Dear all,
For purposes of religious exemption, is it accurate to say that all currently available COVID-19 vaccines are tainted with abortion somewhere in their production process? Or could an employer counter by saying "well if you don't like abortion then just take [some COVID vaccine that doesn't have this problem]?"
Thank you for your help.
According to the new Pfizer whistleblower from Project Veritas - yes, the Pfizer was developed using fetal kidney tissue from aborted babies: https://www.projectveritas.com/news/pfizer-leaks-whistleblower-goes-on-record-reveals-internal-emails-from-chief/
I had to bow down and request an exemption. I'm caring for my sick, elderly mom and helping my daughter and grandson with bills in this inflationary world. Can't just lose everything. This is all I put on my form and it got approved:
I maintain a Christian worldview and endeavor to follow the word of God. The church teaches that a person may refuse a medical intervention, including a vaccination, if his or her conscience leads them to that decision. Vaccinations are not morally obligatory and so, must be voluntary. Each of the manufacturers of the COVID vaccines have developed their vaccines using fetal cell lines which originated from aborted fetuses. It is my moral duty to refuse the use of medical products, including certain vaccines, that are created using human cell lines derived from abortion. A person's asessment of whether the benefits of medical intervention outweigh the undesirable side-effects are to be respected unless they contradict authoratative moral teachings. As a Christian, I follow and obey God's word and, as such, cannot in good conscience and in accord with my faith, take any such vaccine at this time.
Unless they are truly evil, most companies just want to check the box.
Thanks, fren.
THANK YOU
The vaccines are developed with the help of fetal cell lines from aborted babies. No matter if they argue whether or not the babies cells are in the vaccine, it is clear abortion is a vital part of the creation of this vaccine, as well as other vaccines so be prepared for that. I absolutley do not support vaccines that benifit off the murder of innocent unborns.
I had one shot and I will never forgive myself. I need to take time away.
Praying that you will be able to forgive yourself and find spiritual healing. God has already forgiven you. Blessings.
It's not exactly something they tend to tell people about. Antivaxers know because they started digging, but most people had no idea that this has been the norm for years now. They've been doing this with childhood vaccines for some time already.
Unborn children were harmed in the creation of this clotshot
Except, no they weren't.
The original progenitor of the cell line was medically aborted after being found to be unviable. It was 1973. This wasn't a case where a baby was murdered for its cellular data.
It was aborted, very early to get these kinds of cells. There's better arguments than this one, because this one is based on fallacy and makes you look very ignorant.
My dad was considered unviable but he was not aborted and he was born to everyones surprise
You're so small minded and ignorant.
This early term fetus was medically aborted because it was unviable. It would not have lived. It wasn't aborted to harvest its cells. It wasn't reared how you'd rear cattle to eat (something people here seem to have no problem with, mind you).
Yet it's brief time as cellular data (what we all are) has been immortalized and saved countless lives over the years. A feat that is an incredible gift. You're so twisted in knots with your moral outrage that you can't even see the context anymore.
I'm against this set of vaccines, but your point is so incredibly moot when compared to the harsh reality. This is not the argument line to go down.
The vaccine was created by taking advantage of an innocent human being that was aborted. The "why or the "when" does not matter. The vaccine companies have made billions off the backs of the aborted babies that were used in the creation of those vaccines. Bottom line, we live in a society that has normalized abortion FOR ANY REASON and AT ANY TIME and now is normalizing using the cells of these aborted fetuses for the benefit of others. The slippery slope started a long time ago. To take part in any vaccine that benefits off the body of an aborted human being is to participate in a practice I believe is morally wrong and disgusting.
I find it odd, that you would jump into a discussion about religious exemption just to call those of us who believe abortion is wrong in GOD's eyes "small minded and ignorant" and accuse us of "moral outrage". You are completely missing the point. You're either a leftist shill (and apparently vegan which is another clue) or you yourself have had an abortion and you have convinced yourself you are a good person so you argue against anyone who makes you feel bad about yourself. You will not find many people here to side with you on this one. Why are you even here,? It seems much of your post history is telling everyone else they are wrong and ignorant. You sure think highly of yourself "magaprincess"......most shill name ever.
