Yes, I believe it will 100%. It actually happened a few years ago in Cali. Fyi…There are 3 main grids in the US: Eastern interconnect, Western interconnect and the Texas grid. There are redundancies and contingencies in place. We also monitor solar activity 24/7 and have a plan in place for that.
What we haven’t planned for entirely is an EMP. Some utilities are safe guarded, some are not. The lead time on a substation transformer is 12-18 months.
If an EMP were to detonate over the US, yes I believe that’s possible - wide scale damage in a well coordinated attack and you’re talking upwards of 10 years worst case. They’d have to know precisely where to hit though, and that information is usually safeguarded.
History Channel had a good documentary a few years ago on this topic that was fairly accurate. I think it was called “Life without people” or something to that effect
Looks like a missile designed to trigger an EMP from 250+ miles up over northern central Kansas should manage to burn out the grid in 95+% of the CONUS.
That’s equally fascinating and terrifying. According to that document, a 300mi detonation could take out most of North America. I will say many utilities have been implementing “hardening” techniques that supposedly safeguard against EMPs.
Something going off like that article mentions is essentially one big ass lightning strike that covers an entire continent. Same with solar flares an EMP would overload most non-protected electrical circuits
Yes it takes a ton (actually TONS) of copper and steel to build a single substation transformer. If there’s a wide scale attack that fries their internal components, it definitely will take years to rebuild the grid.
Being black hats and enemies within would be the ones to do it, they’ll probably have a good idea of the grid layout. I don’t think we’ll see worst case scenario if it does happen, but certain areas would see extended outages. Our family is prepped for at least 60 days, that’s what I believe the average outage time would be whether natural or made made black out
Regarding EMP, have you read the William Forstchen book "One Second After?" If so, what are your thoughts on the scenario described in that book? I found the book to be credible and chilling.
I live in a very rural area with electricity provided by an electric coop. Assuming it's not a major EMP attack, are rural areas as likely to be impacted as anywhere else, or does area of the country make any difference in continuity of service?
IMO, yes being rural will help. Generation and transmission are the ones to watch. If a blackout is on a major scale, almost everyone will be effected. The grid relies on the spinning inertia of generators on the grid, once the grid takes a hit and a big generator goes offline suddenly, and then another and another, you lose that inertia and that particular interconnect is subject to blackout. There are protective relays that can help but idk exactly what kind of capabilities the DS and other enemies have
I’m not too sure how well planes would fare in an EMP detonation or massive solar flare. They have proofing installed but I’m not sure what it’s rated to withstand
Yeah I thought there was some sort of protection against emps but I didn't know how big it was.
This would be some interesting signs to dig into I was just looking at faraday cages the other day.
An EMP not only affects the power grid that would kill off an awful lot of people I remember they went after president Trump with the dronr and trying to send an EMP after him, bodyguard died I believe that was in Scotland.
Told my wife, hey there is a good thread of GAW with a power grid expert. She's like cool, what's his name? Apperently it's Uncontrollable Queef, I said. She's goes, yah that makes sense, I'll look it up.
Lmao! Haven’t had the heart to share this handle with my better half yet. Wasn’t sure if I’d stick around here 2 years ago when first testing the Q waters, then I went down a rabbit hole u/Norman_F_Dixon sent me and I was hooked!
I can do my best! But I don’t have much experience with DC generation and transmission, it’s just not something I’ve had a chance to come across yet. Just a brief rundown of what I know: High voltage DC transmission requires some really cool specialized equipment, some of which is still new technology, and this can offset some of the more advantageous aspects compared to AC. I can’t remember if it’s Siemens or ABB that came out with a 1,000,000VDC transformer but the thing is an engineering feat, just an absolute unit.
How it Works: Electricity comes from a generator run by fossil fuels, natural gas, steam, water, or nuclear at 13-25kV. It’s then stepped up to transmission voltages. Distribution voltages are typically under 40kV. Transmission is considered above 40kV and can go up to >1MV (1,000,000 volts). Then it comes into a substation and is stepped back down to distribution voltage, <40kV. From there it goes onto the poles and to a pole mounted or pad mounted transformer, where it’s yet again stepped down, this time to usable residential and commercial voltages usually between 240-480V.
