I think many parents struggle with the concept that at some point their children will become adults. Adults that can make their own choices.
The sad part is, that if half of what is suggested on this forum is true... once she gets that jab, she's not the same person and possibly can't be trusted.
I've observed that all the vaxxed people I know have become rather sketchy. The longer this goes on, the less they are the person they were before the shot.
That sketchy behavior is because they are unsure of their decision they made with the injections. They are being bombarded with gas lighting and misinformation that is contradictory.
In that malaise they lose a sense of their centered self and what they stand for. Once a person reaches that point they become very pliable and vulnerable from external voices.
The best you can do is provide a grounded voice and assist in putting them back on track by building up their self confidence.
The experimental jabs are not just a physical disability that could last a life time, or even worse. The experimental jabs put people's mental state in doubt about their own health. Psychological warfare on such mass scale coming from "trusted sources" like mass media, medical community, political leaders, etc.
Im with ya. I HAD to get it due to a un-avoidable surgery. I was extremely hesitant at first, but gave in due to the pain level I was in pre-op. Ultimately I went with JNJ since it’s not MRNA……regardless, I and most every person I know are vaxxed and 100% of us are fine. No one is having side effects and no one is dying. Every time I bring this up on GA I hear “just wait till next month”. First it was dead in 30 days, then 60, then 90, now it’s 6 months to a year. A prediction is either correct or its incorrect, it’s that simple. We don’t get to move the goal posts constantly.
With all that said I am still 100% pro choice. Mandates are garbage and should be illegal. Long term we will see, the whole vaxx thing could be a giant nothing-burger or I could be a dead man walking. All I know is I am not going to waste my time thinking and worrying about it.
So I weighed these exact pros/cons before proceeding and determined I legit would rather die than continued living with the amount of chronic pain I was in. When you need OxyContin just to be able to get out of bed, that’s not living. I am now 90 days or so post-op, nearly off all opiate pain meds besides breakthrough, and feel the best I have felt in years. Don’t judge chronic pain you haven’t lived through, it’s impossible to comprehend the vast effects it has on your life.
I know I'm in a minority here, but I've had both Pfizer shots, and everyone I know has had it (family and friends). Not one person has experienced any issues, and no one is acting 'sketchy'. No one is second-guessing their decision. My g/f is scheduled for the booster next week. Everyone is grateful they got it, and is taking full advantage of the benefits. A good friend of mine is over 80 years old and just flew to London (from US) on vacation. After that she's off to Paris, then on a river cruise on the Rhone (all requiring the vax). Where I live, you need vax proof to enter restaurants and we are eating out all the time. So it's not an issue for me or anyone I know. If it's good enough for Trump, it's good enough for me.
I hear a lot of people use this logic. Everyone who took the vaccine is fine so whats the problem? Does that feel like a logical way to think? Not worry about whether the vaccines are actually effective at all or not? Not worried about long term safety issues? Not worried about ADE when the flu season actually hits? Not worried that almost all around the world with large vaccination numbers, majority of people being hospitalised for covid are actually vaccined?
But most importantly, not worried to make a decision about something about which free exchange of information is being actively suppressed?
Yep. People's personal experiences will trump anything VAERS or Drs say.
I have a liberal acquaintance who simply refuses to believe there could possibly be anything wrong with the vaccines, because several people he knew died in the hospital of "covid", but no one has had any bad reactions to the jab around him.
Doesn't matter what I send him, his personal experience trumps everything.
There are a lot of people with a variety of agendas pushing negative stories about the vax. I could easily construct a similar narrative that would convince you that air travel is totally unsafe. Secret reports from Boeing, photos of crash sites, warped statistics. Heck, I could even do the same to convince you that driving is totally unsafe. Or eating meat. Or using shampoo. The fact is, literally millions of independent doctors around the world are in support of the vax. The only valid argument against it is that it is untried/untested; that I will accept. But misinterpreting VAERS data and showing 'tentacled monsters' in the vax doesn't cut it for me.
"Most Importantly" - the mantra of the anti-vax crowd here seems to be that we 'vaxxed' are 'living in fear'. This thread (and hundreds like it) are proof of the opposite - the unvaxxed are living in total fear of a harmless vaccine, while we 'vaxxed' are happily going about our lives taking full advantage of science and medicine.
My father was tough and strong as a younger man and became a kind, wise, and gentle soul in old age as men like him usually do. Once he took it this year, at the fine age of 80, he became cruel. Cruel with his words. He calls his child a murderer for not falling in line. You're lucky, Ivan, as there are a lot of people reporting dramatic personality changes in people who took it.
Wow...is your Dad a God-fearing man? Our relationship with others is so KEY. I'm vowing to never compromise my relationship with my daughter over this. I'm praying she is spared any complications...
Just take a look at this site (GA) - hundreds of people literally calling for public hangings and executions! These are supposedly God-fearing Christians. Covid has brought out the worst in many people. But having said that, everyone I hang around with is happy and simply getting on with life.
Will do. My g/f got the vax in Feb; my older friend got it in Jan. I got it in April. Most of my friends got it in April. I'll be sure to report back. Meanwhile I'll be enjoying international travel, fine dining, live sports, live concerts.
I think many parents struggle with the concept that at some point their children will become adults. Adults that can make their own choices.
The sad part is, that if half of what is suggested on this forum is true... once she gets that jab, she's not the same person and possibly can't be trusted.
