Early in the scamdemic, I tried to contact medical doctors to ask if the following procedure could be a way to immunize against covid: Withdraw some blood from a person, inoculate it with a few covid "cells", let the person's immune system (at least what is in blood) develop antibodies to it, kill off the virus in the blood sample, then inject it back into the person, where they would have antibodies ready if needed in the future. I got no response from about 3 or 4 attempts (contacting medical research facilities). Now, I'm thinking, what would happen if just 2 or 3 covid "cells" were injected into a person? Since it is a respiratory virus, wouldn't it easily be taken care of when in the blood, resulting in antibodies that could fight it if it ever was introduced into the respiratory system? I hope someone here has some expertise/insight on this idea.
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Antibodies are produced in the lymphatic system, mainly the lymph nodes. Certain T, B, and Natural killer cells destroy the virus and present portions of it in the lymph system and based on there presented portions, antibodies are made. Adding virus to blood that's been withdrawn would not result in antibody production
This is a great thread because someone who's not educated in a field poses a genuinely curious question and helpful Frens respond with productive contributions to the discussions and some insight as to any potential legitimacy within the idea. Good job!
I’m not a doctor, but I know enough to know this doesn’t work. There isn’t an “immune system” in the blood. Yes, I know there are white blood cells, but once you’ve withdrawn the blood from the body, it won’t react the same way to the virus as it would if the blood were still in the body. It’s a much more complicated system.
Agreed. Bone marrow is an necessary part of the short and long term immune response.
Correct, Covid19 would have to be introduced directly into the person's body so the body would initiate an immune response. We don't need this agent disguised as a vaccine to treat this.
Covid is the disease state.
SARS-COV 2 is the name of the never isolated virus
you are correct, I was simplifying the semantics of said virus.
Gotcha!
Your first theory of blood draw, virus introduction, inject, would not work because the blood itself doesn’t develop the the T and B cells that fight the virus. The body detects the intruder and sends signals to create the various cells required to kill the virus.
The second part you mention is exactly how TRADITIONAL (not rona) vaccines work. We inject either a weakened virus or a killed virus, depending on what it is, which causes the body to produce the necessary cells to mitigate it. Our bodies will “remember” that particular virus and continue to produce the defenses. Keep in mind some viruses can mutate readily and rapidly, thereby making it difficult to fight them. Hence the flu and flu shot.
I’m not a medical professional by any stretch but this is how I figure it given some research and some limited medical training years ago.
Not a medical pro, but you just described how antiviral serum is made. It's already widely employed as it is the only treatment against the rabies virus in case a contaminated dog bites you. Only difference is that no blood is involved, just the plasma with the antibodies. You can even see how the process is done on youtube.
Same process was employed in the beggining stages of the coof when most medics didn't know what was going on, before the real medics (not the vaccine quacks), found out treatments that worked, like HCQ, Ivermectin, Remdesivir, Zinc and Azytrhomycin.
Not a doctor or biology expert, but that's generally how vaccines work. You insert an inactive virus so that the important pieces are floating around in the body, but it can't do anything (I believe a risk of this method is that a live virus can occasionally slip into the vaccines). The body recognizes it as a foreign intruder, attacks it, and records information about so that it will recognize it more easily in the future and be faster with it's defense.
The best way to get immunity to a virus is to boost your immune system (C, D and B vitamins), take the vitamins and minerals that are specifically against the viral interactions (vitamin D and Zn for coronavirus) and keep on hand known working therapeutics (Ivermectin and/or HCQ for coronavirus) and then go find someone who's sick with Covid and give them a hug.
This should have been the strategy from the beginning but unfortunately the medical establishment decided that existing therapeutics and prophylactics would kill more people than the coof would and ran a full-bore smear campaign against them.
I think it was not employed because they knew it would work.
It was completely obvious. I said it about a month after it first started, once the low risk for otherwise healthy people was apparent. It was the obvious play for anyone who knows anything about biology.
