This is what you do:
Ask yourself: "Have i seen the world from space with my own two eyes directly, and not eyes and not via any other means (video/pictures)?"
If your answer is "no" then you can say "I only know what i have been told about it, i have not seen it myself, so i can't really say for certian, but if i were to go by <flat earther> it would be flat, and if i go by <globe earther> it would be a globe. I will reserve my decision until i can see it for myself, but i know what both sides say"
If you answer "yes" then you know how it is, and if anyone gives you grief just throw your hands up and say "well, it looks like you'll have to just see it for yourself with your own two eyes then"
There are a few things that you can observe that indicate a globe:
Time of the day is the same for everyone in your longitude
The peak angle of the sun is the same for everyone in your latitude
You can see all of the stars at night from the equator, but as you move toward the poles the amount of stars that you can see diminishes gradually to 50% visible at the poles.
When a ship departs the harbor, the lower section appears to drop beneath the horizon before the upper section
Solar eclipses are only visible in certain areas, but lunar eclipses are visible across the entire night side of the Earth
I'm on the fence. But I'll bite since no one tried.
Unsure. But a common flat earth model is built of a hyperboloid torus field that radiates following longitude
Latitude is just the same distance from the center of the north pole. Like a circle drawn with a compass. It makes sense the sun would have the same peak angle?
I'm not sure to be honest. But the equator is a location centered between north pole and south outskirts as stars rotate overhead. There's simply too much atmosphere for us to see across the plane (from the south to the north). Farthest things also disappear into the horizon
"Ships disappear from the bottom". This is an element of perspective. All things disappear towards the horizon / vanishing point. We can see the top of a ship because of the angle. There are TONS of clips where a powerful telescope can bring that ship into view.
Haven't looked into it sorry. My counter question would be A) How do Selenelion Eclipses work (just refraction?)? The sun and the moon can be seen in the sky, and there's some where the shadow emerges from the TOP of the moon (should be the bottom)? Also what about all the amateur astronomers who have reported seeing stars THROUGH the moon (plasma?)?
My questions for the globe model to explain.
Where is the curvature of the earth, measured over water (land has varying elevations, water finds its level)?
We should have 8 inches of curvature over a mile squared. Yet we don't see that drop. Telescopes bring ships miles away back into view when they should be "over the horizon". Suez canal is 200 miles long and is built without accommodation of a curve
The sun, why can we see divergent rays? Flat earthers argue this points to a local sun. Globe earth model is the sun is 93 million miles away, so we get parallel rays. Some would say "refraction" for the divergent rays, but then why don't we see crossing rays? Parallel rays should hit earth at every inch of earth
How haven't the constellations changed in thousands of years? Pyramids of Giza are lined up with Orions belt. The Georgia Guidestones perfectly show the north star. Spinning earth, around sun, as solar system moves through milky way, as milky way moves through the universe, with stars of varying distances away. And why don't the stars move through the sky in a random, winding path?
How do you have a vacuum next to atmosphere? Physics tells us pressure should equalize. If this "container" or van allen belt is that strong it can contain atmosphere, how did we pass through it?
Please spend one hour and watch this short documentary, then come back and debunk flat earth. Your arguments aren't very good arguments and I'd hate for you to look like a fool. If you really want to engage people it's very important to understand what they believe and why. It will be well worth your time and you might formulate some better arguments. https://rumble.com/vi4xo3-level-2021-flat-earth-documentary-hd.html
I know the truth...you know what you have been taught to believe..if you don't care enough to formulate a decent argument, then that's on you my friend. I have no problem shaking the sand off my sandals and moving on. Have a wonderful day!
That's true, but it's not relevant as to why time is the same for everyone at your longitude.
The sun rises in the East, peaks at approximately noon, and sets in the West. Every point directly North or South of you experiences the sun peaking at the same moment in time. This also means that everyone in longitudes further East or further West of you experiences it at a different time, and people halfway around the world from you experience it 12-hours offset from when you do.
This is easily explained with a globe. But not so with a flat Earth.
Every one of these kindergarten level happenings have been proven to work only on a flat earth. But you retarded numpties will never put the research in to learn. Your indoctrination is compete. You are a tool.
I'm not advocating for one side or the other and as I've said before, I don't really care to have a rigid belief until I do more research (so I just lean towards globe for now). I just don't really know that belief for or against a particular model has any bearing on my life at this point.
In saying that, can't you appreciate that it doesn't help when you come right out with insults and ad-hominem? I just don't see the value in it and in fact there are some pretty obvious downsides to acting so hostile.
Polaris happens to be located at a point that aligns with the North pole if the North pole were to be extended many light-years from the surface of the Earth.
There are stars in nearly all directions. Is it so hard to believe that one would align with the axis of the earth?
Btw, Sigma Octantis is the star aligned with the South pole.
This is what you do: Ask yourself: "Have i seen the world from space with my own two eyes directly, and not eyes and not via any other means (video/pictures)?"
