I like to talk to people around the world. One of my best friends is a young lady from Bangladesh that I met because she wanted to practice English despite my insistence that I speak Jersey and not English 😜
In any case yesterday I was hopping between rooms in a voice chat app and stumbled upon some brits. I was a little shitfaced so I was talking for hours on end and befriended a cool dude. We had mutual respect for each other as we tackled every topic under the sun, but I specifically avoided talking vaxx and covid.
But as soon as it came up and he asked my opinion I told him it's a load of shit used to justify overreach and the reason I had to cancel my UK trip last year. I had a big plan to rent a home and invite all of my international friends to have a fucking banger of a party. I chose UK because:
A. It's relatively neutral of a destination for the friends I was inviting that were Scandinavian, German, Dutch, etc.
And B. I wanted to prove that the way brits have sway in my parts just due to their accent, I was going to prove that I could make Jersey the equivalent to them that they are to here.
But then the question came up. And I answered honesty. He said he's double vaxxed and he's ok so why cant I think of others instead of myself. Well, this guy, lol, i told him if vaxx makes symptoms less severe, he's likely spreading the virus around even more instead of staying home and that I have 0 reason to get an experimental treatment with no animal trials and no third phase trials over something that has a 99.97% survivability rate.
Normally he'd apologize if i was going to talk and he'd interrupt. But i watched him as he complained, cut me off, tried to pressure with "oh come on...." and "mate you're smarter than this."
The whole convo he was being so careful and apologetic to interrupt but any time i tried to respond with my stance it's like he didnt want to hear it and used that cutting me off as a reinforcement for his position until I had to get a bit belligerent just so I could speak for myself, and then he used that belligerence as a justification for his beliefs.
Hours of conversation and friendship went to the gutter over this shit and I watched him go from a friendly interacter to literally cutting me off, denigrating me, pressuring me using social tactics, etc.
I never wanted to say, "LISTEN, you asked a question and I'm answering your fucking question but don't ask something if you're going to avoid hearing my answer."
The vaxx is the ultimate divisive topic. He kept saying i was just trying to be rebellious and had no basis to say or think what I do. I did my best to be courteous and patient, but at some point, you gotta show me the respect I show you.
Idk, just wanted to share as it's been on my mind and I'm still kickin'
Today people need confirmation bias, and tend to listen only to those people who have made the same choices as they have. It's some kind of social need for validation... few people will walk the path of the warrior or even the path of the lone thinker. It's probably easier for introverts to be lone wolves and think for themselves than it is for gregarious extroverts, who thrive on the approval of others.
They injected themselves with the mystery fluid so they have to defend the mystery fluid now. He isn’t going to be able to function if he believes he is now poisoned so he will fight that argument no matter what. Rationality isn’t important, facts aren’t important, all that matters is he leaves the conversation feeling that he isn’t poisoned.
Right, but I don't walk away :P
I did.
Realistically, you cannot expect vaxxed people to support your opinion. In order to do so, they would have to acknowledge they could conceivably have made a life-threatening error in judgement. Which is a terrifying realization to have. Unless they have not had dose 2 yet. And if they have had more, or boosters, then pray it is true that in fact there is a cure which will be administered after disclosure of ALL. Let your indignance be replaced with compassionate gratitude that you are not in his position.
Well said, exactly!!
He knows it’s casual in death. He wants both you and himself to die. It’s that simple. He doesn’t give a fuck about cutting you off.
I’ll give you a tip. Don’t argue about the vaccine. It’s too boring. You will learn way more if you go wayyyyy deeper. Ask them deep metaphysical questions about the nature of reality, whether humans are good or evil, whether the purpose of life is happiness, whatever the hell you think of. You will get a glimpse into their mind that will be so revealing.
Let me give you an example. Last convo, I found out my ex friend beloved he could have stopped Covid in 2 weeks if he was in charge, and he’s no concerned about tyranny because he knows he’ll survive due to his savvy survival skills. They are insane at the deepest levels, you see?
Sorry, losing a friendship over this crap really sucks and sadly he should have just said well I disagree with you but respect you so therefore I respect your opinion. But as we know they have made the vaxed like some kind of Hero's and are also making them Vax police now. Like it's their duty to rid the world of the unvaccinated by shaming them to get the Vax or just deleting them from society. I can tell it bothered you losing this buddy and I am sorry for that. Perhaps when he sees the light ( as one day it will be known) he will have the decency , if still alive to apologize to you.
It's best to just use obtuse humor and mockery instead of logic. Especially this late into the game. I would say something along the lines of "if everyone just keeps getting their bi monthly boosters then we can get back to normal by 2025."
And then feign ignorance when questioned. Like "idk I heard Fauci say something about needing boosters to be fully vaxxed." And then you have that article ready to go. Pretend to be as barely informed as they are and stick with appeals to emotion and expertise (their narrative approved experts). Logic won't work.
Great point!
Vaxxed people don't want to hear they have been duped and are at risk. Turns their world upside down to think they have been lied to and betrayed. We've done all we can to warn and to advise about supplements etc. You can lead a horse to water...
Fuck him- he’s a tyrannical asshole
Thing is, there are many like him. Able to discuss any topic including abortion and religion respectfully, but once covid/vaxx came up, it was on another level.
We have the BBC and the Guardian here. It's wall to wall gaslighting and it can take all but the very strongest minds. The UK is one of the cabal strongholds and has the very best mind control.
Yes, this is the ultimate wedge issue. It's separating good from evil.
I know plenty of good people who've taken the vax, but they don't think it should be forced or mandated.
Fear. Fear of what might happen to them makes them need to have you in the same boat. But you are a pure blood now. They don't even know about that. they cannot donate blood any more, or maybe I'm wrong on that for the moment. Things will be changing, and THEY will be getting disabled or dead. They are secretly terrified they did the wrong thing. They did. They will find out soon enough. And, it isn't your fault. You probably tried to stop some of them. They chose. The wrong thing.
That's how cultists operate.
He was actually cool with my stances on religion and abortion, despite being an atheist.
He wasn't that cool. There are cool people here in the UK.
Met my first proper 4 chan anon the other day on the school run.
He looked really delighted.
Good point