What doesn’t make sense to me about this is the whole cancelling debt thing. So if someone bought a bunch of jet skis and big screen TVs and a college education on credit card, they are just going to have their debt cancelled and get to keep all that stuff? What about the person who didn’t buy the jet skis or the big screen TVs but instead were responsible and paid back their debts, or didn’t take on debt in the first place? Are they just screwed? Doesn’t seem fair to reward the irresponsible and punish the responsible. And does this mean mortgages will be cancelled too? Are people going to get free houses out of this? Also seems unfair to all the renters, especially if the people who were given their houses for free now have a nest egg in their house of a quarter million dollars to cash out on without having to even pay for it in the first place. It’s like the irresponsible win the lottery and the responsible get nothing.
Because none of it is real. If someone bought a bunch of TVs and a college education, they just bought Chinese crap and funded a money laundering scheme. It's not actual money, it's not even backed with gold, it's funny money
If you destroy a currency with no real value and replace it with one backed by gold, and also destroy the entity rigging the financial system (the fed) and on top of that restore the constitutional republic, why would you hold all this old debt over Joe Schmoe?
Besides, with every single seized asset and the amount of wealth stolen from us, consumer debt could be wiped and it'd be a drop in the hat. Think of the trillions of dollars alphabet agencies have locked away for decades...it's limitless. Then there is all the land China has "bought", which will all be returned to the people. Post Q the view of "debt" won't even be the same. The repo man and collector will likely be extinct
Yea but there’s a lot of people who basically get a get out of jail free card for being irresponsible for their financial well being. If you were responsible and didn’t rack up debt and paid up your mortgage, when NESARA happens you’d get nothing. While your neighbors got bunch of free stuff and a free house and free education.
Once this takes place all the corrupt and evil will have been taken out. All of their money will have been confiscated. There is plenty to divide between every person in the world. Including those 3rd world countries that never had anything. Try and remember how much money will be given to all. They got 34 quadrillion just from the vatican alone. There will be no more corruption, no more starvatin, no more rich and poor. Everyone will be well off. Sounds like a dream but that is supposed to be the end result although I do not know how long we have to wait to get there.
I think its just the debt at the reserve. Now u cant tell me the company that sold stuff will just go oh i guess the tvs didnt exist etc.
No it still flows. But the fed gets fu**ed like it should have every single minute of every damn day from the time the devil shat it out
I would rather the assets of the colleges and their employees be confiscated and given back to all the people who paid those fees. Shut down the colleges. Let them go bankrupt trying to pay this back. Professors making hundreds of thousands of dollars could have their savings and assets confiscated too for being complicit in this scam.
What about the guy who wanted to study to be a doctor or a lawyer but couldn’t afford it so he did blue collar manual labor instead? Then someone else puts $125,000 on college debt and gets that same degree for free? I think if these people are going to get their debt cancelled then people without debt should all be given $125,000 - $250,000 for free to make it fair. The indebted will not be able to complain because they are getting their jet skis and big screen TVs and mortgages all paid for free.
There was also a documentary on the Discovery channel, I know... Discovery channel sucks, but it was talking about a secret U.S. mission to locate all of the uranium on the planet from orbit and they ended up finding gold deposits around the globe as well... so we might actually know where the gold is at
The problem with NESARA is that it codifies that which would be accomplished by removing laws, not adding to them.
All of these things that will be accomplished are a fundamental part of things like "free trade" or "inalienable rights". Making MORE laws when we could just remove laws that took away those rights or destroyed free trade in the first place accomplishes the task better. The more laws there are, the more abuse of the system there can be.
We started this country with two pages of laws. Now we have trillions. I think a "Great Reset" back to two pages of laws might be the best path forward.
US has a decent constitution so you have a head start. Treaty law, admiralty law, are open to exploitation whereas constitution isn't, as long as it is adhered to.
The constitution is open to exploitation. That is how we got where we are today. It doesn't clearly express citizen sovereignty. It is implied, but not stated. In fact, I think "pursuit of happiness" in the DoI in place of the original "Property" from John Locke on his treatise of Social Contract theory was put in purposefully by banker interests (Hamilton e.g.) as a potential exploitation.
By common law (precedence) only sovereigns can own land (own, as in can't be taken away whenever the government wants, like when you don't pay your lease payment (aka property tax), etc.). By not explicitly stating property ownership as an inalienable right in the spiritual predecessor to the constitution (DoI) it left open the opportunity for the government to be the sovereign to a vassal citizenry, even though that goes directly against the intention (or what I believe to be the intention) of the founding fathers.
This was further exacerbated in the Bill of Rights (end of fifth amendment) where it allowed for eminent domain. Eminent domain is an explicit statement of the government as a sovereign of a vassal citizenry. It is this precedence, set by the constitution that allows for all of the fuckery that has happened since. If the government is soveriegn, and the people are not, the Government can do whatever the fuck it wants. It is no longer a government of We The People (all individuals equal in legal status to the government (a group of individuals)), but a Government over We The People.
