The Big Bang was a big bang. As in a sound. THE sound, to end and start all sounds.
We're talking vibrations here. Waves have no physical state. Vibrations are preeminent to the physical matter and light from which they travel.
If you want a 100%, single punch gist of what I'm talking about, think about it this way:
When things vibrate fast enough they take on new forms/shapes/aspects/properties. Solid->Water->Gas->Plasma
Vibrations that propagate upon one another shrink and create echos.
Those echoes interact with other, but they get smaller like FM band frequencies. They begin to ride on one another, and they get smaller.
Consider the Universe. It is BIG.
Imagine a big wave form covering the entirety of the Universe. Eventually it wraps back upon itself and creates cross-interference patterns, which produce NEW wave forms, smaller than the original.
Like cutting a block of cheese into smaller and smaller pieces, you get to the point where you have near-infinite blocks, but they get so small you can't see them.
Back to waves, not only do they divide, and so multiply, but they are vibrating faster and faster the more you cut them down. Like I said, when things vibrate they change properties.
So, the Word is the original vibration, which propagates into sound, which propagates into electricity, which propagates into light(photons), which propagates into atoms, which propagates into matter, which propagates into life, which propagates into sentience, which propagates into thought, which propagates into spirit, and then continues beyond what we currently can comprehend. (Working order, some steps may be omitted for brevity.)
I'm reminded of a Bill Hicks joke about if the news reported good things like..."Today a young man on acid realized that matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration..."
Christ, the Incarnation, is the ultimate goal of the Universe. It existed before anything else, as it was the frequency-sum the original vibration was set to.
Any and all things not in attunement with that frequency cause dissonance, discord, and destruction of the vibrations.
Jesus aligned his frequency so perfectly with the original Vibration that he actually proved its preeminence. A self-fulfilling prophecy, if you would. In doing so, he amplified it as to shatter the very nature of existence. Two tone playing the same frequency are additive and increase volume.
When you play a tone at the absolute resonant frequency of, say, a wine glass, it eventually amplifies so much it explodes, correct?
Well, the same thing goes for the Universe. Once Jesus came along, and spoke the Word UPON the Word, it amplified to the point that the Laws of the Universe bend and buckle to it. The amplified Word exceeds the boundaries of the Universe such that it can shatter and reform at the will of the Word.
Faith is the level of attunement we have achieved with the original vibration. Non-quantifiable, because it is always a moving target, outside even the bounds of time, with one exception.
Jesus' faith is so perfectly aligned with the original vibration that if only he say a single Word the Universe would bend without resistance. The bands intersect so perfectly that you cannot tell them apart, and they stay that way permanently, with no wobble.
Interesting.
In the beginning was the word and Christ is the word made flesh.
Entropy is the heat death of everything, a process of disorganisation. It follows that the original word that made us must have been very organised indeed, and this is what physicists have found, Sir Roger Penrose and others.
Coming out of nothing was something so complicated, highly organised and deep that is far beyond our capabilities of comprehension, this came to be instantly out of nowhere and created everything.
This is the word and Christ is the word made flesh,
Imagine you place a drop of water into a large pool.
At first you see the waves, and they bounce and shrink. Smaller and smaller until you can no longer make out the ripple.
To think that the energy has evened out and that is that is now gone, or dead, is inaccurate.
The energy has simply spread and divided/multiplied. That single drop of water's energy will eventually fill the entire body of water. Every wave that exists in the pool of water will eventually be affected by the ripple of the drop. They come into communion, if you will.
But the energy didn't die. It permeated the entire body of water and became one with it. It isn't a settling of energy, it is a merging of energy. They will come into unity and resonate together in harmony, finding the difference between the two and creating something more than, or rather unique to, the sum of its parts.
The Universe functions the same way, but before analogies of matter can touch.
The spreading of the energy is not a disorganization, but rather a celebration much like the prodigal son returning to his father.
For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry. - Luke 15:24
Just as the shores of the sea recede and then again are brought back together with the land, entropy is not a permanent and final end. It is a fleeting and frequent moment of celebration that we once again come together in perfect harmony, ready to go forward once again at the turn of the tide.
