EDIT: post title should write 60 days not 30
I have a vested interested in Canada as my wife is Canadian and her parents live in Ontario. I also believe Canada is a tinder box and their governments ties with China is remarkable.
Some really interesting (Israel interesting) numbers coming out of there.
"Provincial data show 99.5 per cent of all COVID-19 ICU admissions from mid-June to mid-July were in unvaccinated or partially vaccinated people, and nearly 96 per cent of related deaths were in the same group."
Aug 4th Ontario jab stats aged 12+ -
83% one dose.
71.4% two doses
Sep 5th 2021 https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ontario-reports-811-new-covid-19-infections-three-new-virus-related/
"Health Minister Christine Elliott says 643 of the most recent infections are in people who are not fully vaccinated or whose vaccination status isn’t known. She says 266 people are hospitalized with the virus, only 32 of whom are fully immunized."
notice now they use " only 32 of whom..." compared to "99%+...." a month ago
Sep 5th Ontario jab stats aged 12+-
84% one dose
77% two doses
The math is reflecting Israel and Iceland to the letter.
In only 2.5-3 months they went from have 99%+ of people in ICU and hospital unvaxxed with less than 1% vaxxed to 12% while the only discernible rise in jabs was the second dose (3 month increase in second dose uptake ~8% increase)
Yesterday they had 944 "cases". 651 no jab OR one dose (clever way of collecting data) and a whopping 208 fully jabbed plus 85 unknown (strange)
Over the last month they had a 1% increase in first dose jabs and ~7% for second dose.
Now, the argument can be made that as the total jabbed number has gone up, the total unjabbed number in hospital has remained steady. Naturally, one would think that this is clear evidence that the rate of unjabbed hitting hospital grows. However, like the CDC, they don't count people as fully immunized until the 15th day post shot. This leaves everyone in that 14 day window as an "unvaccianted" incident.
Another interesting note. They now have more double dosed people in hospital than single dosed even though they have a higher number of single dosed residents.
Current numbers:
ICU-
102 no jab
7 single dose
12 double dose
Hospitalized-
146 no jab
16 one dose
32 double dosed
For whatever reason, they have 2x the amount of people in hospital with two doses even though they have 7% more single dose vs double dose.
TLDR; The percentage of fully jabbed has exploded 1100% in a 60 day span in Ontario, Canada. Even though percentage of second dose jabs has increase by ~7% over the same period. They now have 2x more double dosed people in hospital vs single dose even though they have more single dosed residents.
They are moving the exact same way that Israel, Iceland, Hawaii, UK and every other country in the world is moving. The Storm is coming.
None of this garbage data provided by governments and these articles takes into account the toll on people's emotional state and physical well being. Obesity is linked to a 113% increase in covid hospitalizations, 48% increase in death and 74% increase in ICU admissions. https://www.science.org/news/2020/09/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young
They are leaving out so much data it's unbelievable. What I've posted here doesn't even begin to go into data they are purposely leaving out.
Are we seeing ADE? They blame covid but it's actually just the vaccines themselves making some sick and killing others?
an 1100% increase and THAT is simply what the government is WILLING to put out. Remember, they don't count it as fully dosed OR single dosed IF you happen to hit the hospital or die within 14 days of your second dose. We don't even know wtf the first dose is doing. They count you as simply unvaxxed.
These numbers also do not included 3rd doses. With that said this is exactly what happened in Israel, is happening in Iceland and everywhere else. Literally everywhere else.
This not counting as vaxxed within 14 days is dumb. Or intentional as it is hiding all the people having bad reactions to it.
Very convenient
They only act stupid or incompetent when they get caught, They know EXACTLY what they're doing.
Could be the beginning of it, but it could take time to fully develop into maximum affect. I know the Nobel winning French virologist (name escapes me at the moment) said he expects full effects of ADE to become apparent within two years.
We know the nasal viral loads are at least equal between vaxxed and unvaxxed. If they go higher in vaxxed then that's pretty much the smoking gun, although blood levels would be more reliable than nasal levels. Just takes the first group of researchers to find the balls to take blood samples and publish the data. We already have one Japanese study showing ADE in the lab (in cell cultures, I think?) with one of the Delta offshoot variants.