This is an emotional argument not based on reality and easy to disprove. The original progenitor of the cell line was medically aborted.
The cell line is used in testing. In the testing process. It's also mutated far, far away from being the original cell origin.
Bioethics around this specific issue hinge on the moral outrage of abortion. If a fetus was unviable in 1973 and was medically aborted, can you lay claim to the moral outrage of the abortion?
Not logically. Medicine is based on the data gathered by those who come before us.
This is the attachment support that I included in my letter. Also attached a letter signed by a Catholic bishop which was for religious exemption.
The companies that are ask for vaccination they need to have conservativetreehouse.com web page too. They have zero legal rights to request a vaccination.
Below is VERY good information. Sorry for the format it was copy/paste from my letter.
1 Included but not limited to the following vaccines:
Johnson & Johnson/Janssen: Fetal cell cultures are used to produce and manufacture the J&J COVID-19 vaccine and the final formulation of this vaccine includes residual amounts of the fetal host cell proteins (≤0.15 mcg) and/or host cell DNA (≤3 ng).
Pfizer/BioNTech: The HEK-293 abortion-related cell line was used in research related to the development of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.
Moderna/NIAID: Aborted fetal cell lines were used in both the development and testing of Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine.
2 See “Note on the morality of using some anti-Covid-19 vaccines,” CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH, December 21, 2020:
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20201221_nota-vaccini-anticovid_en.html (accessed August 17, 2021).
3 See https://www.livefatima.io/: The crime of abortion is so monstrous that any kind of concatenation with this crime, even a very remote one, is immoral and cannot be accepted under any circumstances by a Catholic once he has become fully aware of it. One who uses these vaccines must realize that his body is benefitting from the “fruits” (although steps removed through a series of chemical processes) of one of mankind’s greatest crimes. Any link to the abortion process, even the most remote and implicit, will cast a shadow over the Church’s duty to bear unwavering witness to the truth that abortion must be utterly rejected. The ends cannot justify the means.
4 As the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission’s Guidance on the protection of sincere religious beliefs states, it does not matter whether one’s sincere religious belief happens to correspond to that of any denomination or that it might even contradict the teaching of one’s denomination. What matters is that one has a sincere religious belief, which I do, concerning the immorality of recourse to abortion-derived vaccines. To quote the EEOC’s Guidance document in the Code of Federal Regulations:
"The fact that no religious group espouses such beliefs or the fact that the religious group to which the individual professes to belong may not accept such belief will not determine whether the belief is a religious belief of the employee or prospective employee…. "
Also, I am aware that the United States Supreme Court has held that “[W]e reject the notion that to claim the protection of the Free Exercise Clause, one must be responding to the commands of a particular religious organization.” Frazee v. Illinois Dep’t of Emp. Sec., 489 U.S. 829, 834, 109 S. Ct. 1514, 1517–18, 103 L. Ed. 2d 914 (1989)(emphasis added). In other words, it is the law of the land that my personal religious belief against vaccination does not have to be supported by any particular religious organization, not even the Church to which I belong. I do not have to show that any particular religion positively forbids me to take a COVID-19 vaccine. My personal religious belief forbids me.
Project Veritas just released whistleblower info that states Pfizer vaccine came from fetal kidney tissue. Has emails.
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/10/06/more-on-missing-biden-eo-and-missing-vaccine-mandate/
https://rumble.com/vn8etj-the-covid-vaccine-is-still-not-approved-by-the-fda-2030-unmasked.html
Why are you giving your employer your specific religious reasons?
Just say getting the vax would violate your sincerely held religious beliefs. Don't give further details unless they ask (and they probably won't).