So, the Word is the original vibration, which propagates into sound, which propagates into electricity, which propagates into light(photons), which propagates into atoms, which propagates into matter, which propagates into life, which propagates into sentience, which propagates into thought, which propagates into spirit, and then continues beyond what we currently can comprehend. (Working order, some steps may be omitted for brevity.)
Are you suggesting that spirit is caused by events occurring in this temporal universe?
Consider the implications of the quantum observer effect, how the observation of a wave potential of a particle gets condensed to the actual particle when it is observed. Expand that to the universal level, and without an observer the universe COULD NOT exist except as a waveform potential of a universe. (I know I know, many science types do NOT like that interpretation, especially when they do not want to introduce 'god' into the equation of observers).
So, without speaking for the one you asked, I believe it the opposite, the temporal universe is caused by the spirit.
The what counts as "observers" I do find as a worthwhile question; is a sensor acting as an observer, or is it holding some quantum state potentials until an observer comes in to collapse the wave. How about the single celled organisms? They must be observing their own environment, even without the eyes to see.
The cocreation you mention, I like that word, the concept would help explain why the objects in the physical world don't collapse into new positions. If we are talking about a cocreative agreement (way below consciousness).
I've absorbed alot of the woo woo stuff too (what the bleep do we know), but the one that really hit was one called "my big TOE" (theory of everything), which was written by a physicist who had an OBE and then began studying the non-physical that he could no longer deny because of experience.
The universe exists whether we are here to observe it or not. And I do agree that the spirit causes the temporal universe, the other user account can’t give a straight answer on it.
I don't buy into that classical interpretation of quantum physics that tries to explain away those quantum effects as the same as the observer effect (where measuring something has an impact on the something, ie, to get the pressure in a tire needs to release a bit of air to get the measurement meaning the actual pressure is different from what was measured because of releasing some pressure to get the reading).
So, IMO, without observers the universe would exist like Schrodinger's cat, both in a state of existing and not existing simultaneously, or a 'waveform potential' representing every potential configuration of the universe.
As things get smaller and tighter they tend to clump together and become rigid.
The energy wraps upon itself, becoming smaller and smaller and at the same time clumping together to form greater and more complex structures -- including the structures of the mind and eventually the soul.
All energy is connected. And different forms of energy can interact with one another -- surpassing "boundaries" by which we define them and making something more than the original parts.
Consider a heart. One pulse informs the next.
Ba-dump. Ba-dump. Ba-dump.
Ba precedes dump.
If you remove the ba, does the dump know when to sound?
If you remove dump, does ba?
A heart that goes ba-ba-ba is not long for this world.
And so the heart of the Universe beats on, upon the metronome of time, measured by the epochs of the pattern repeating according to the season. A time for planting and a time for harvest. A time for growth and a time for death.
Make no mistake, however, that death is not final. To assume the cycle had a clear and definite start misses the point. Planting is not the start and neither is death the end.
One begets the other in a timeless dance. To solve any paradox, one need only remove the component of time.
So too is the origin of the Universe timeless, because time is a result of the Universe.
Eventually, the energy propagates in such a way that the IDEA of the Universe manifests, which informs its own Creation.
Alpha and Omega. Beginning and End. The Universe Jesus wished for as he died on the cross is the one that existed and begot him, thus achieving perfect harmony of Creation and Creator. At that very moment, everything came into existence. Past that point in time, as well as before it, we each ride on the coat-tails of the echo of God's Word.
the soul lies a result of things occurring in this temporal universe
Not exactly.
The result and the cause are the same thing. The result is the cause and the cause is the result.
Think music.
From where does a song come? Where does it go?
A song is played for an audience. The audience goes home and the song still rings in their heads. They hum it, sing it, and celebrate it, but it isn't actually there anymore. The event happened, the original song has long since been played, but its presence carries on in all who heard it.
Time passes, and the song is forgotten about. It is no longer hummed, sung, or celebrated. Did it ever really exist at all?