Yep. One has to look to none other than the Fauch himself and his 2005 SARS publications in relation to Chloroquines and reducing virulence.
The gaslighting campaign reached historic levels. We've never seen anything like this in our time. This is the ultimate culmination to execute their push for full global control under the guise of a medical emergency.
This is why you're a plumber and not a doctor. Well actually your screen name suggests you are a doctor, just not a medical one. So, I'll reverse it to...this is why you're a doctor, but not the right kind. The point is, I think it's a little more complicated than that. That's why we have Fauci to straighten things out.
I'm still stuck on HCQ pills cost 60 cents ea. and they supposedly work. The government paid big pharma $4b for not free shots that I don't understand why we need if there's already a 99% chance of survival without doing or taking anything.
You just defined what a real vaccine does (similar). Keep in mind, Covid-19 carries similar mortality rates to that of the common flu. We don't need an experimental agent to deal with this, we need herd immunity, no masks, and free flow of population movement. We need to spread this sucker far and wide and fast, we need it to mutate, why u ask? When it mutates we will have even greater immunity to the new strain but it will be weaker. Basically, whatever these so calledmedical doctors are telling you, do the opposite.
dr stephan lanka said 'when cells die they are broken down into submicroscopic particles some of which virologists label viruses'.. he won supreme court case in germany proving that there was no isolate for measles.. in fact the scientists who carried out his experiment would seem to indicate that no one ever could and certainly Dr Paul O Roberts naturapath says on his website the CDC has admitted no virus isolate anywhere for ebola or aids... its a scam and a very lucrative one, pfizer has just made 2 billion... all this talk of variants and mutants ..how can there be when no one has isolated a virus to begin with..how can they tell? pcr tests fake.. it was all to get people panicked into experimental gene therapy in violation of the nuremburg code.. uk israel and norway governments and WHO CDC etc. now before the ICC at the Hague ... nuremburg trials that Dr Reiner Fuellmich and his team of over 1,000 international lawyers and 10,000 medical experts say is the largest class action law suit in history..for the victims of this fake pandemic.
germ theory v terrain....videos online..
Fascinating stuff, I will check this out, thank you.
Not a doctor... No, injecting 3 or 4 covid virus (orders of magnitude smaller than a cell) into your body will not guarantee anything for immunity. Not only that, but you'd have to completely isolate Covid virus and have the ability to manipulate it on a single virus protein level (which doesn't seem quite possible at this time to that degree of precision).
Covid's spike protein is good at fooling your immune system, and directly in your bloodstream is not the area your body usually hosts its border defenses in mass. Therefore, it is likely with only 4 virus injected, it would go undetected by immune system and would enter at least one cell due to its very effective ACE2 spike protein. After cell entry, presuming it gets on the pathway to the cell nucleus, it would replicate there and you would certainly become fully infected before your immune system response had become aware of it.
Thank you! I was aware of traditional vaccines, so your explanation of why injecting this particular beast, and perhaps most viruses, wouldn't be a good idea :) As others have pointed out, I think building one's immune system as the first defense is the best plan, with potential therapeutics such as the HQ cocktail as the fall back if you do come down with symptoms, and outright hospital care as a last resort.
My explanation only applies to Covid specifically. There may or may not be other vaccines or versions of vaccines historically that would involve injecting attenuated versions of a virus, inactivated (dead) virus, or in some cases the partial broken up proteins (recombinate) of a known virus to inoculate / immunize. Now we have the experimental mRNA vaccine type from Moderna / Pfizer and that vaccine type has been problematic every time it has been tried during animal trials historically (and by the info coming in is problematic here too). There's too many unknowns about all the ways mRNA vaccine interacts with the body and frankly medical science doesn't have a complete understanding about how immunology works systemically for any of the vaccines. More on vaccine types here if you are interested: https://www.news-medical.net/amp/health/What-are-the-Different-Types-of-Vaccines.aspx
Personally, I'm not keen on most any vaccine generated today for a number of reasons (ethics of how some are generated, the adjuvants (many adjuvants are toxic to one degree or another) which they include to cause your immune system to go on high alert and thus increase the chance of discovery of the vaccine virus and creating an immune response to them so that you are immunized.
