Not trying to cast doubt but what process would allow for the results to be overturned at this point? I've heard tons of constitutional analysis claim that after the results were certified and the candidate inaugurated, there's no constitutional path to correct the wrong.
I just have this feeling that the fraud will be exposed but it'll result in "we'll get em next time" just for it to happen again.
I've heard tons of constitutional analysis claim that after the results were certified and the candidate inaugurated, there's no constitutional path to correct the wrong.
I've heard that "Fraud vitiates (cancels) everything." --Supreme Court, 1878
Legally, any certification and inauguration based on FRAUD is null and void—at the moment they occur. Not "if someone catches it" or "after it's prosecuted." Automatically voided by fraud. Any contract executed under fraudulent pretense is instantaneously null and void, and thus unenforceable.
Biden is not the president in any legal or constitutional sense, because of the enormous mountain range of fraud that has already been proven.
Thanks, this makes a lot of sense! Then it would be a matter of having a body that would oust Biden out of office? SCOTUS won't rule on anything so this would be where the military steps in?
I know we don't have the answers, just thinking out loud.
The question is actually about enforcement. Once fraud is found and this administration is null and void. Does the Military enforce the law? Who tells them to GTFO and then makes them?
Very interesting. I wouldn't see the military step in until the very last minute. With the states beginning these audits, I could almost see them revealing massive amounts of fraud and trying to recall their congress members. Some would take the 'we'll fix it next time in '22' answer, but that'll just delay the issue unless their populations hold their state reps accountable and demand it.
Legally, the only authority given by the Constitution to remove a President is through Congress. Technically there doesn't even have to be a crime committed let alone a conviction for the impeachment process to start. SCOTUS has ruled time and time again that a sitting President is above the regular court system. It's up to Congress to remove the President or for the President to leave office before the justice system can have any effect.
So I think a little bit of fascism to cure this is going to have to be the answer. We need the military to step up and do their job. They need to abolish the government and install Trump as President. If the courts don't like it Well they need to be gotten rid of too. Martial law for the citizens as well - the Patriots cannot be squeamish about use of force to keep people in line.
..|SCOTUS has ruled time and time again that a sitting President is above the regular court system.
That is correct. However I am not aware of any SCOTUS rulings that include the military justice system. I believe that the UCMJ would apply to a POTUS. So we do have a legal military option.
I suppose you could make some argument for that, although I would be surprised if military code even includes election lawe as it's not a 1:1 legal system and I would assume there would be jurisdiction issues. Regardless, even with a military conviction they have no legal authority to actually remove a President. That power is given specifically to Congress and the Framers were very careful to limit the authority of the military domestically.
So I think the military needs to make a move. An illegal move, but a just one. If they want to set up a kangaroo court and ignore the justice system, SCOTUS, state courts, US AG and Justice Department that's fine with me. I think they'll have to as well because I see none of those entities going along with this.
Personaly I don't know why Trump doesn't just walk into the White House. We all know it's empty right now and Trump is filming on Castlerock Studios grounds. It would avoid the whole charade with the military.
Second paragraph I agree except would not label with the nebulous overworn "fascism" label. The commies need Trump to be a nazi fash so they can hate him with hedonistic abandon.
First one I disagree because fraud cancels everything. You're not removing the legally elected president: you're removing an impostor, a usurper, a tyrant, a traitor who just committed a coup d'etat. Big difference.
Supreme Court could easily have heard the case, and seen enough blatant evidence of fraud in ten minutes to render a 9-0 verdict for the plaintiff. Fraud cancels everything. Trump obviously won by a vast margin and retains office. Easiest decision in history of Supreme Court.
As for fascism, I'm talking about the modus operandi of historical fascist takeovers of government. Not about the Holocaust or concentration camps or Gestapo or anything like that. I understand your concern though and it' snot something I would say to a normie.
I still don't think any court can even issue a judgement against a President, let alone have the legal authority to remove them. Regardless of what happened during the election it was still very legally certified. The Vice President himself presided over the final ceremony. So in my opinion, in that specific sense, Joe Biden is legally our President and I think Congress alone has the power to legally remove him. But we all know it won't happen so we need the military to step in at this point. Even if we could agree the courts could legally remove the sitting President we both know they won't actually do it .
The real motivator will be the incredible damage being done by an illegitimate government. The house, senate, and presidency are as they are due to fraud. Exposing it in the swing states will call into question the entire election and cause every instance where an unlikely scumbag got in to be suspect. The country will have NO CONFIDENCE in the outcome of the last or next election.
The damage being done by the democrats, and their current hold on power, will ultimately be what convicts them and what causes a major national push back against the cabal.
That is, if anything at all comes of these audits at this late hour.
MILITARY IS THE ONLY WAY<< this is what I keep thinking to myself.
At this point, if fraud is proven beyond a doubt (which in my mind it already has) with these new recounts, then I would imagine the military can then remove the Biden admin with any means necessary. <<<This is my hopeful thinking again.
Impeachment is a constitutional process. Yes, that requires one to have a brain, but if swing states all overturn their own results, the hope is that Congress, the Supreme Court, and the military will be racing each other to get Biden out of office out of sheer embarrassment to rectify their grave mistake of installing the wrong guy.
And at that point, we must not forget the traitors in the Republican party who allowed this grave injustice to occur in the first place. They must pay for their sedition.
Agreed, this is all symbolic at this point. Really the Supreme Court has no power at this point. It's up to Congress to remove him as that is the only legal measure by which he can be removed. The military could do it 'illegally' and that is probably what will need to happen.