Of course it did. Before the musician even laid a single finger on his instrument, before the musician scribbled it down the days prior, and even before the musician himself was born, those combinations of notes played in sequence existed. The musician's passion is to discover them, write them down, and play them.
The musician extended his antenna(his spirit) and translated a Truth we all hear every day but have up until that time had ignored. He bore it, birthed it, tended to it, and celebrated his finding, imparting on the audience the very essence of the song he transcribed.
The audience for which it is played bear witness to the event, and are compelled to stand in testimony before God and the Universe that the song they heard did in fact exist, that the event took place, and that they were moved from what transpired.
But the seed existed before the musician. The musician was the bearer of the child, but the seed came from the Divine Spark of Creation we call God.
And in doing so, the musician fulfilled the prophecy of that song. The song exists because he discovered it. He discovered it because it existed. Had he not discovered the song, it would not have existed.
And I need to stress that.
Had he not discovered the song, the song would not have existed.
To take it even further, the musician exists because the song's existence required him to write it. Had he abdicated his role in writing the song, opting to ignore his passion, can we say he was ever a musician to begin with? His choice, therein, to perform his role was his to make every bit as much as he has agency to create himself.
If he had ignored his calling, then the world would continue to spin, but he would be a different person, and would cease to be as we would know him -- a musician.
To reconstruct the premise, if a musician never writes or plays any songs, is he a musician?
Even more, if the song would never have been played it would never manage to resonate with those who took the song with them and whose lives immeasurably were altered, even if they soon forget how the song went.
Such are the fleeting Joys of life. Such is the Love God shares with us, that we may take part in His Creation as equals under Christ Jesus, and follow Him in His image; in the image of the Creator.
The Big Bang was a big bang. As in a sound. THE sound, to end and start all sounds.
We're talking vibrations here. Waves have no physical state. Vibrations are preeminent to the physical matter and light from which they travel.
If you want a 100%, single punch gist of what I'm talking about, think about it this way:
When things vibrate fast enough they take on new forms/shapes/aspects/properties. Solid->Water->Gas->Plasma
Vibrations that propagate upon one another shrink and create echos.
Those echoes interact with other, but they get smaller like FM band frequencies. They begin to ride on one another, and they get smaller.
Consider the Universe. It is BIG.
Imagine a big wave form covering the entirety of the Universe. Eventually it wraps back upon itself and creates cross-interference patterns, which produce NEW wave forms, smaller than the original.
Like cutting a block of cheese into smaller and smaller pieces, you get to the point where you have near-infinite blocks, but they get so small you can't see them.
Back to waves, not only do they divide, and so multiply, but they are vibrating faster and faster the more you cut them down. Like I said, when things vibrate they change properties.
So, the Word is the original vibration, which propagates into sound, which propagates into electricity, which propagates into light(photons), which propagates into atoms, which propagates into matter, which propagates into life, which propagates into sentience, which propagates into thought, which propagates into spirit, and then continues beyond what we currently can comprehend. (Working order, some steps may be omitted for brevity.)
More soon. That's it for now.
I'm reminded of a Bill Hicks joke about if the news reported good things like..."Today a young man on acid realized that matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration..."
"we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively..."
"there's no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imaginations of ourselves."
Here's Tom with the weather
"So, the Word is the original vibration..."
Brings to mind John 1:1:
"In the beginning was the Word (logos), and the Word was with God and the Word was God."
The Christ = The Word
Absolutely.
Christ, the Incarnation, is the ultimate goal of the Universe. It existed before anything else, as it was the frequency-sum the original vibration was set to.
Any and all things not in attunement with that frequency cause dissonance, discord, and destruction of the vibrations.
Jesus aligned his frequency so perfectly with the original Vibration that he actually proved its preeminence. A self-fulfilling prophecy, if you would. In doing so, he amplified it as to shatter the very nature of existence. Two tone playing the same frequency are additive and increase volume.
When you play a tone at the absolute resonant frequency of, say, a wine glass, it eventually amplifies so much it explodes, correct?