How it’s applied: 120/240V will be in most homes. 120V are most of your wall plugs. Larger appliances like HVAC and dryer will run off 240V.
Commercially you’ll see anything from 120V-480V - that’s for large industrial equipment (pumps, motors, etc.) There’s some specialized oddball voltages out there but this is a general guide of what you’ll see
MIGHTY QUEEF! This is EXACTLY what I'm seeking! THANK YOU for going to this trouble and so very graciously. You also have given me keys to branch off into my own research. I still have MUCH to learn! What fun!
Now that we have tunnel-boring machines, no high-voltage x-mission lines should ever again be strung across the landscape (ripe for storms and an EMP). AND, I'm thinking that all high-voltage x-mission (and down to distribution level) should be DC. HAH HAH! Now, all I have to do is convince the rest of the industry. LOL! But you have SOLD me! THANKS, AGAIN! GBY & your loved ones! Working/ learning/ sharing/ studying/ researching/ praying/ struggling together, WE MAGA!
The big X class flairs are a problem. Lots of energy moving close to speed of light. A bigger problem is the relatively slow moving CME. Moving at a snails pace 5/1000 the speed of light, a mere 3 million miles pr. hour, a bubble of really hot shit...like welding slag, aka "fire and brimstone". The only proofing for that is to get missed.
We monitor solar activity around the clock and have remedial plans in place to prevent widespread permanent damage.
But something like that event I’d still expect fairly substantial outages. I always recommend at least 6 week plan in the event of a blackout but have 60days+ myself on-hand
This is very informative and I thank you for being here and taking questions. (2 of mine were already asked) Also, am I the only one that thinks your name is funny? Just saying...
Thanks! I’ve been wanting to contribute something to this site somewhat Q related…it takes a talented group of autists to do what they do. I really do believe white hats are in control, and the collateral damage will be minimized. Just wouldn’t be surprised at all to see an attempt on our grid and infrastructure before this is all over. We’re as prepared as we can be for it.
Idr where that name came from. Not ideal, just don’t wanna be a handshake again. I was around here in 2019 and forgot my login, then the uncontrollable one was born 🙃
Lol we're all anons here so I wouldn't worry about it. Thanks for the thread. Really informative for something most people are completely ignorant about.
Depends on how big of an event it is. Let’s say if it’s something massive towards the east coast then it can potentially be isolated so the other 2/3s of the country remains up and running.
Would this push us to implementing Nicolai's free power?
Realistically, if there were severe damage, it would be ludicrous to spend a ludicrous amount of money on such a dilapidated system might as well go to something new. Constant outages, constant maintenance, constant constants. Where will it end?!
I would love to see that technology revealed! In all the rabbit holes I’ve gone down, the subject of Tesla is most fascinating to me, especially Wardenclyffe tower. Who knows what’s been kept hidden from us
Lol I buy more stock in Tesla! But in all seriousness I don’t think we have the capacity for a full scale EV cutover yet, not with the push against fossil fuels. The precious green energy, ie solar and wind, combined with the Obama era war on coal, almost put Texas in the dark this past winter.
I do think Q was giving us a heads up of what’s to come on this subject. It’ll surely affect comms too, but I believe there will still be pockets of both up and running even in one of the worse case scenarios. Honestly now that these questions are being asked, major comms blackout seems most likely to happen along with targeted electricity blackouts. Of course I have no knowledge of any plan, just a deep understanding of electric grid operations
In all seriousness. Given current output and the state of the grid in places.
Do any transmission lines even have the capacity to handle the electric swap over. Or are we looking at 50 years before the grid could be beefed up to actually handle the EV issue?
The way I was looking it is was we are closer to them mandating all EV no fosile, and everyone loses their AC.
Or we are lookking at nuke plants being built coast to.coast. And new transmission lines.
