Tesla Engineer: Hey Elon, I've got an idea. What if we turn chemical energy into mechanical energy, then into electrical energy, then beck to chemical energy again, then to electric energy again before finally converting it back to mechanical energy to move the car.
He means using fuel generator to power up an electric car. But this is in Australia where they dint have the infrastructure and have massive distances.
It's fun to point out green leftists and this conundrum, but meh, not the best example
I don’t see how it’s hypocritical if the generator overall uses less fuel than all the cars it powers (if they weren’t electric). Green energy isn’t all or nothing. It’s small improvements over time
Converted to standard fuel consumption figures using the lifetime average kWh per kilometre, the BMW i3 came in as the most efficient, recording a fuel consumption rate of 4.392 litres/100km – about the same fuel efficiency as a diesel BMW 3 series.
4.392 L/100km = 53.555 US mpg
As a professional truck driver, I am not swallowing those fuel usage numbers.
The engine of a tractor trailer truck is roughly the same size as that diesel generator, and most of them use less fuel. My truck gets about 6.5 MPG at 70 miles per hour when it weighs 80,000 lbs. The engine in my truck is a 2016 DD15 engine, 12.7L inline 6.
Now, that generator appears to be a two-station charger. Perhaps the fuel usage numbers are accurate if TWO charging vehicles are attached. That would make the effective fuel economy about 11.2 MPG, which is much more in the realm of possibility for modern diesel generators - but I'd still say it seems low.
All that said, diesel charging stations are not meant to be efficient, they are meant to be places outside major electrical supply networks where electric vehicles can be recharged.
Obviously this is not meant to be the primary source for any individual electric car, but stopgap to enable electric cars on long trips inbetween population centers.
I love my plugin hybrid. I can't even remember the last time I had to go to a gas station. I pay $0.0768 per kilowatt-hour to charge at home. My car has a 11.6 kWh battery, so it takes $0.89 to charge my vehicle which takes about 2.5 hours.
My electric range is about 17 miles. Longer in summer, shorter in winter.
So that is about $0.05 per mile, or the equivalent cost of running a gas car that gets 63 miles per gallon at a cost of $3.15 per gallon.
But also, I don't have any wear and tear on the engine for all those electric miles.
Tesla has an 8 year warranty on the pack for degradation to 70%. That doesn't mean you have to replace it after 8 years. That doesn't even mean you have to replace it if it hits 70%, just that your range is lower.
The limit for charge/discharge depends on how fast and how extreme you're (dis)charging the battery. So how are people doing on average? For the model S/X the trendline is above 90% capacity at 150,000 miles.
Meh, to be fair, before the Xiden gas prices my 2.5 liter car only cost 10 cents per mile to drive, and it only got 25 mpg... and I have power when I need it and dont have to plug in except every 300 miles at any of the very common gas stations for about 80 seconds...
To be fair, plug in hybrids probably don't make any sense from a financial-only standpoint.
I don't like pumping gas in the rain or snow. I like the smooth power of electric drive. My town has free charging stations all over, and I love getting my battery charged for free while I go out to dinner etc.
It is really just kind of a hobby. But my car has a gas engine too so I never have to wait for a charging station while on a trip.
I didn't get the car to save the planet. The planet is fine. It is just fun.
When is the last time you know someone that scrapped a car because of the wear and tear of a modern engine? I've got a 22 years old truck still going strong at over 300k miles. Try doing the same with your battery in 20 years.
Internal combustion engines are complicated things that need periodic maintenance. Oil changes, spark plug changes, air filter, fuel filter, coolant flushes, transmission fluid changes.
Electric motors have zero maintenance. No filters to change. No oil to change. No transmission to break down. Never ever do they do they have a problem starting up. Unlike my Dodge Dart, which would on occasion embarrass the hell out of me by refusing to start randomly.
Just had to replace the throttle body assembly on wifey's car. Ford dealer said it would be 1.5 months before they could look at it. So I had to do it myself. Pain in the ass.
Electric motors don't have any throttle body.
I've had three vehicles with more than 100k miles. Spend many hours under the hood. I am not a fan of the internal combustion engine.
Wow, you really make it "complicated" when it's not.
Modern cars are more electronically complicated, but mostly much more reliable than their older injection engine counterpart.
Radiator flushes? Lol, it's now every 10+ years. Oil changes got yo 10k miles. You don't do trans flushes anymore.
And see, you replaced the throttle body yourself.
You whine about maintenance, just pay to do the mininal maintenance then, it's much less expensive than a new battery pack, or a new car payment.
That's freedom. Stop shilling for battery cars. It's not for everyone. You EV guys are all the same, forcing it in the throat of everyone. In real life or on the internet.