Well, the same thing goes for the Universe. Once Jesus came along, and spoke the Word UPON the Word, it amplified to the point that the Laws of the Universe bend and buckle to it. The amplified Word exceeds the boundaries of the Universe such that it can shatter and reform at the will of the Word.
Faith is the level of attunement we have achieved with the original vibration. Non-quantifiable, because it is always a moving target, outside even the bounds of time, with one exception.
Jesus' faith is so perfectly aligned with the original vibration that if only he say a single Word the Universe would bend without resistance. The bands intersect so perfectly that you cannot tell them apart, and they stay that way permanently, with no wobble.
Beautiful
Interesting. In the beginning was the word and Christ is the word made flesh.
Entropy is the heat death of everything, a process of disorganisation. It follows that the original word that made us must have been very organised indeed, and this is what physicists have found, Sir Roger Penrose and others.
Coming out of nothing was something so complicated, highly organised and deep that is far beyond our capabilities of comprehension, this came to be instantly out of nowhere and created everything.
This is the word and Christ is the word made flesh,
Imagine you place a drop of water into a large pool.
At first you see the waves, and they bounce and shrink. Smaller and smaller until you can no longer make out the ripple.
To think that the energy has evened out and that is that is now gone, or dead, is inaccurate.
The energy has simply spread and divided/multiplied. That single drop of water's energy will eventually fill the entire body of water. Every wave that exists in the pool of water will eventually be affected by the ripple of the drop. They come into communion, if you will.
But the energy didn't die. It permeated the entire body of water and became one with it. It isn't a settling of energy, it is a merging of energy. They will come into unity and resonate together in harmony, finding the difference between the two and creating something more than, or rather unique to, the sum of its parts.
The Universe functions the same way, but before analogies of matter can touch.
The spreading of the energy is not a disorganization, but rather a celebration much like the prodigal son returning to his father.
Just as the shores of the sea recede and then again are brought back together with the land, entropy is not a permanent and final end. It is a fleeting and frequent moment of celebration that we once again come together in perfect harmony, ready to go forward once again at the turn of the tide.
The Word has meaning & knowing, thus in some cultures is called Name or Mind, the Sound is the physical manifestation of the Intent or Thought
Another word for consciousness
Nama
Awwwwwwwwwwwessssssssssssoooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmme.
Are you suggesting that spirit is caused by events occurring in this temporal universe?
Consider the implications of the quantum observer effect, how the observation of a wave potential of a particle gets condensed to the actual particle when it is observed. Expand that to the universal level, and without an observer the universe COULD NOT exist except as a waveform potential of a universe. (I know I know, many science types do NOT like that interpretation, especially when they do not want to introduce 'god' into the equation of observers).
So, without speaking for the one you asked, I believe it the opposite, the temporal universe is caused by the spirit.
Interesting thought!
That brings the question to the one or ones doing the observing and the power levels of observing.
But also the manifesting power through frequency and vibration.
And lastly, perhaps the interaction between the two andere the several participants in the events ( co-creation)
The what counts as "observers" I do find as a worthwhile question; is a sensor acting as an observer, or is it holding some quantum state potentials until an observer comes in to collapse the wave. How about the single celled organisms? They must be observing their own environment, even without the eyes to see.
The cocreation you mention, I like that word, the concept would help explain why the objects in the physical world don't collapse into new positions. If we are talking about a cocreative agreement (way below consciousness).
I've absorbed alot of the woo woo stuff too (what the bleep do we know), but the one that really hit was one called "my big TOE" (theory of everything), which was written by a physicist who had an OBE and then began studying the non-physical that he could no longer deny because of experience.
The universe exists whether we are here to observe it or not. And I do agree that the spirit causes the temporal universe, the other user account can’t give a straight answer on it.
A waveform potential OF a temporal universe.
I don't buy into that classical interpretation of quantum physics that tries to explain away those quantum effects as the same as the observer effect (where measuring something has an impact on the something, ie, to get the pressure in a tire needs to release a bit of air to get the measurement meaning the actual pressure is different from what was measured because of releasing some pressure to get the reading).