You’re exactly right - The transmission lines don’t have the capacity yet. We’re playing catch-up right now spending billions every year just in my area to relieve the prior year’s congestion. Pretty much been chasing our tail for the last 10 years.
Wind farms aren’t reliable nor is solar for the amount of money that goes into building one. Nuclear is feasible in terms of capacity but the regulations, money, and sheer man-power it takes to bring one online is monumental.
They can mandate all they want but I don’t think we’re physically capable of handling it. Just speculation but I’d say we’re 15 years minimum if it’s a gradual cutover and if grid infrastructure spending is maxed. Which means higher power bills. Hopefully there won’t be mandates though
I haven’t seen it done like that but it’s an interesting idea for sure. Wiring and most electronics would still be exposed so I’m not sure how effective it would be. There’s the shielded cable route but that gets very expensive doing a whole business or home.
As to your question about Trump, not sure if it was his EO but grid infrastructure spending increased 2x-3x over what it was with Barry 0. Could be the EO or just the economy being better overall.
Thanks OP for shedding some light on this topic. Doing a little more research I came across this info that I thought was interesting and will post below for others to read.
Geomagnetic Induced Currents (GIC) can cause transformers to be driven into half-cycle saturation where the core of the transformer is magnetically saturated on alternate half cycles. A few amperes are needed to disrupt transformer operation. A GIC level-induced voltage of 1 to 2 volts per kilometer and 5 amperes in neutral of the high-voltage windings is sufficient to drive grounded wye-connected distribution transformers into saturation in a second or less.[i] During geomagnetic storms, GIC currents as high as 184 amperes have been measured in the United States in the neutral leg of transformers.[f] The largest GIC measured thus far was 270 amperes during a geomagnetic storm in Southern Sweden on April 6, 2000.
“If transformer half-cycle saturation is allowed to continue, stray flux can enter the transformer structural tank member and current windings. Localized hot spots can develop quickly inside the transformer’s tank as temperatures rise hundreds of degrees within a few minutes.[k] Temperature spikes as high as 750°F have been measured. As transformers switch 60 times per second between saturated and unsaturated, the normal hum of a transformer becomes a raucous, cracking whine. Regions of opposed magnetism as big as a fist in the core steel plates crash about and vibrate 100-ton transformers, which are nearly the size of a small house. This punishment can go on for hours for the duration of the geomagnetic storm. GIC‑induced saturation can also cause excessive gas evolution within transformers. Besides outright failure, the evidence of distress is increased gas content in transformer oil, especially those gases generated by decomposition of cellulose, vibration of the transformer tank and core, and increased noise levels of the transformers (noise level increases of 80 dB have been observed).i GIC transformer damage is progressive in nature. Accumulated overheating damage results in shortening transformer winding insulation lifespan eventually leading to premature failure.
“In addition to problems in the transformer, half-cycle saturation causes the transformer to draw a large exciting current which has a fundamental frequency component that lags the supply voltage by 90 degrees and leads to the transformer becoming an unexpected inductive load on the system. This results in harmonic distortions and added loads due to reactive power or Volt-Ampere Reactive (VAR) demands. This results in both a reduction in the electrical system voltage and the overloading of long transmission tie-lines. In addition, harmonics can cause protective relays to operate improperly and shunt capacitor banks to overload. The conditions can lead to major power failures.”[b]
Do you think the Grid will be attacked?
Yes, I believe it will 100%. It actually happened a few years ago in Cali. Fyi…There are 3 main grids in the US: Eastern interconnect, Western interconnect and the Texas grid. There are redundancies and contingencies in place. We also monitor solar activity 24/7 and have a plan in place for that.
What we haven’t planned for entirely is an EMP. Some utilities are safe guarded, some are not. The lead time on a substation transformer is 12-18 months.
So are you saying it's possible we will be down 12 to 18 months?
If an EMP were to detonate over the US, yes I believe that’s possible - wide scale damage in a well coordinated attack and you’re talking upwards of 10 years worst case. They’d have to know precisely where to hit though, and that information is usually safeguarded.