His name is Luc Montagnier, probably the most untouchable scientist in today's barbaric post-scientific world.
We really fucked up their plans.
Too many Americans not vaccinated. The ADE was meant to be masked behind the cover of “breakthrough” variants. Which is what we are seeing in Israel and Canada.
They are going to really have to fuck with the data to hide what is coming. I’m guessing that they call anyone that isn’t up to the magic booster number unvaccinated. That will buy them some time.
Thanks for the detailed analysis. I am here in Ontario. Who knows how the reporting on this will go - there was such an emphasis on pointing out that the unvaxxed are the ones in hospital, that I think the initial impression is what will stay with everyone - if things start to look really bad for the vaxxed they will either stop reporting stats on vaxxed vs unvaxxed OR they will start heavily promoting the 3rd dose. I feel like I am in a nightmare I cannot wake up from. Everything is becoming more and more surreal,,majority of people are moving around as if nothing unusual is happening - completely detached from the angst that those of us who are unvaxxed are feeling because of the passport and all the hate and loss of friends etc. It is as if 2 worlds/ timeliness are going on at once.
Forget about your friends who you "lost". You gained clarity. If they left you abandoned cause of this, they were never your friends. Understand there are still millions of you left in Canada. You aren't alone. 10s of millions down here. Billions globally.
The governments are fucking up. Believe it. When, not if, they nullify the first two doses and threaten passport cut off over 3rd, expect many of your Canadians to wake up.
I agree with the friends part - very hurtful as it feels like a profound betrayal - were we ever really friends? Already spoke about multiple doses to maintain vaxx status and they are fully onboard. As my ex-best friend said - I will take everyone one of those shots if that’s what it takes to get out of this pandemic - it is our duty. There is no reasoning - everything is driven by emotion. This is the part I don’t understand - how can we ever heal from this? I guess I just need to be patient - I still believe this dark path will end - that is why I am here.
Be patient. We are already seeing the numbers flip. It's happening in your own backyard now. It's going to get crazy for a little while and you need to find some people in your life that think like you. Also, forget about trying to red pill the dummies. They've already turned on you don't think they don't already consider you a threat to their safety and "greater good"
First it was announced as one shot, then it was said you needed two. Now they are pushing a third. Ask your friend why they would take a 3rd, 4th or n-th shot, when none of the previous worked?
I live in Ontario as well - they skew the data like you'd never believe.
I keep warning vaccinated people that unless they get their boosters, they will be considered not fully vaccinated, and will be lumped into the unvaccinated group. Bye bye passport status. The majority of vaccinated people I talk to are completely against the boosters - so this will be very interesting to see the outrage when this happens.
I wonder about the boosters - I imagine young people are against, but not so much the older crowd. I was standing in line at the grocery store and 2 older gentleman are having a conversation behind me... First one says “I can’t wait to get my 3rd shot” - “Same here” is the reply. But then one says “I sure which they could get to the bottom of how all this started”. LOL Also, the conditioning is that it is no different than getting the flu shot.
I'd like to see any government post the terminal /non-terminal and chronically ill status of patients in ICU/hospitalized and deaths.
It would destroy the narrative immediately. The number of terminal patients they must count as "unvaccinated" must be astronomical considering the vast majority of ICU and hospitalized have been from nursing homes.
Seeing the same thing, we were at a family bbq last night, the vaxxed are not as positive about their decision as a month ago. All said they are not interested in the booster. In fact 2 people didn't attend, one has pneumonia, and the other a bad cold, both fully vaccinated. I couldn't help but point that out, as being interesting.
We will see more of this. They are getting sicker and sicker
They think it worked, but faded somewhat over time and new variants need to addressed.
I vote we make KimJung-Un (ours, I mean, and not the NK fat toad) the official GA.win Canada Editor. He is on top of that sad situation like poutine on fries (or whatever the heck that slop is that they eat up there).
Thanks for the diligence, KJU!
haha thanks! There was pede in here who mentioned a Q post where he wrote "Watch CA" and attributed that to possibly being Canada and not California. And since my wifes family is Canadian, it just sparked my interest. I really wasn't paying attention to Canada at all up until a few days ago when I read that comment and it just triggered.