If I had a health condition that made me particularly susceptible to a disease, I would study the vaccine and make an informed choice on how to proceed.
Other than the fact that these jabs contain some of the same adjuvants contained in vaccines and recombinant manufacturing with the adenovirus vector jabs, that is where the similarity ends. These are not vaccines. Both methods being deployed with these medical devices have the same end goal - to make the human body produce foreign proteins. The mRNA devices use a synthetic genetic sequence wrapped in a liposomal delivery system to deliver the sequence into the cell. The recombinant devices are using an adenovirus as a vector to deliver a similar genetic sequence and push it into the nucleus. Both modalities cause the body to manufacture spike proteins. There is no quarantine these sequences will not be permanently taken up into our DNA. Also, we do not know whether there is an off switch for the production of these foreign proteins. The ramifications of this experiment are incalculable.
These are not vaccines in a traditional sense at all. Both methods are not causing the body to create specific immunity from the introduction of a foreign antigen. The human body is being hijacked to manufacture foreign proteins that are biologically active. How in the world does this make sense? To cause our own bodies to manufacture the very thing that causes illness.
The fact that people cannot see the insanity of this boggles my mind. This has never been done before in humans. The prior animal studies that used this technology ended in disaster. The fact that people so blindly trust another with the most precious thing they possess - their very lives - has always caused me consternation. Their blind trust could very well cost them dearly.
The frontline doctors website has a link where you can speak with a physician that can give you scripts for ivermectin and HCQ. Not a bad thing to have on hand against a whole host of pathogens or other conditions.
Also:
Zinc with copper (but only the recommended dosage - long-term use of zinc alone can deplete copper which can lead to anemia) It keeps viruses from entering the cell. Think spike protein.
Liposomal C (is more readily taken up by cells)
L-Lysine - taken on an empty stomach. Necessary to keep other double stranded DNA viruses, like Herpes/Shingles, in check. These can break out when the body is stressed. Many people have gotten shingles after being vaxed. Remember, we all have latent viruses hanging out in the body. Many of these viruses could have been introduced from previous contaminated vaccines. Think SV-40 from polio vaccines just to name one.
Vitamin D - must get blood levels up to at least 80 to 100 ng/ml to be truly effective - not 20 - 30!
Fish Oil - to keep blood from sticking together. Make sure it is good quality wild caught Atlantic and cold pressed. No hexane No Fukushima fish or farm raised. Must be independently lab tested for heavy metals. (Just in case you are around vaxed people - think clotting issues)
NAC and Alpha Lipoic Acid - helps to raise glutathione levels which in turn may help moderate cytokine storm.
Probiotics and soluble fiber like apple pectin. A huge part of the immune system resides in the gut. If that is not working well, nothing will. It is also the second brain because a large number of neurotransmitters are made in the gut - like serotonin.
Good luck.
It could be taken a step further w/ homeopathic method called nosode, inactivated cell , miniscule amount, dilluted even further to tiniest fraction, then potentiated eg shaken up real good, then administered to initiate immune response
Thank you all for the great comments! The only biology I ever had was probably junior high school, and then whatever was included with an oceanography class in college, these comments were very helpful! Take care everyone, and let's hope we can all celebrate MANY things in the coming months!
Thank you for the inquiry. At least you are attempting to use that brain you were given in order to try to solve problems - something too few are able to do nowadays. I will try to answer your questions the best I can.
To put it simply, our innate immune response to respiratory pathogens takes place naturally in the lung tissue because this is the point of entry. There is a non specific immune response always on the ready to take care of invaders and takes place in the tissue. A localized response is mounted while at the same time modulating that response as to not interfere with critical lung function. As an infection increases, more and more resources are deployed to fight that infection and clean up the damage and waste by way of chemical messaging.