I'll explain: you twist every argument in being combustion engine = all bad and EV = all good. Like your maintenance argument which makes no sense financially.
Like your maintenance argument which makes no sense financially.
Maybe you should read my other comments in this post more carefully.
From my previous comment here:
To be fair, plug in hybrids probably don't make any sense from a financial-only standpoint.
you twist every argument in being combustion engine = all bad and EV = all good.
Taking a side in an argument is not 'twisting'.
You have not explained how I am forcing anything down anybody's throat by having an opinion.
Have I demanded that you or anybody else buy electric cars?
Have I insisted that you give up your internal combustion engines?
Or have I simply communicated that I don't like them?
You are acting like a libtard SJW. As if I'm some kind of Nazi because I like my car, and horror of horrors, admitted it in public.
Plug-in hybrids are definitely not for everyone. You will probably never recoup the up-front cost with savings from efficiency. Obviously it would be a poor choice for you, since you would find no enjoyment from running on electricity.
I couldn't give a flying fuck what kind of car you like, so I'm really mystified as to what your problem with me is.
I am not talking about that generator, and stop reposting the same reply all over, are you shilling for battery cars?
It's about used car market and keeping your car long (10 + years). Those battery pack DO LOSE CAPACITY every year. Use the car or not, they will chemically do, at the rate of 2-3% / year.
Sure, keep the car 10+ year and lose more and more of your freedom of movement with the dimishing range, I'll keep my gas car where I get the same fuel economy after 20 years and 300+ miles of good maintenance.
It's a scam as in the used car market will be crap left-overs with low battery capacity left and people having to renew their cars and payment if they want full capacity
You’re very focused on the used car market, which is fair. But how much would a replacement battery cost on a used electric car? Wouldn’t that give you the better range?
Replacement batteries are over 10k, if you are lucky. I've seem quotes of over 20k$ canadian in here.
And that is if that battery replacement still is being made 10 years down the road. Ever tried buying an older battery for that lithium-ion drill that doesn't hold a charge long enough anymore? You go back to that hardware store and never find that battery that still fits.
They are absolutely not 5k. Just for an example, 2 years ago, the 48 volt battery that goes in the back of the driver's seat Hemi Ram 1500 was around 4k$ and is probably around the same price still.
Yep, they all expose how little it costs them to go to work using battery cars, but you won't ever have them calculate the car payment they will have to renew to get back to a 100% capacity battery pack (or keep the car with the old battery and diminishing range/freedom of movement)
Everyone is arguing about gas mileage. Thats not the point I'm seeing. 3 hours every 200 miles? Fuck that. Time is money. I'm not sitting around for 3 fucking hours to go 200 miles to feel better about whales I'll probably never see.
Just another sham. It has been proven that technically advanced auto engines can get over 150 miles per gallon. But this technology has been suppressed for the almighty dollar greed by the oil business. Auto engines have basically been unchanged for the last 90 years if not more.
That's not a 350 kW genny. It's about 40-60 kW.
Or just low-t anons.
diesel powered electric car chargers
proving that ZERO infrastructure exists to bridge the fantastical future
That picture is from Nullarbor Australia, which doesn't have much infrastructure to begin with.
that's why gasoline and diesel should be the energy source
economies grow on CHEAP ENERGY and that is why China is rising and the West is falling
this pic exposes the myth of 'renewable energy'
deliberate taxpayer investment in a knowingly doomed venture
The pic is BS; look at this link from the other comments.
I realized the meme was bullshit, immediately.
It's a shallow attempt to mock critics of Renewable Energy
My points are accurate.
IF only they had backed Nicky Tesla, we would have free electricity worldwide!
Exactly, that gen set can power a strip mall.
Maybe a shitty podunk mall with 4 shops the size of mcdonalds....
LOL OK.
3 hours is way off too. 40-60kw would need a 120-180kwh battery and no cars exist with batteries that big.
Ha classic
How is it hypocritical?
He means using fuel generator to power up an electric car. But this is in Australia where they dint have the infrastructure and have massive distances. It's fun to point out green leftists and this conundrum, but meh, not the best example
I don’t see how it’s hypocritical if the generator overall uses less fuel than all the cars it powers (if they weren’t electric). Green energy isn’t all or nothing. It’s small improvements over time
I don't. I got an electric car because it was the cheapest quickest car sold at the time and I love horsepower and acceleration
Too slow and I just drive cars I don't want to keep taking them apart
It’s the new math. The Democrat’s math.
It’s also wrong math
I don't believe this generators use 12 gal per hour.. sounds like 🐴💩.
I looked it up. One about that size, even at 70% load, uses only about 2 gal per hour.
And since it's one car at a time, its far less than 70% load.