Whatever is going on up there, it is wild.
Ha! That pede was me! I was suggesting it could, perhaps, be both.
But I'm a native Californian, so I remain optimistic about my once-glorious, now-depraved state... however after you posted the other day about how both candidates in Canada support a totalitarian va😵 passport, damn, it's more like "Watch CA(nada) go to hell." So sad. Although I'll still continue to pray for truth and sanity to eventually trickle up to America's Hat.
(And regardless, just how spicy and prescient was that, many years ago, to drop the "Watch CA"... and now have formerly-unscheduled elections just happen to come up in both CAlifornia and CAnada right about now, in this very specific time that seems so strongly to be approaching zero hour. Seems like yet another surreally strong qall by our mysterious Internet friend. 😁 Watch CA, indeed!)
Yes! This is indeed pretty incredible.
Dammjit, now I want poutine
There used to be a place down here in the land Kemp betrayed that served duck poutine, and I miss it dearly.
One more thing, however small, on the ever growing list of what [they] took from us.
I may go look up how difficult it is to make my own duck poutine...
Sorry.
I shouldn't have mentioned it.
I evidently made you hungry... and myself queasy. 🤢
lol!
This is a health minister saying this. She would know that the 'vaccine' doesn't immunize. Why use wrong terminology to begin with unless you're purposefully muddying the waters.
But yes, of course fully jabbed will test positive more than others - their bodies now produce the virus to confer antibodies, supposedly. Why aren't they taking that into account?
Agreed. A vaccine that lowers symptoms but as time goes on not at all lol
I appreciate the thought out attempt at making sense of the stats, but there are too many stats they are keeping from us and the stats that are being provided can’t be trusted so no conclusions are definitive, not to mention flipping stats around and changing ways of counting mid-stream.
Anecdotal is still the only thing we can go on if we trust the person with the first-hand knowledge.
Friend was released from hospital about 3 weeks ago. She was “diagnosed” with what they call covid-19 pneumonia and didn’t get a bed for several days. She said people with same symptoms were talking and saying, “I just got the 2nd dose in April” or “I just got the 2nd dose in May”. Many others saying “Me too. Why am I getting so sick?” She concluded most waiting in ER were jabbed with 2nd dose in the April-May time frame.
That's exactly the point of this post. With their own data it's showing a clear trend. That doesn't even count the hiding, the manipulation and the lack of proper data collection.
You're really a trooper to wade through that.
The very thought of someone with two shots being somehow counted as unvaccinated makes me just flat out ignore the whole set.
I don't have the CDC site where they describe how they count hospitalized and cases, deaths etc but another pede posted it here a few days ago. Canada counts the same way. I suspect it's universal
I appreciate that. The sad part is that the questions I ask and data I require is basic. There's nothing complicated about it. HS level questioning lol
The science is settled. Ivermectin= Horse paste. Vaxx= Horse piss.
Deaths too low to make any inference. 7-day average is 17. You wouldn't know that from the hysteria, though. Apparently Alberta will be wiped out by the end of Labor Day weekend.
I couldn't find any death reports on jab status.
Dead
https://img-haarets-co-il.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/AW/s/img.haarets.co.il/img/1.10121813/2309058088.jpg?precrop=695,520,x52,y26&width=800&height=600
What is your take on take on this?
Can't see what it is.
Both those links are for the same article, what am I missing?
Sorry I posted the right one. Copy past must have not taken last night.
better link; read the article and then comment
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-this-covid-ward-reveals-what-is-killing-israelis-1.10180328
How is that a better article? It's mostly emotional drivel from doctors and a terrible graph that shows nothing but total numbers. Show me the detailed data on just who the "unvaccinated with severe cases" are.
I see this type of bullshit all the time with people like you trying to convince others that the vaccine works.
What you're missing and can't provide is details on those cases.