What you speak of relates to adaptive specific immune responses that also take place more locally in the lung tissue. Your inquiry is related to B-cell adaptive immune capabilities that result in specific antibody production against a specific pathogen. B-cells are developed in the bone marrow and then migrate to the spleen and lymph nodes. This is where they become activated in response to antigens. In the case of respiratory infections this takes place locally in the lungs and its associated lymphatic tissue. (This is why cancer is located first in localized lymph nodes before it metastasizes.)
Targeting a specific B-cell by giving an antigen in the blood that causes activation throughout the entire body versus a more natural localized activation, like in the case of respiratory infection, is like trying to kill a gnat with a sledge hammer. The gnat may still get away but the furniture gets destroyed - in the entire house. And all of this destruction takes place before the gnat even shows up - but the hammer stays ready.
There are many more cells and immune modulating molecules involved than just B-cells or antibodies. Just the same as an army does not go to war using only a single type of strategy or weapon, our immune system uses a variety of defensive and offensive mechanisms to fight infection. Because the immune response in respiratory infections is not completely understood and is complicated, we have been limited as to the success of preventatives such as vaccines. It is just not that simple even though they try to make it sound that way.
Having a antibody produced by B-cells using antigen presentation thru viral vaccines prior to organic infection, is basically in theory only a time saver with regard to the production of those specific antibodies. Because those antibodies arrive sooner, the severity of the infection is lessened - sometimes to the point of not feeling ill at all - providing that the rest of the immune system is functioning properly as well. This is why vaccines against respiratory viral infections generally only work to lessen symptoms. They are limited as to preventing infection and most certainly do not prevent transmission. Sound familiar?
As in the case with influenza, a person's own immune capability will be the determining factor as to whether they can successfully mount a challenge to infection. IMHO attempts to meddle with this ballet called our immune response to viral infections, most of which are more a nuisance than deadly for the immune healthy, have caused far more harm than any perceived good. Our bodies are being forced to utilize finite resources to mount a generalized response that was meant to be taken care of locally. Can you say autoimmune disease?
When we start thinking about this whole plandemic in terms of an eugenicist bioweapon instead of an organic viral infection, we will go much further in protecting ourselves against what the globalist agenda is trying to unleash upon us. I hope this helps.
Thank you! The autoimmune possibilities with these "vaccines" is what really concerns me. I couldn't talk my 20-something daughters out of getting the shot, and I think they did. I believe my son is aware enough not to get the shot. My wife and I will wait a few years to see how it all plays out.
You are welcome. The real test is going to be this fall to see whether pathogenic priming is going to make those that have received the jab really sick when their immune systems overreact to any coronavirus. This is what happened during the Spanish Flu epidemic in 1918. Most of those young healthy adults died because of an experimental vaccine and overdosing on aspirin when they did get sick. History repeating itself. I knew a lady years ago that lost her first husband in that epidemic. The grandfather of my best friend in HS also died - her father was only two when his father died in the pandemic.
Even influenza has the potential to trigger an already overexcited immune system. Those that manage to be talked into getting an influenza vaccine in addition to all this COVID insanity are really going to be in trouble. A huge VA study showed that influenza vaccines made infection with coronaviruses more likely. How many nursing home patients had been vaccinated for influenza and died with the first wave with whatever the hell was released? Those poor people were murdered.
But, the plandemic did not kill as many as they wanted and petered out faster than they had planned. So, they had to continue to hype the numbers to keep the scam going until they could roll the jabs out. They already had them in the pipeline but for optics they had to at least wait a couple of months.