History Channel had a good documentary a few years ago on this topic that was fairly accurate. I think it was called “Life without people” or something to that effect
Looks like a missile designed to trigger an EMP from 250+ miles up over northern central Kansas should manage to burn out the grid in 95+% of the CONUS.
https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/files/Ebomb.pdf
That’s equally fascinating and terrifying. According to that document, a 300mi detonation could take out most of North America. I will say many utilities have been implementing “hardening” techniques that supposedly safeguard against EMPs.
Something going off like that article mentions is essentially one big ass lightning strike that covers an entire continent. Same with solar flares an EMP would overload most non-protected electrical circuits
Is it that hard to come up with a back up if something like that was to happen?
Yes it takes a ton (actually TONS) of copper and steel to build a single substation transformer. If there’s a wide scale attack that fries their internal components, it definitely will take years to rebuild the grid.
Being black hats and enemies within would be the ones to do it, they’ll probably have a good idea of the grid layout. I don’t think we’ll see worst case scenario if it does happen, but certain areas would see extended outages. Our family is prepped for at least 60 days, that’s what I believe the average outage time would be whether natural or made made black out
Good to know. I have about 60 days of dried food. So thanks for the info!
No worries china builds the transformers now.
Regarding EMP, have you read the William Forstchen book "One Second After?" If so, what are your thoughts on the scenario described in that book? I found the book to be credible and chilling.
I haven’t read that yet but I saw it mentioned on a post here yesterday and was wanting to check it out! Glad you mentioned that
If you have a quick synopsis maybe I could provide a more specific answer
I live in a very rural area with electricity provided by an electric coop. Assuming it's not a major EMP attack, are rural areas as likely to be impacted as anywhere else, or does area of the country make any difference in continuity of service?
IMO, yes being rural will help. Generation and transmission are the ones to watch. If a blackout is on a major scale, almost everyone will be effected. The grid relies on the spinning inertia of generators on the grid, once the grid takes a hit and a big generator goes offline suddenly, and then another and another, you lose that inertia and that particular interconnect is subject to blackout. There are protective relays that can help but idk exactly what kind of capabilities the DS and other enemies have
Thank you.
That picture was taken in West Texas, amirite? Hwy 90 West toward Del Rio?
If an actual solar flare did decide to strike would that mean all our satellites are toast?
If so, looking into the night sky to see the flashing blue/red can be an ezpz debunk with tangible proof!
I’m not sure on satellites, sorry! I’ve read they’re protected but a powerful/concentrated enough burst of energy would knock some offline
Is it possible for planes to create some sort of faraday fields to help prevent emp attacks?
I’m not too sure how well planes would fare in an EMP detonation or massive solar flare. They have proofing installed but I’m not sure what it’s rated to withstand
Yeah I thought there was some sort of protection against emps but I didn't know how big it was.
This would be some interesting signs to dig into I was just looking at faraday cages the other day. An EMP not only affects the power grid that would kill off an awful lot of people I remember they went after president Trump with the dronr and trying to send an EMP after him, bodyguard died I believe that was in Scotland.
Told my wife, hey there is a good thread of GAW with a power grid expert. She's like cool, what's his name? Apperently it's Uncontrollable Queef, I said. She's goes, yah that makes sense, I'll look it up.
Lmao! Haven’t had the heart to share this handle with my better half yet. Wasn’t sure if I’d stick around here 2 years ago when first testing the Q waters, then I went down a rabbit hole u/Norman_F_Dixon sent me and I was hooked!
Can you talk to us at all about DC power generation and buried (high-voltage) DC transmission lines?
Can you educate us regarding levels of voltages (utilization / distribution/ transmission) and at what voltage each level begins?
I can do my best! But I don’t have much experience with DC generation and transmission, it’s just not something I’ve had a chance to come across yet. Just a brief rundown of what I know: High voltage DC transmission requires some really cool specialized equipment, some of which is still new technology, and this can offset some of the more advantageous aspects compared to AC. I can’t remember if it’s Siemens or ABB that came out with a 1,000,000VDC transformer but the thing is an engineering feat, just an absolute unit.