Not trying to cast doubt but what process would allow for the results to be overturned at this point? I've heard tons of constitutional analysis claim that after the results were certified and the candidate inaugurated, there's no constitutional path to correct the wrong.
I just have this feeling that the fraud will be exposed but it'll result in "we'll get em next time" just for it to happen again.
I've heard that "Fraud vitiates (cancels) everything." --Supreme Court, 1878
Legally, any certification and inauguration based on FRAUD is null and void—at the moment they occur. Not "if someone catches it" or "after it's prosecuted." Automatically voided by fraud. Any contract executed under fraudulent pretense is instantaneously null and void, and thus unenforceable.
Biden is not the president in any legal or constitutional sense, because of the enormous mountain range of fraud that has already been proven.
Thanks, this makes a lot of sense! Then it would be a matter of having a body that would oust Biden out of office? SCOTUS won't rule on anything so this would be where the military steps in?
I know we don't have the answers, just thinking out loud.
Yes
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE LAW OF WAR MANUAL
chap 11 and 18 are the rules.
The military is the only way, according to this one letter I know
This. 100% correct.
The question is actually about enforcement. Once fraud is found and this administration is null and void. Does the Military enforce the law? Who tells them to GTFO and then makes them?
I've heard the military is the only way.
That sounds familiar.
Now, the question is, do we think they have a plan or something?
Seems like they might.
Very interesting. I wouldn't see the military step in until the very last minute. With the states beginning these audits, I could almost see them revealing massive amounts of fraud and trying to recall their congress members. Some would take the 'we'll fix it next time in '22' answer, but that'll just delay the issue unless their populations hold their state reps accountable and demand it.
Legally, the only authority given by the Constitution to remove a President is through Congress. Technically there doesn't even have to be a crime committed let alone a conviction for the impeachment process to start. SCOTUS has ruled time and time again that a sitting President is above the regular court system. It's up to Congress to remove the President or for the President to leave office before the justice system can have any effect.
So I think a little bit of fascism to cure this is going to have to be the answer. We need the military to step up and do their job. They need to abolish the government and install Trump as President. If the courts don't like it Well they need to be gotten rid of too. Martial law for the citizens as well - the Patriots cannot be squeamish about use of force to keep people in line.
That is correct. However I am not aware of any SCOTUS rulings that include the military justice system. I believe that the UCMJ would apply to a POTUS. So we do have a legal military option.
I suppose you could make some argument for that, although I would be surprised if military code even includes election lawe as it's not a 1:1 legal system and I would assume there would be jurisdiction issues. Regardless, even with a military conviction they have no legal authority to actually remove a President. That power is given specifically to Congress and the Framers were very careful to limit the authority of the military domestically.
So I think the military needs to make a move. An illegal move, but a just one. If they want to set up a kangaroo court and ignore the justice system, SCOTUS, state courts, US AG and Justice Department that's fine with me. I think they'll have to as well because I see none of those entities going along with this.
Personaly I don't know why Trump doesn't just walk into the White House. We all know it's empty right now and Trump is filming on Castlerock Studios grounds. It would avoid the whole charade with the military.
Second paragraph I agree except would not label with the nebulous overworn "fascism" label. The commies need Trump to be a nazi fash so they can hate him with hedonistic abandon.
First one I disagree because fraud cancels everything. You're not removing the legally elected president: you're removing an impostor, a usurper, a tyrant, a traitor who just committed a coup d'etat. Big difference.
Supreme Court could easily have heard the case, and seen enough blatant evidence of fraud in ten minutes to render a 9-0 verdict for the plaintiff. Fraud cancels everything. Trump obviously won by a vast margin and retains office. Easiest decision in history of Supreme Court.
Next case.
As for fascism, I'm talking about the modus operandi of historical fascist takeovers of government. Not about the Holocaust or concentration camps or Gestapo or anything like that. I understand your concern though and it' snot something I would say to a normie.
I still don't think any court can even issue a judgement against a President, let alone have the legal authority to remove them. Regardless of what happened during the election it was still very legally certified. The Vice President himself presided over the final ceremony. So in my opinion, in that specific sense, Joe Biden is legally our President and I think Congress alone has the power to legally remove him. But we all know it won't happen so we need the military to step in at this point. Even if we could agree the courts could legally remove the sitting President we both know they won't actually do it .
If it came to that, I think the military would hold another election.
The real motivator will be the incredible damage being done by an illegitimate government. The house, senate, and presidency are as they are due to fraud. Exposing it in the swing states will call into question the entire election and cause every instance where an unlikely scumbag got in to be suspect. The country will have NO CONFIDENCE in the outcome of the last or next election.
The damage being done by the democrats, and their current hold on power, will ultimately be what convicts them and what causes a major national push back against the cabal.
That is, if anything at all comes of these audits at this late hour.
MILITARY IS THE ONLY WAY<< this is what I keep thinking to myself.
At this point, if fraud is proven beyond a doubt (which in my mind it already has) with these new recounts, then I would imagine the military can then remove the Biden admin with any means necessary. <<<This is my hopeful thinking again.
Impeachment is a constitutional process. Yes, that requires one to have a brain, but if swing states all overturn their own results, the hope is that Congress, the Supreme Court, and the military will be racing each other to get Biden out of office out of sheer embarrassment to rectify their grave mistake of installing the wrong guy.
And at that point, we must not forget the traitors in the Republican party who allowed this grave injustice to occur in the first place. They must pay for their sedition.
Agreed, this is all symbolic at this point. Really the Supreme Court has no power at this point. It's up to Congress to remove him as that is the only legal measure by which he can be removed. The military could do it 'illegally' and that is probably what will need to happen.