The other issue is a reproductive one. We will not know for sure whether birth rates have been affected for at least 18 to 24 months from now. Feedback I am getting from the OBs is that miscarriages are up - dramatically. I know someone who's next door neighbor just lost her baby. The day she got the second jab was the day they found out the baby did not have a heartbeat. She delivered that dead baby this Tuesday. I am assuming that the rouge proteins attacked the placenta. Clotting could cut off the blood supply to the baby. We are also seeing some of the reproductive issues in those not jabbed. This is concerning.
No one knows for sure what the hell is in these jabs because we are not being told. I heard from one doc that when she looked at the package insert from one of the jabs all she found was a blank page. This is insane. Unfortunately for us, we do not have access to high end sophisticated laboratory equipment to analyze what exactly is in these things. What we have found so far is disturbing to say the least.
The VAERS reporting system is already at 3500 deaths. So if you consider that only about 1% of all adverse reactions are reported... well, you do the math. Also, some of the reporting appears to be delayed by several months. Never have this many people been injured with the rollout of a product and the product continue to be pushed out. Several pharmaceutical products have been halted with just 50 people or less being killed in the past - so what gives? This is pure evil and a large swath of the public is under the false assumption that if there is a problem that the jabs would be pulled. Their ignorance could cost them their lives.
The same symptomology labeled as COVID is related to adverse reactions we are noting with the jabs. So, there more than likely is a similar mechanism of action - or several similar mechanisms of action all in play at the same time. Remember hearing about COVID toes? Autopsies that managed to leak out reported micro-clotting all over the body. Everyone was so focused on the acute respiratory infection that the clotting issues were taking a back seat. Whatever the causative factors were that elicited the initial manifestation of COVID, we are seeing some of the same symptoms along with others that could be related to the same underlying mechanisms. We just don't know.
All I know is that something is happening that cannot be laid at the door of mass hysteria. Which by the way, the CDC is now saying that some of the adverse reactions are due to anxiety. I am sure that is very comforting to know for those that have been injured or for those related to someone that died. Right on schedule. They can no longer deny something is happening to people after they get jabbed, so this is their excuse. They will run with that until they have to come up with something new to explain all the injury and death - like when people start dropping this fall. Take care of yourself.
There's no such thing as viruses, antibodies or immune systems --- as presently understood.
There's nothing to be "immune" to in the first place.
Germ theory is a giant hoax, from beginning to end.
The truth is always simple and self-evident.
I'm not a scientist, but this^ makes the most sense after being around kids and animals...some of the dirtiest little boys never get sick, they play outside and roll around with dogs & other kids, they're just tough.
but the ones who are coddled by their mothers, and not allowed to play, have all kinds of 'issues'. mind over matter.
Let them eat dirt! It does strengthen the immune system. To say there is no immune system I think is a bit of a stretch. I have worked with the effects of dysfunctional immune systems for years. To say that everything is simply a matter of toxicity is not understanding the complexities of how our immune system is orchestrated and functions.
Terrain theory has a few holes in it I cannot get past and those difficulties have yet to be explained to me to my satisfaction. But I do keep an open mind. That is the scientific method. Science must always be challenged. Once a position becomes entrenched and fixed it becomes dogmatic. That is not science, but religion.
We were designed to have a healthy immune response by coming into contact with things that stimulate it. Generations of children have been permanently damaged by targeting the immune system with poison. The very thing they claim is for our good is what is killing people - along with poisoned food, air, and water.
Shingles in adults skyrocketed at the very same time that children started to be immunized against chicken pox - a nuisance disease. So then, big pharma gets to roll out another shot - for shingles. We lost our natural immune boosters against shingles when the children around us no longer got chicken pox. As long as our immune system was periodically challenged by coming into contact with chicken pox, it kept the virus in check and stuck in the nerve ganglions. I am sorry, terrain theory cannot explain that correlation.
I do think we need to rethink the science behind viruses though. In that respect I lean more towards terrain theory. But, I am not ready to throw out germ theory all together. Bacterial infections can kill you and antibiotics can and do save lives; however, it has come with a cost - microbial resistance. I think the truth really does lie somewhere in the middle.