The Constitution has flaws. Its close, but it needs a little help to get to a government Of We The People.
Common law, and a derivative in Constitutional Law is fine, it just has to be a constitution that explicitly states that all citizens are the equal of the government. All sovereign, all equal.
There is no reason that a group of individuals (any group of individuals) should be legally higher than a single individual. That leads to mob rule and an inevitable loss of all freedoms (coercion of forfeiture of inalienable rights) for the individual.
Common law gets a bit bulky with all the precedents. Codification is useful as it provides a workable framework that can be applied across the board, but easily abused. The flaws to the constitution which you pointed out are manmade, human interference. Why not work with the original document and remove the options for human interference?
Why not work with the original document and remove the options for human interference?
That's a reasonable topic for debate. I was more spitballing than suggesting. My research has been more focused on the problem than the solution. At some point I will think about that more.
As for codification, if it is extremely simple it might be a good idea. For example, we really only need one law with regards to restrictions on a person (if one choses to be a party in the Social Contract):
If you directly infringe upon the rights of another there will be consequences.
It would require a little bit of elaboration for specific infringements, but I think this is essentially all you really need in code.
For example, for some infringements the penalty would have to be death (a forfeiture of the right to live). For others it could be community service or some other restitution for the aggrieved party. All the other laws just don't need to be there at all. Like, do we need speeding laws (which are a racket, even if they don't need to be), or should we rather inform people of the real hazards of speeding that aren't an obvious infringement on another's rights (like, for a school zone, the danger to others is difficult to deny, but for the freeway it isn't as clear, i.e. look at the autobahn) and let them choose?
I don't know. It's something that requires a fair bit of thinking and debate.
If NESARA also bans all kneeling and flag protests at sports stadiums... and restores our schools to teaching actual history, math, science, literature and basic working skills (rather than gender studies and racism training).... then I'm all for it.
That is why they are bankrupting the federal reserve. This will be the new money. By the time we get to that all of those involved in everything will be gone or executed and the world will finally live in peace. Every person on earth will share.
Ask yourselves...if all debt was wiped out tomorrow what would happen..who would lose? It won't be you and I it would be the very end of the line players..those in controll of the banking systems and even they have wealth that is non currency so at the end of the day nothing happens and the sun shines tomorrow!
There is a lot of content out there on NESARA and GESARA. Makes you wonder could this be possible? Then I think back to 2016 ish and all the flat earth content that was out there. So…
Here is an excellent history of NESARA written by a Gab member. 12 typewritten pages in PDF going back to 1892 showing how it all came about and where it stands today. I have done some cursory verification of the facts, and, as the document says, DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!
http://lodikov.com/info/NESARA.pdf
(iv) block all property and interests in property of the sanctioned person that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of any United States person, and provide that such property and interests in property may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in;
Displacement activity. We have a rough few months ahead of us and that's the focus. Once the dust has settled the changes made to banking and taxation will leave us all better off, no need for someone else's agenda.
What doesn’t make sense to me about this is the whole cancelling debt thing. So if someone bought a bunch of jet skis and big screen TVs and a college education on credit card, they are just going to have their debt cancelled and get to keep all that stuff? What about the person who didn’t buy the jet skis or the big screen TVs but instead were responsible and paid back their debts, or didn’t take on debt in the first place? Are they just screwed? Doesn’t seem fair to reward the irresponsible and punish the responsible. And does this mean mortgages will be cancelled too? Are people going to get free houses out of this? Also seems unfair to all the renters, especially if the people who were given their houses for free now have a nest egg in their house of a quarter million dollars to cash out on without having to even pay for it in the first place. It’s like the irresponsible win the lottery and the responsible get nothing.
Because none of it is real. If someone bought a bunch of TVs and a college education, they just bought Chinese crap and funded a money laundering scheme. It's not actual money, it's not even backed with gold, it's funny money
If you destroy a currency with no real value and replace it with one backed by gold, and also destroy the entity rigging the financial system (the fed) and on top of that restore the constitutional republic, why would you hold all this old debt over Joe Schmoe?
Besides, with every single seized asset and the amount of wealth stolen from us, consumer debt could be wiped and it'd be a drop in the hat. Think of the trillions of dollars alphabet agencies have locked away for decades...it's limitless. Then there is all the land China has "bought", which will all be returned to the people. Post Q the view of "debt" won't even be the same. The repo man and collector will likely be extinct
Yea but there’s a lot of people who basically get a get out of jail free card for being irresponsible for their financial well being. If you were responsible and didn’t rack up debt and paid up your mortgage, when NESARA happens you’d get nothing. While your neighbors got bunch of free stuff and a free house and free education.
Once this takes place all the corrupt and evil will have been taken out. All of their money will have been confiscated. There is plenty to divide between every person in the world. Including those 3rd world countries that never had anything. Try and remember how much money will be given to all. They got 34 quadrillion just from the vatican alone. There will be no more corruption, no more starvatin, no more rich and poor. Everyone will be well off. Sounds like a dream but that is supposed to be the end result although I do not know how long we have to wait to get there.