Realistically it likely uses about ONE yes ONE gal per hour. Likely quite a bit less.
Stop falling for 🐴💩 people.
Converted to standard fuel consumption figures using the lifetime average kWh per kilometre, the BMW i3 came in as the most efficient, recording a fuel consumption rate of 4.392 litres/100km – about the same fuel efficiency as a diesel BMW 3 series.
4.392 L/100km = 53.555 US mpg
https://thedriven.io/2018/12/14/diesel-charge-evs-remote-locations-greener-than-you-think/
This is actually not correct. These chargers take less than an hour to fully charge the car.
Don’t just trust jpegs without sources. Everyone please do your own research before blindly upvoting
https://thedriven.io/2018/12/14/diesel-charge-evs-remote-locations-greener-than-you-think/
As a professional truck driver, I am not swallowing those fuel usage numbers.
The engine of a tractor trailer truck is roughly the same size as that diesel generator, and most of them use less fuel. My truck gets about 6.5 MPG at 70 miles per hour when it weighs 80,000 lbs. The engine in my truck is a 2016 DD15 engine, 12.7L inline 6.
Now, that generator appears to be a two-station charger. Perhaps the fuel usage numbers are accurate if TWO charging vehicles are attached. That would make the effective fuel economy about 11.2 MPG, which is much more in the realm of possibility for modern diesel generators - but I'd still say it seems low.
All that said, diesel charging stations are not meant to be efficient, they are meant to be places outside major electrical supply networks where electric vehicles can be recharged.
Obviously this is not meant to be the primary source for any individual electric car, but stopgap to enable electric cars on long trips inbetween population centers.
I love my plugin hybrid. I can't even remember the last time I had to go to a gas station. I pay $0.0768 per kilowatt-hour to charge at home. My car has a 11.6 kWh battery, so it takes $0.89 to charge my vehicle which takes about 2.5 hours.
My electric range is about 17 miles. Longer in summer, shorter in winter.
So that is about $0.05 per mile, or the equivalent cost of running a gas car that gets 63 miles per gallon at a cost of $3.15 per gallon.
But also, I don't have any wear and tear on the engine for all those electric miles.
Until the battery needs replaced.
Ha, was gonna say the same. Thats what they DONT tell you about those cars. Battery replacement can cost you big time.
Every 8 years or max'd out charge/discharge cycles....for almost the price of a new car!
It's not that simple
Tesla has an 8 year warranty on the pack for degradation to 70%. That doesn't mean you have to replace it after 8 years. That doesn't even mean you have to replace it if it hits 70%, just that your range is lower.
The limit for charge/discharge depends on how fast and how extreme you're (dis)charging the battery. So how are people doing on average? For the model S/X the trendline is above 90% capacity at 150,000 miles.
I'll keep my gasoline car that keeps the same fuel economy and range for 20 years+ thank you.
Yessir! Some people will nelieve anything for feels.
yes and** IF** memory is correct they are not refillable cells, so the landfills get them.
Meh, to be fair, before the Xiden gas prices my 2.5 liter car only cost 10 cents per mile to drive, and it only got 25 mpg... and I have power when I need it and dont have to plug in except every 300 miles at any of the very common gas stations for about 80 seconds...
To be fair, plug in hybrids probably don't make any sense from a financial-only standpoint.
I don't like pumping gas in the rain or snow. I like the smooth power of electric drive. My town has free charging stations all over, and I love getting my battery charged for free while I go out to dinner etc.
It is really just kind of a hobby. But my car has a gas engine too so I never have to wait for a charging station while on a trip.
I didn't get the car to save the planet. The planet is fine. It is just fun.
When is the last time you know someone that scrapped a car because of the wear and tear of a modern engine? I've got a 22 years old truck still going strong at over 300k miles. Try doing the same with your battery in 20 years.
Internal combustion engines are complicated things that need periodic maintenance. Oil changes, spark plug changes, air filter, fuel filter, coolant flushes, transmission fluid changes.
Electric motors have zero maintenance. No filters to change. No oil to change. No transmission to break down. Never ever do they do they have a problem starting up. Unlike my Dodge Dart, which would on occasion embarrass the hell out of me by refusing to start randomly.
Just had to replace the throttle body assembly on wifey's car. Ford dealer said it would be 1.5 months before they could look at it. So I had to do it myself. Pain in the ass.
Electric motors don't have any throttle body.
I've had three vehicles with more than 100k miles. Spend many hours under the hood. I am not a fan of the internal combustion engine.
Wow, you really make it "complicated" when it's not.
Modern cars are more electronically complicated, but mostly much more reliable than their older injection engine counterpart.
Radiator flushes? Lol, it's now every 10+ years. Oil changes got yo 10k miles. You don't do trans flushes anymore.