My big problem with flat earth people is they all say ice wall this and Antarctica that..... but they haven't seen any of that either. It literally breaks their own logic that they preach so loudly about seeing stuff for yourself.
Frankly, I want to see some actual commercial space travel just to end this BS once and for all.
Personally it doesn't matter to me. I've almost always been a fence rider on the weird things, saves you from committing until you have the full picture.
That's because fuel is a conspiracy theory. Anything with a fuel gauge is in on it. If it moves to empty, it shuts down the engines and you don't move until you pay for more fuel.
The planes that fly from south America to south Africa get an exemption from this, plus are allowed to fly faster to keep the illusion of a round planet going.
Does that seem like a good way to explain it, or do I need more training :-)?
(I don't believe a word I wrote of course ... Just to be clear)
you people get so hung up on that. You should try harder to understand the english language and the scientific one.
Theory just means the working concept that is accepted by people who apply it to science. As soon as something comes along that contradicts that working theory, the theory changes. This means you can and often do have the 100% correct answer and still refer to it as a "theory" because science is about questioning everything and using accepted science to test other theories. when things don't work, you go back and figure out why.
what you call "the theory of gravity" is the only thing that explains gravity.
the only other possible explanation for your weak lame bullshit is if this magical flying pizza of yours was moving at a constant 1G acceleration...
to put that in perspective, in less than 1 year of constant 1G acceleration you'll have traveled half a light year. it's a pretty easy to figure out curve of speed over time.
Which means by now, just in your lifetime, this plate full of people you claim we all live on is traveling at millions of lightyears per second.
I am no flat earther, but there sir you are 100% correct,
It always bugged me that noone bothers to put a camera in space and take a literal photograph of the earth.
Its always Composites for some reason..
Do you realize how big the planet is with respect to any spacecraft up there and how far away you'd have to be to get a picture that wouldn't require stitching of multiple pictures together?
True, but there's a lot of reports of children being raped, and probably a good chance a doctor or peace officer can still take samples to prove it. As for people in space, it's a very very small # of people: ~500? of 7 billion.
no worries anon, i know what you're going through. I've been doing this for 30 years, and I'm right on the middle line with this issue and staying there until i can get past low earth orbit and see it for myself, or, until moon flights become a regular thing, and lots of people start going up there, taking pictures about 50-100km away to get a good single shot of it all. The problem now is that those 500 or so people aren't regulars.. and have an authority ruling over them, which is not much different from the people a few months ago saying "We have audited it and there was no fraud in the 2020 election".
This is what you do: Ask yourself: "Have i seen the world from space with my own two eyes directly, and not eyes and not via any other means (video/pictures)?"
If your answer is "no" then you can say "I only know what i have been told about it, i have not seen it myself, so i can't really say for certian, but if i were to go by <flat earther> it would be flat, and if i go by <globe earther> it would be a globe. I will reserve my decision until i can see it for myself, but i know what both sides say"
If you answer "yes" then you know how it is, and if anyone gives you grief just throw your hands up and say "well, it looks like you'll have to just see it for yourself with your own two eyes then"
There are a few things that you can observe that indicate a globe:
I'm on the fence. But I'll bite since no one tried.
My questions for the globe model to explain.
We should have 8 inches of curvature over a mile squared. Yet we don't see that drop. Telescopes bring ships miles away back into view when they should be "over the horizon". Suez canal is 200 miles long and is built without accommodation of a curve
The sun, why can we see divergent rays? Flat earthers argue this points to a local sun. Globe earth model is the sun is 93 million miles away, so we get parallel rays. Some would say "refraction" for the divergent rays, but then why don't we see crossing rays? Parallel rays should hit earth at every inch of earth
How haven't the constellations changed in thousands of years? Pyramids of Giza are lined up with Orions belt. The Georgia Guidestones perfectly show the north star. Spinning earth, around sun, as solar system moves through milky way, as milky way moves through the universe, with stars of varying distances away. And why don't the stars move through the sky in a random, winding path?
How do you have a vacuum next to atmosphere? Physics tells us pressure should equalize. If this "container" or van allen belt is that strong it can contain atmosphere, how did we pass through it?
You've defined Latitude.
Longitude is your angular distance from an imaginary line that connects the North and South Poles through Greenwich, England.
Thank you
I'm on the fence too but number 3 makes me baffled as well
Please spend one hour and watch this short documentary, then come back and debunk flat earth. Your arguments aren't very good arguments and I'd hate for you to look like a fool. If you really want to engage people it's very important to understand what they believe and why. It will be well worth your time and you might formulate some better arguments. https://rumble.com/vi4xo3-level-2021-flat-earth-documentary-hd.html
No thanks.
I'm not going to spend an hour watching a video that you say will prove your point.
If you want to say I'm wrong, please explain how I'm wrong in the reply box.
I know the truth...you know what you have been taught to believe..if you don't care enough to formulate a decent argument, then that's on you my friend. I have no problem shaking the sand off my sandals and moving on. Have a wonderful day!
