clarity as to what you precisely mean with these questions. Maybe you are right. I believe that through the Light there might be none beyond redemption. I believe loving my enemy can be more than the mercy of a swift death. Please clarify these points for me. I don't what to judge the validity of your statements without understanding.
answered your own question.
abortion should be viewed no different from murder legally.
Murder is illegal and carries up to the death sentence. Abortion should be treated the same. Just as illegal, just as lethal of potential maximum punishment.
So only after people are made aware then? I'm confident that is what you mean, but straight answers eliminate ambiguity. Regardless, I think these are valuable discussions to have and welcome further answers to my other questions. I agree that such penalties are logical with limited exceptions (i.e. saving the life of a mother). For starters, we have to educate the population and change the laws. Improve people's lives and the role models they are given. Compassion is a strong shield and losing the life of one who can be redeemed is tragic.
Should be obvious, but
I'll humor you.
Otherwise, I agree with everything you say.