And see, you replaced the throttle body yourself.
You whine about maintenance, just pay to do the mininal maintenance then, it's much less expensive than a new battery pack, or a new car payment.
That's freedom. Stop shilling for battery cars. It's not for everyone. You EV guys are all the same, forcing it in the throat of everyone. In real life or on the internet.
Why do you have a bug up your butt about the fact that I like my plug-in hybrid?
Why does that bother you? Am I not allowed to like my car?
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Explain to me about anything I said that is forcing anybody.
Seriously. Explain it.
I'll explain: you twist every argument in being combustion engine = all bad and EV = all good. Like your maintenance argument which makes no sense financially.
Maybe you should read my other comments in this post more carefully.
From my previous comment here:
Taking a side in an argument is not 'twisting'.
You have not explained how I am forcing anything down anybody's throat by having an opinion.
Have I demanded that you or anybody else buy electric cars?
Have I insisted that you give up your internal combustion engines?
Or have I simply communicated that I don't like them?
You are acting like a libtard SJW. As if I'm some kind of Nazi because I like my car, and horror of horrors, admitted it in public.
Plug-in hybrids are definitely not for everyone. You will probably never recoup the up-front cost with savings from efficiency. Obviously it would be a poor choice for you, since you would find no enjoyment from running on electricity.
I couldn't give a flying fuck what kind of car you like, so I'm really mystified as to what your problem with me is.
I stand corrected, we get pushed so much up here to "make the switch", I read your message way to fast
electric cars are one of the biggest scams of all time. Try buying one used 10+ years and see the range you get with it.
And then talk about the environmental impacts of mining that insane volume of lithium and rare earth minerals.
Read this before jumping to conclusions from OP’s incorrect image
https://thedriven.io/2018/12/14/diesel-charge-evs-remote-locations-greener-than-you-think/
I am not talking about that generator, and stop reposting the same reply all over, are you shilling for battery cars?
It's about used car market and keeping your car long (10 + years). Those battery pack DO LOSE CAPACITY every year. Use the car or not, they will chemically do, at the rate of 2-3% / year.
Sure, keep the car 10+ year and lose more and more of your freedom of movement with the dimishing range, I'll keep my gas car where I get the same fuel economy after 20 years and 300+ miles of good maintenance.
It's a scam as in the used car market will be crap left-overs with low battery capacity left and people having to renew their cars and payment if they want full capacity
Not that hard to understand
You’re very focused on the used car market, which is fair. But how much would a replacement battery cost on a used electric car? Wouldn’t that give you the better range?
You obviously don't see the full picture.
Replacement batteries are over 10k, if you are lucky. I've seem quotes of over 20k$ canadian in here.
And that is if that battery replacement still is being made 10 years down the road. Ever tried buying an older battery for that lithium-ion drill that doesn't hold a charge long enough anymore? You go back to that hardware store and never find that battery that still fits.
They’re actually around $5-6K, but maybe that’s because you’re in Canada.
You’re also comparing cars to drills.
They are absolutely not 5k. Just for an example, 2 years ago, the 48 volt battery that goes in the back of the driver's seat Hemi Ram 1500 was around 4k$ and is probably around the same price still.
Great that’s not an electric car battery.
A simple search led me to electric car batteries for $6.5K. That’s with barely any effort.
And it’s transported there by a gasoline powered truck probably driven by a patriot who knows we’re living in clown world
Even though the numbers are wrong, that genny would outlast probably 5 battery packs in that car.
Yep, they all expose how little it costs them to go to work using battery cars, but you won't ever have them calculate the car payment they will have to renew to get back to a 100% capacity battery pack (or keep the car with the old battery and diminishing range/freedom of movement)
Yes. And I was referring to just THAT car. That single unit would END the charging cycle life for at least a thousand of those packs
Everyone is arguing about gas mileage. Thats not the point I'm seeing. 3 hours every 200 miles? Fuck that. Time is money. I'm not sitting around for 3 fucking hours to go 200 miles to feel better about whales I'll probably never see.
LOL.... so green.
It is actually. The real numbers are green. OP is wrong and possibly a faggot.
https://thedriven.io/2018/12/14/diesel-charge-evs-remote-locations-greener-than-you-think/
Now tell me how Chinese strip mining with slave labor for the minerals to make the batteries is green...
It’s not, but that’s not what we were talking about.
Slave labor should be abolished. That doesn’t mean that electric cars shouldn’t be developed.
🤡🌎
Dumbass says he will build “500,000” charging stations.
Just another sham. It has been proven that technically advanced auto engines can get over 150 miles per gallon. But this technology has been suppressed for the almighty dollar greed by the oil business. Auto engines have basically been unchanged for the last 90 years if not more.