So, IMO, without observers the universe would exist like Schrodinger's cat, both in a state of existing and not existing simultaneously, or a 'waveform potential' representing every potential configuration of the universe.
It is a fractal.
As things get smaller and tighter they tend to clump together and become rigid.
The energy wraps upon itself, becoming smaller and smaller and at the same time clumping together to form greater and more complex structures -- including the structures of the mind and eventually the soul.
All energy is connected. And different forms of energy can interact with one another -- surpassing "boundaries" by which we define them and making something more than the original parts.
Consider a heart. One pulse informs the next.
Ba-dump. Ba-dump. Ba-dump.
Ba precedes dump.
If you remove the ba, does the dump know when to sound?
If you remove dump, does ba?
A heart that goes ba-ba-ba is not long for this world.
And so the heart of the Universe beats on, upon the metronome of time, measured by the epochs of the pattern repeating according to the season. A time for planting and a time for harvest. A time for growth and a time for death.
Make no mistake, however, that death is not final. To assume the cycle had a clear and definite start misses the point. Planting is not the start and neither is death the end.
One begets the other in a timeless dance. To solve any paradox, one need only remove the component of time.
So too is the origin of the Universe timeless, because time is a result of the Universe.
Eventually, the energy propagates in such a way that the IDEA of the Universe manifests, which informs its own Creation.
Alpha and Omega. Beginning and End. The Universe Jesus wished for as he died on the cross is the one that existed and begot him, thus achieving perfect harmony of Creation and Creator. At that very moment, everything came into existence. Past that point in time, as well as before it, we each ride on the coat-tails of the echo of God's Word.
I see.
So you are still suggesting that spirit and therefor the soul lies a result of things occurring in this temporal universe?
Death is not final of course, but do I understand you correctly that the spirit of one who dies exists because of energy in this temporal universe?
Not exactly.
The result and the cause are the same thing. The result is the cause and the cause is the result.
Think music.
From where does a song come? Where does it go?
A song is played for an audience. The audience goes home and the song still rings in their heads. They hum it, sing it, and celebrate it, but it isn't actually there anymore. The event happened, the original song has long since been played, but its presence carries on in all who heard it.
Time passes, and the song is forgotten about. It is no longer hummed, sung, or celebrated. Did it ever really exist at all?
Of course it did. Before the musician even laid a single finger on his instrument, before the musician scribbled it down the days prior, and even before the musician himself was born, those combinations of notes played in sequence existed. The musician's passion is to discover them, write them down, and play them.
The musician extended his antenna(his spirit) and translated a Truth we all hear every day but have up until that time had ignored. He bore it, birthed it, tended to it, and celebrated his finding, imparting on the audience the very essence of the song he transcribed.
The audience for which it is played bear witness to the event, and are compelled to stand in testimony before God and the Universe that the song they heard did in fact exist, that the event took place, and that they were moved from what transpired.
But the seed existed before the musician. The musician was the bearer of the child, but the seed came from the Divine Spark of Creation we call God.
And in doing so, the musician fulfilled the prophecy of that song. The song exists because he discovered it. He discovered it because it existed. Had he not discovered the song, it would not have existed.
And I need to stress that.
Had he not discovered the song, the song would not have existed.
To take it even further, the musician exists because the song's existence required him to write it. Had he abdicated his role in writing the song, opting to ignore his passion, can we say he was ever a musician to begin with? His choice, therein, to perform his role was his to make every bit as much as he has agency to create himself.
If he had ignored his calling, then the world would continue to spin, but he would be a different person, and would cease to be as we would know him -- a musician.
To reconstruct the premise, if a musician never writes or plays any songs, is he a musician?
Even more, if the song would never have been played it would never manage to resonate with those who took the song with them and whose lives immeasurably were altered, even if they soon forget how the song went.
Such are the fleeting Joys of life. Such is the Love God shares with us, that we may take part in His Creation as equals under Christ Jesus, and follow Him in His image; in the image of the Creator.