How many of those people in hospital are:
chronically ill
Terminal and unjabbed (for obvious reasons)
Nursing home residents
repeat patients
preexisting conditions
the % of people who missed screening due to lock downs, developed illness and were hospitalized within that "unvaccinated severe cases". <<-- This is probably one the of most important factors idiots neglect
The growth in obesity over the lock down which increases your chances of dying by 48%, hospitalized by 113% and admitted to ICU by 74%
https://www.science.org/news/2020/09/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young
There is so much data missing in that garbage article and you obviously missed the entire point of my post. I'm using their own data to show a trend. You're using aggregate nonsense to prove that the vaccines work.
You haven't proven anything. The lack of data is universal.
What you've attempted to do is "Look! It's showing numbers without context and an emotional plea!"
Try again
RrrrrrreeeeeeerrrrReverrrrrend...!
WWG1WGA
First off, I said better link, not better article. If you were paying attention to the article, you’d see the graph was embedded in the article.
***The point was the trend is clear that unvaccinated are ending up in the ICU at much higher rates.
***This is happening EVERYWHERE.
***Did you just ask me to prove the mRNA vaccine works? Hilarious. The burden to prove it worked has been accomplished, now we also have empirical evidence on top of clinical data. This just shows me how amateur you are, placing the burden to prove the vaccine works while actually ignoring data that exists. The burden lies on you who denies that it works, not me or anyone else.
So while you float the idea of rejecting garbage data, after asking to see more data (which in itself is a conundrum) I’d like to point out that bad data is when people parrot factoids that vaccinated severe hospital cases are up 1100%. Because you see, when I inspect that data, it’s always LOW numbers. For example 2 severe vax people have Covid in March, now let’s say for example that number is 22 cases. That’s 1100%. Ring the fire alarm the vax is killing people! Right? That’s your logic, am I right? Of course let’s ignore the VOLUME of severe cases of unvaccinated, right? If a child needs an ICU bed, and it has been occupied by someone unvaccinated - while there is room today, in 4 months how should we solve that moral dilemma if there is no room? Should we treat you instead of another, simply because you refused facts?
I think that should be in the hospital’s rights if it gets to that point, as I also simultaneously believe that it’s our rights to choose a vaccine, I don’t believe in passports or tyranny. I walked into a sushi/ramen place and was refused service for not wearing a mask. I was angry about that, even though I’m fully vaccinated. I do believe we should see things start to go back to normal as the numbers go down. But unfortunately, they are trending the wrong way. 2 people I know in my ext ended family were hospitalized w Covid, I didn’t ask if they were vaccinated) but if i were a betting man...
That data is everywhere. Even in red states w conservative doctors, people will say but they’re all “bought by big pharma”, right? Did you know polio vaccine virtually helped eliminate child leukemia. Do you know that not everything is a lie?
Let’s obfuscate the fact that the vaccine has kept millions upon millions of people with comorbidities and other conditions either symptom free or at least out of the hospital. This is not debatable.
And while I respect your desire to be a maverick, and obfuscate all facts that don’t fit your narrative, I am also entitled to my professional opinion.
You managed to write a bunch of bullshit and avoid every point I asked you to write about lmao. You're terrible at this.
I'll explain this to you in a way even your emotionally charged mind will understand.
You didn't "inspect" anything and that is clear so let me break it down for you.
The numbers I provided are official government stats. They show a trend DESPITE a lack of transparent data. You seem to have a problem with understanding this basic issue.
You also don't understand rate and ratio and that's why you went on this emotional tirade.
I pointed to clear issues in my post. I kept emotions out of it. The issues are a lack of data on just what is happening.
The problem is the lack of data on exactly what you mentioned, the volume.
There is no data to suggest the jab works. The onus is on you to provide the transparent data that includes all the details I asked for which ignored entirely.
You see, unlike you I don't simply look at total numbers and come to a retarded conclusion. I need to see everything and when everything isn't provided to me, I ask why.
The volume doesn't matter to any statistician worth a penny. What matters is what's going on within the number.
Example:
1100 ICU patients Stats we get: age, vaccinated status Stats we don't get: terminal/non-terminal status, preexisting conditions, whether or not they are obese, whether or not they are repeat, if theyve been vaccinated and fall within the 14 day period they are counted as unvaccinated, residence status (government nursing home, private nursing home or private residence)
When you have the above data, you can make a conclusion on just what the danger is to general society.