Some jobs are requiring specificity in religious exemptions. Where I work, not only did you have to check several boxes at the top stating, basically, that you acknowledge that vaccines help society and you're being an asshole trying to weasel out of them (no option for Under Duress), but they wanted you to state exactly why the vaccines went against your beliefs, and to state quotes from your religious texts of choice to back you up. They even ask if you've had shots in the past and why this one, in particular, is objectionable if so.
I had a couple coworkers try to keep it short and sweet with "I'm a born christian, God is my only master. I do not submit to mandates from any other than Him." and were outright denied.
Not only that, they've recently stated that everyone who had been approved before was now considered "pending" once again while they tried to weed out even more people they believed weren't being sincere.
My husband just filed his on the company religious exemption form. He kept it simple, but the form states that more information might be necessary from our pastor for verification. But the fact they actually have this form and were readily providing it to employees was encouraging.
I find it insulting that some of these businesses think a religious exemption may need to include some kind of human "athority" to justify your personal beliefs and that your own religious conviction isn't good enough. I personally don't belong to a church. I don't believe a man of any title sits between me and God. If fact, I believe it violates our religious freedom to even be told we have to explain our beliefs in order to have our religious freedom respected. A religious exeption should only need to state "I claim religious exemption" and that is all. I really hope we see millions of lawsuits at the end of all this.
That sounds really awful. I'm sorry you have to go through that.
Asking about employees' specific religious beliefs doesn't seem legal. But then again we live in 🤡🌎
This is also WA state where Emperor Inslee can apparently deny us all our constitutional rights for whatever reason he likes, and the sheep all clap and ask for more.
As of now, all Covid shots currently use fetal cell lines in some stage of their development. The exception is the Novavax one that keeps being delayed to the public which claims to use cells from tree bark and moths instead.
You may also argue that the way the covid jabs function alters your immune system, given to you by God. It, therefore, pollutes His holy temple which is your body, which you cannot consent to.
Mark of the beast
There was a company that made employees that used this exemption sign an agreement that they wouldn't use any other products that contained fetal products such as Tylenol, etc.
It depends on how loose your correlation between "abortion" and 40 year old synthesized cells are.
People with no medical experience or knowledge will claim it's aborted fetal cells, outright and that's just not true. There is no tissue used in the vaccine. Period. It's a cell line that has been re-generated in a lab millions of times over. There's really no direct link to the moral outrage of abortion and the fetal cell line.
This isn't a case of direct reaction to an action, i.e if new cells were taken directly for testing.
Claiming "abortion" is a stretch too. The original donor of the cells was medically aborted. Because of unviability. You're not talking about some thot aborting for no real reason here.
If anything, the donors of the original cells have lived a life far more productive than many living humans.
Basically, the abortion route is going to be extremely hard to prove you have a moral exception to. Anyone arguing otherwise is not arguing with a basis in reality. There are many more good, solid reasons to ask for exemption, this isn't it.
Such as…
Medical reasons - there's more than enough compelling evidence to suggest it's unsuitable for a majority of the demographic. Psychological reasons. Scientific objection - it doesn't prevent spread and doesn't lessen symptoms as demonstrated by raw data from the UK and Israel. It's therefore not a social contract issue. You're not creating less strain on the community for not taking it.
If you really want to get into it, it's unconstitutional. That's the biggest issue here which the above 3 reasons play into.
A religious exemption is not going to do anything. The abortion fetal cells line is a weak argument based on nothing grounded in reality. That's the problem
Nevermind the fact that I keep getting told that this kind of thing won't happen in America because "we haz gunz" yet... here we are. Tyranny.
Thank you. Problem is I have not heard of a single medical exemption granted even for someone with MS who is in relapse and someone who just had heart surgery. I totally agree with you that it is unconstitutional on its face, but employers aren’t acknowledging this. They have cover from the federal government that they only have to recognize two limited exemptions. But I’m with ya. This just sucks. And I am also tired of the “this won’t happen in America” shit. What’s happened already is an obscene affront to our country and humanity. Ugh