Time is a social construct. The reason it’s the same time of day for others at your longitude is because people took a flat map and drew some lines.
That's true, but it's not relevant as to why time is the same for everyone at your longitude.
The sun rises in the East, peaks at approximately noon, and sets in the West. Every point directly North or South of you experiences the sun peaking at the same moment in time. This also means that everyone in longitudes further East or further West of you experiences it at a different time, and people halfway around the world from you experience it 12-hours offset from when you do.
This is easily explained with a globe. But not so with a flat Earth.
Every one of these kindergarten level happenings have been proven to work only on a flat earth. But you retarded numpties will never put the research in to learn. Your indoctrination is compete. You are a tool.
so then refute each point without calling people "kindergarten retards"...
bet you can't...
we'll wait.
I'm not advocating for one side or the other and as I've said before, I don't really care to have a rigid belief until I do more research (so I just lean towards globe for now). I just don't really know that belief for or against a particular model has any bearing on my life at this point.
In saying that, can't you appreciate that it doesn't help when you come right out with insults and ad-hominem? I just don't see the value in it and in fact there are some pretty obvious downsides to acting so hostile.
Eh, don't give up that easily...they still have hope.
Polaris happens to be located at a point that aligns with the North pole if the North pole were to be extended many light-years from the surface of the Earth.
There are stars in nearly all directions. Is it so hard to believe that one would align with the axis of the earth?
Btw, Sigma Octantis is the star aligned with the South pole.
Perhaps Polaris moves in the same line with the Earth's tilt?
Not true. Polaris is only one of a long line of pole stars
My big problem with flat earth people is they all say ice wall this and Antarctica that..... but they haven't seen any of that either. It literally breaks their own logic that they preach so loudly about seeing stuff for yourself.
Frankly, I want to see some actual commercial space travel just to end this BS once and for all.
Personally it doesn't matter to me. I've almost always been a fence rider on the weird things, saves you from committing until you have the full picture.
The big problem with flat earth is gravity.
in order for their retarded bullshit to be true the magical flying pizza would need constant 1G acceleration through space.
so just in your lifetime, even if it started accelerating when you were born, we'd be going millions of lightyears per second by now.
there's also that big problem of why doesn't the flight from south america to south africa take a week with multiple mid air refuelings.
That's because fuel is a conspiracy theory. Anything with a fuel gauge is in on it. If it moves to empty, it shuts down the engines and you don't move until you pay for more fuel.
The planes that fly from south America to south Africa get an exemption from this, plus are allowed to fly faster to keep the illusion of a round planet going.
Does that seem like a good way to explain it, or do I need more training :-)?
(I don't believe a word I wrote of course ... Just to be clear)
Well in most threads i would say that your sarcasm was loud and clear but in this thread it was a tad more difficult.
Gravity has never been proven. There’s a reason they call it a theory—and flat earth theory is just as strong as gravity theory.
LOL
you people get so hung up on that. You should try harder to understand the english language and the scientific one.
Theory just means the working concept that is accepted by people who apply it to science. As soon as something comes along that contradicts that working theory, the theory changes. This means you can and often do have the 100% correct answer and still refer to it as a "theory" because science is about questioning everything and using accepted science to test other theories. when things don't work, you go back and figure out why.
what you call "the theory of gravity" is the only thing that explains gravity.
the only other possible explanation for your weak lame bullshit is if this magical flying pizza of yours was moving at a constant 1G acceleration...
to put that in perspective, in less than 1 year of constant 1G acceleration you'll have traveled half a light year. it's a pretty easy to figure out curve of speed over time.
Which means by now, just in your lifetime, this plate full of people you claim we all live on is traveling at millions of lightyears per second.
thats retarded.
fucking magnets, how do they work.
I mean you are free to think that.
I just sincerely hope you focus more on other things especially when trying to wake up other people. Stuff like COVID and audits, current events, etc.
Of course i do why do u think i am here? been following Q since day 1
I am no flat earther, but there sir you are 100% correct, It always bugged me that noone bothers to put a camera in space and take a literal photograph of the earth. Its always Composites for some reason..
Do you realize how big the planet is with respect to any spacecraft up there and how far away you'd have to be to get a picture that wouldn't require stitching of multiple pictures together?
Wow..I see A LOT of downvotes..yet no rational arguments. How telling.
True, but there's a lot of reports of children being raped, and probably a good chance a doctor or peace officer can still take samples to prove it. As for people in space, it's a very very small # of people: ~500? of 7 billion.
no worries anon, i know what you're going through. I've been doing this for 30 years, and I'm right on the middle line with this issue and staying there until i can get past low earth orbit and see it for myself, or, until moon flights become a regular thing, and lots of people start going up there, taking pictures about 50-100km away to get a good single shot of it all. The problem now is that those 500 or so people aren't regulars.. and have an authority ruling over them, which is not much different from the people a few months ago saying "We have audited it and there was no fraud in the 2020 election".