But of course, you don't like data, numbers are too hard for you and you're controlled by your emotions.
I even went out of my way to post a study from sciencemag showing just how your odds favor if you are obese. A stat governments do not display, especially to a fat nation like us.
There is no evidence the vaccine is kept millions out of anything. The data from this year where mass vaccines have been administered is showing there is a higher rate of death and ICU than last year. I don't know what numbers you're looking at.
Now I'll make it even easier for you. If you can find the data that pulls out of the total number:
The vaccinated within the 14 days they count as unvaccinated who ended up dead or in hospital, their details including age, residence status, obesity status, preexisting conditions, terminal status etc, I'll debate you again.
Now I find it comical that you got jabbed and are desperately trying to negotiate with yourself and others that It works.
Comically, you'll need a third, fourth and nth or be cut off from society and even then I suspect you'll defend it.
Next time come with the numbers. Otherwise do yourself and everyone else here a favor and STFU.
Listen, I may have been harsh mate, and for that I do apologize. I definitely included some emotion in the argument for which you rightly called me out.
But, Mr rocket man (pun intended) I fear you are not seeing the simplest of all solutions. While it’s difficult to get the data you seek, we actually have the data and much more data for statistical analysis. The lying main stream media does not give us all the facts, and nor does The Who or cdc.
It seems to me, a simple solution is to look at the states in the US that are having extremely low death rates, aren’t they all states with higher vaccinations? My point is I believe the vaccine works and it was approved under EUA for the purpose of profits- time will tell whether it is more or less efficacious than conventional cheaper drugs.
Is this a perfect medicine, hell no. I’m actually starting to be very impressed with the now over 60 studies done on ivermectin.
But in my view, the vaccine is a major cog in a machinery of solutions. In the end the benefit was greater than risk... the US approaching 700K deaths, that would easily be 1-2 Million people without the vaccines. Kill rate is higher for elderly and obese but it still kills adults
Time will tell if long term affects of vaccines are harmful but I think it is not a population culling device, I refuse to believe that- simply because it’s inefficient and wouldn’t poison or nuclear weapons be better... or maybe energy directed weaponry. I dunno. I think Trump was in a bind w chinas release of the bioweapon. This attack was their contingency plan should globalists be challenged in any form (the outsider- Trump).
Evil exists and so does greed, but we must not mirror the tyrannical fools that try to rule over us. We should be kind to those that are vaccinated and not wish them harm, and unvaccinated alike, regardless of the libtards and authoritarian idiots who have censored HCQ and ivermectin, have done much harm in our political divide - those that have hidden the truth about medications- for profit- just because they act a evil doesn’t mean we patriots must do the same and fight one another.
No worries, fren. The problem with your way of viewing the numbers is that you're missing a whole bunch of variables.
For example to make the claim that instead of 700k deaths it would be 2m you would need data that the government is simply not providing. The gov labels anyone who dies or is hospitalized within the 14 day window after second jab as non jabbed. That Immediately skews the numbers.
They don't release the number of repeat patients in ICU/hospitalized. They don't release terminal/non-terminal data and considering the vast majority of deaths are elderly from nursing homes who have multiple comorbidities, it becomes impossible to make the claim that the jab is doing any saving at all.
In fact, since I posted that post, Ontario now has DOUBLE the amount of people in ICU who are two dose vs one dose even though there are MORE one dosers.
You for whatever reason believe the government on this issue but call them crooks otherwise. Wake up. And if you're going to try and prove a point using numbers, understand how numbers actually work.
Find me the data that subtracts every single 14 day window jabbed death/ICU/hospitalization, terminal patients not due to covid, and all the labelled as covid deaths because they were tested positive within a 14 day window prior to death and then let's talk about data.
The issue is you'll never be able to because it doesn't exist and it doesn't exist because it's easier to prey on and fool gullible people like you than it is being honest.
“■ Unvaccinated eight times more likely to experience severe COVID
■ Israel's 20% unvaccinated account for half of serious cases”
From haaretz article