How it Works: Electricity comes from a generator run by fossil fuels, natural gas, steam, water, or nuclear at 13-25kV. It’s then stepped up to transmission voltages. Distribution voltages are typically under 40kV. Transmission is considered above 40kV and can go up to >1MV (1,000,000 volts). Then it comes into a substation and is stepped back down to distribution voltage, <40kV. From there it goes onto the poles and to a pole mounted or pad mounted transformer, where it’s yet again stepped down, this time to usable residential and commercial voltages usually between 240-480V.
How it’s applied: 120/240V will be in most homes. 120V are most of your wall plugs. Larger appliances like HVAC and dryer will run off 240V.
Commercially you’ll see anything from 120V-480V - that’s for large industrial equipment (pumps, motors, etc.) There’s some specialized oddball voltages out there but this is a general guide of what you’ll see
MIGHTY QUEEF! This is EXACTLY what I'm seeking! THANK YOU for going to this trouble and so very graciously. You also have given me keys to branch off into my own research. I still have MUCH to learn! What fun!
Now that we have tunnel-boring machines, no high-voltage x-mission lines should ever again be strung across the landscape (ripe for storms and an EMP). AND, I'm thinking that all high-voltage x-mission (and down to distribution level) should be DC. HAH HAH! Now, all I have to do is convince the rest of the industry. LOL! But you have SOLD me! THANKS, AGAIN! GBY & your loved ones! Working/ learning/ sharing/ studying/ researching/ praying/ struggling together, WE MAGA!
If we were to experience another Carrington Event, how do you think we would fare?
The big X class flairs are a problem. Lots of energy moving close to speed of light. A bigger problem is the relatively slow moving CME. Moving at a snails pace 5/1000 the speed of light, a mere 3 million miles pr. hour, a bubble of really hot shit...like welding slag, aka "fire and brimstone". The only proofing for that is to get missed.
We monitor solar activity around the clock and have remedial plans in place to prevent widespread permanent damage.
But something like that event I’d still expect fairly substantial outages. I always recommend at least 6 week plan in the event of a blackout but have 60days+ myself on-hand
This is very informative and I thank you for being here and taking questions. (2 of mine were already asked) Also, am I the only one that thinks your name is funny? Just saying...
Thanks! I’ve been wanting to contribute something to this site somewhat Q related…it takes a talented group of autists to do what they do. I really do believe white hats are in control, and the collateral damage will be minimized. Just wouldn’t be surprised at all to see an attempt on our grid and infrastructure before this is all over. We’re as prepared as we can be for it.
Idr where that name came from. Not ideal, just don’t wanna be a handshake again. I was around here in 2019 and forgot my login, then the uncontrollable one was born 🙃
Lol we're all anons here so I wouldn't worry about it. Thanks for the thread. Really informative for something most people are completely ignorant about.
:)
Would the entire country go dark as once or just portions?
Edit: typo
Depends on how big of an event it is. Let’s say if it’s something massive towards the east coast then it can potentially be isolated so the other 2/3s of the country remains up and running.
Would this push us to implementing Nicolai's free power?
Realistically, if there were severe damage, it would be ludicrous to spend a ludicrous amount of money on such a dilapidated system might as well go to something new. Constant outages, constant maintenance, constant constants. Where will it end?!
I would love to see that technology revealed! In all the rabbit holes I’ve gone down, the subject of Tesla is most fascinating to me, especially Wardenclyffe tower. Who knows what’s been kept hidden from us
Where have I heard that before?
Spicolli
I brlieve Trump signed an EO to harden the grid. Do you know to what extent this may have been implemented?
What happens when 100 million americans all go home in the evening and plug in an electric car?
Lol I buy more stock in Tesla! But in all seriousness I don’t think we have the capacity for a full scale EV cutover yet, not with the push against fossil fuels. The precious green energy, ie solar and wind, combined with the Obama era war on coal, almost put Texas in the dark this past winter.