I've observed that all the vaxxed people I know have become rather sketchy. The longer this goes on, the less they are the person they were before the shot.
That sketchy behavior is because they are unsure of their decision they made with the injections. They are being bombarded with gas lighting and misinformation that is contradictory.
In that malaise they lose a sense of their centered self and what they stand for. Once a person reaches that point they become very pliable and vulnerable from external voices.
The best you can do is provide a grounded voice and assist in putting them back on track by building up their self confidence.
The experimental jabs are not just a physical disability that could last a life time, or even worse. The experimental jabs put people's mental state in doubt about their own health. Psychological warfare on such mass scale coming from "trusted sources" like mass media, medical community, political leaders, etc.
Dang LOGICALLY PUT!! 😎
Is a gut wrenching thing to consider.
Im with ya. I HAD to get it due to a un-avoidable surgery. I was extremely hesitant at first, but gave in due to the pain level I was in pre-op. Ultimately I went with JNJ since it’s not MRNA……regardless, I and most every person I know are vaxxed and 100% of us are fine. No one is having side effects and no one is dying. Every time I bring this up on GA I hear “just wait till next month”. First it was dead in 30 days, then 60, then 90, now it’s 6 months to a year. A prediction is either correct or its incorrect, it’s that simple. We don’t get to move the goal posts constantly.
With all that said I am still 100% pro choice. Mandates are garbage and should be illegal. Long term we will see, the whole vaxx thing could be a giant nothing-burger or I could be a dead man walking. All I know is I am not going to waste my time thinking and worrying about it.
You compromised your immune system long term for a surgery you claim to be unavoidable due to pain.
The pain that comes from having a compromised immune system long term is far worse. Good luck.
So I weighed these exact pros/cons before proceeding and determined I legit would rather die than continued living with the amount of chronic pain I was in. When you need OxyContin just to be able to get out of bed, that’s not living. I am now 90 days or so post-op, nearly off all opiate pain meds besides breakthrough, and feel the best I have felt in years. Don’t judge chronic pain you haven’t lived through, it’s impossible to comprehend the vast effects it has on your life.
I know I'm in a minority here, but I've had both Pfizer shots, and everyone I know has had it (family and friends). Not one person has experienced any issues, and no one is acting 'sketchy'. No one is second-guessing their decision. My g/f is scheduled for the booster next week. Everyone is grateful they got it, and is taking full advantage of the benefits. A good friend of mine is over 80 years old and just flew to London (from US) on vacation. After that she's off to Paris, then on a river cruise on the Rhone (all requiring the vax). Where I live, you need vax proof to enter restaurants and we are eating out all the time. So it's not an issue for me or anyone I know. If it's good enough for Trump, it's good enough for me.
I hear a lot of people use this logic. Everyone who took the vaccine is fine so whats the problem? Does that feel like a logical way to think? Not worry about whether the vaccines are actually effective at all or not? Not worried about long term safety issues? Not worried about ADE when the flu season actually hits? Not worried that almost all around the world with large vaccination numbers, majority of people being hospitalised for covid are actually vaccined?
But most importantly, not worried to make a decision about something about which free exchange of information is being actively suppressed?
Yep. People's personal experiences will trump anything VAERS or Drs say.
I have a liberal acquaintance who simply refuses to believe there could possibly be anything wrong with the vaccines, because several people he knew died in the hospital of "covid", but no one has had any bad reactions to the jab around him.
Doesn't matter what I send him, his personal experience trumps everything.
There are a lot of people with a variety of agendas pushing negative stories about the vax. I could easily construct a similar narrative that would convince you that air travel is totally unsafe. Secret reports from Boeing, photos of crash sites, warped statistics. Heck, I could even do the same to convince you that driving is totally unsafe. Or eating meat. Or using shampoo. The fact is, literally millions of independent doctors around the world are in support of the vax. The only valid argument against it is that it is untried/untested; that I will accept. But misinterpreting VAERS data and showing 'tentacled monsters' in the vax doesn't cut it for me.
"Most Importantly" - the mantra of the anti-vax crowd here seems to be that we 'vaxxed' are 'living in fear'. This thread (and hundreds like it) are proof of the opposite - the unvaxxed are living in total fear of a harmless vaccine, while we 'vaxxed' are happily going about our lives taking full advantage of science and medicine.
My father was tough and strong as a younger man and became a kind, wise, and gentle soul in old age as men like him usually do. Once he took it this year, at the fine age of 80, he became cruel. Cruel with his words. He calls his child a murderer for not falling in line. You're lucky, Ivan, as there are a lot of people reporting dramatic personality changes in people who took it.
Wow...is your Dad a God-fearing man? Our relationship with others is so KEY. I'm vowing to never compromise my relationship with my daughter over this. I'm praying she is spared any complications...
Just take a look at this site (GA) - hundreds of people literally calling for public hangings and executions! These are supposedly God-fearing Christians. Covid has brought out the worst in many people. But having said that, everyone I hang around with is happy and simply getting on with life.
Report back with your g/f and friends and family in a few months. Can’t wait to hear the stories
Will do. My g/f got the vax in Feb; my older friend got it in Jan. I got it in April. Most of my friends got it in April. I'll be sure to report back. Meanwhile I'll be enjoying international travel, fine dining, live sports, live concerts.