I do think Q was giving us a heads up of what’s to come on this subject. It’ll surely affect comms too, but I believe there will still be pockets of both up and running even in one of the worse case scenarios. Honestly now that these questions are being asked, major comms blackout seems most likely to happen along with targeted electricity blackouts. Of course I have no knowledge of any plan, just a deep understanding of electric grid operations
In all seriousness. Given current output and the state of the grid in places.
Do any transmission lines even have the capacity to handle the electric swap over. Or are we looking at 50 years before the grid could be beefed up to actually handle the EV issue?
The way I was looking it is was we are closer to them mandating all EV no fosile, and everyone loses their AC.
Or we are lookking at nuke plants being built coast to.coast. And new transmission lines.
You’re exactly right - The transmission lines don’t have the capacity yet. We’re playing catch-up right now spending billions every year just in my area to relieve the prior year’s congestion. Pretty much been chasing our tail for the last 10 years.
Wind farms aren’t reliable nor is solar for the amount of money that goes into building one. Nuclear is feasible in terms of capacity but the regulations, money, and sheer man-power it takes to bring one online is monumental.
They can mandate all they want but I don’t think we’re physically capable of handling it. Just speculation but I’d say we’re 15 years minimum if it’s a gradual cutover and if grid infrastructure spending is maxed. Which means higher power bills. Hopefully there won’t be mandates though
Something wonderful the next morning when we go and start our fossil fuel cars!
Is there any benefit you are aware of to hardening ones home or business against emp at the main breaker panel?
I haven’t seen it done like that but it’s an interesting idea for sure. Wiring and most electronics would still be exposed so I’m not sure how effective it would be. There’s the shielded cable route but that gets very expensive doing a whole business or home.
As to your question about Trump, not sure if it was his EO but grid infrastructure spending increased 2x-3x over what it was with Barry 0. Could be the EO or just the economy being better overall.
Both are great questions
Thanks OP for shedding some light on this topic. Doing a little more research I came across this info that I thought was interesting and will post below for others to read.
Geomagnetic Induced Currents (GIC) can cause transformers to be driven into half-cycle saturation where the core of the transformer is magnetically saturated on alternate half cycles. A few amperes are needed to disrupt transformer operation. A GIC level-induced voltage of 1 to 2 volts per kilometer and 5 amperes in neutral of the high-voltage windings is sufficient to drive grounded wye-connected distribution transformers into saturation in a second or less.[i] During geomagnetic storms, GIC currents as high as 184 amperes have been measured in the United States in the neutral leg of transformers.[f] The largest GIC measured thus far was 270 amperes during a geomagnetic storm in Southern Sweden on April 6, 2000.
“If transformer half-cycle saturation is allowed to continue, stray flux can enter the transformer structural tank member and current windings. Localized hot spots can develop quickly inside the transformer’s tank as temperatures rise hundreds of degrees within a few minutes.[k] Temperature spikes as high as 750°F have been measured. As transformers switch 60 times per second between saturated and unsaturated, the normal hum of a transformer becomes a raucous, cracking whine. Regions of opposed magnetism as big as a fist in the core steel plates crash about and vibrate 100-ton transformers, which are nearly the size of a small house. This punishment can go on for hours for the duration of the geomagnetic storm. GIC‑induced saturation can also cause excessive gas evolution within transformers. Besides outright failure, the evidence of distress is increased gas content in transformer oil, especially those gases generated by decomposition of cellulose, vibration of the transformer tank and core, and increased noise levels of the transformers (noise level increases of 80 dB have been observed).i GIC transformer damage is progressive in nature. Accumulated overheating damage results in shortening transformer winding insulation lifespan eventually leading to premature failure.
“In addition to problems in the transformer, half-cycle saturation causes the transformer to draw a large exciting current which has a fundamental frequency component that lags the supply voltage by 90 degrees and leads to the transformer becoming an unexpected inductive load on the system. This results in harmonic distortions and added loads due to reactive power or Volt-Ampere Reactive (VAR) demands. This results in both a reduction in the electrical system voltage and the overloading of long transmission tie-lines. In addition, harmonics can cause protective relays to operate improperly and shunt capacitor banks to overload. The conditions can lead to major power failures.”[b]