It does sounds like a fantasy but I guess I’m a Dreamer too
I think its just the debt at the reserve. Now u cant tell me the company that sold stuff will just go oh i guess the tvs didnt exist etc. No it still flows. But the fed gets fu**ed like it should have every single minute of every damn day from the time the devil shat it out
I would rather the assets of the colleges and their employees be confiscated and given back to all the people who paid those fees. Shut down the colleges. Let them go bankrupt trying to pay this back. Professors making hundreds of thousands of dollars could have their savings and assets confiscated too for being complicit in this scam.
So good for you for being a good and responsible person?
The person that bought all that stuff wasn't counting on debt being cancelled... So it wasn't planned.
What about the guy who wanted to study to be a doctor or a lawyer but couldn’t afford it so he did blue collar manual labor instead? Then someone else puts $125,000 on college debt and gets that same degree for free? I think if these people are going to get their debt cancelled then people without debt should all be given $125,000 - $250,000 for free to make it fair. The indebted will not be able to complain because they are getting their jet skis and big screen TVs and mortgages all paid for free.
I'm cool with that actually because in the end we're all free
Of course this will never happen but still a man can dream.
I also like how you keep bringing up TV's. They're aren't that expensive lol.
That makes sense. Bc people without debt would be shafted in this “ideal” situation.
Yup because your credit card companies and banks are all part of the corrupt system and they will end it.
There was also a documentary on the Discovery channel, I know... Discovery channel sucks, but it was talking about a secret U.S. mission to locate all of the uranium on the planet from orbit and they ended up finding gold deposits around the globe as well... so we might actually know where the gold is at
Hope it's not under you unless you have some really good environmental mitigation strategies in place. They extract gold with cyanide.
The problem with NESARA is that it codifies that which would be accomplished by removing laws, not adding to them.
All of these things that will be accomplished are a fundamental part of things like "free trade" or "inalienable rights". Making MORE laws when we could just remove laws that took away those rights or destroyed free trade in the first place accomplishes the task better. The more laws there are, the more abuse of the system there can be.
We started this country with two pages of laws. Now we have trillions. I think a "Great Reset" back to two pages of laws might be the best path forward.
US has a decent constitution so you have a head start. Treaty law, admiralty law, are open to exploitation whereas constitution isn't, as long as it is adhered to.
The constitution is open to exploitation. That is how we got where we are today. It doesn't clearly express citizen sovereignty. It is implied, but not stated. In fact, I think "pursuit of happiness" in the DoI in place of the original "Property" from John Locke on his treatise of Social Contract theory was put in purposefully by banker interests (Hamilton e.g.) as a potential exploitation.
By common law (precedence) only sovereigns can own land (own, as in can't be taken away whenever the government wants, like when you don't pay your lease payment (aka property tax), etc.). By not explicitly stating property ownership as an inalienable right in the spiritual predecessor to the constitution (DoI) it left open the opportunity for the government to be the sovereign to a vassal citizenry, even though that goes directly against the intention (or what I believe to be the intention) of the founding fathers.
This was further exacerbated in the Bill of Rights (end of fifth amendment) where it allowed for eminent domain. Eminent domain is an explicit statement of the government as a sovereign of a vassal citizenry. It is this precedence, set by the constitution that allows for all of the fuckery that has happened since. If the government is soveriegn, and the people are not, the Government can do whatever the fuck it wants. It is no longer a government of We The People (all individuals equal in legal status to the government (a group of individuals)), but a Government over We The People.
The Constitution has flaws. Its close, but it needs a little help to get to a government Of We The People.
What form of law would you support?
Common law, and a derivative in Constitutional Law is fine, it just has to be a constitution that explicitly states that all citizens are the equal of the government. All sovereign, all equal.
There is no reason that a group of individuals (any group of individuals) should be legally higher than a single individual. That leads to mob rule and an inevitable loss of all freedoms (coercion of forfeiture of inalienable rights) for the individual.
Common law gets a bit bulky with all the precedents. Codification is useful as it provides a workable framework that can be applied across the board, but easily abused. The flaws to the constitution which you pointed out are manmade, human interference. Why not work with the original document and remove the options for human interference?
That's a reasonable topic for debate. I was more spitballing than suggesting. My research has been more focused on the problem than the solution. At some point I will think about that more.
As for codification, if it is extremely simple it might be a good idea. For example, we really only need one law with regards to restrictions on a person (if one choses to be a party in the Social Contract):
It would require a little bit of elaboration for specific infringements, but I think this is essentially all you really need in code.
For example, for some infringements the penalty would have to be death (a forfeiture of the right to live). For others it could be community service or some other restitution for the aggrieved party. All the other laws just don't need to be there at all. Like, do we need speeding laws (which are a racket, even if they don't need to be), or should we rather inform people of the real hazards of speeding that aren't an obvious infringement on another's rights (like, for a school zone, the danger to others is difficult to deny, but for the freeway it isn't as clear, i.e. look at the autobahn) and let them choose?
I don't know. It's something that requires a fair bit of thinking and debate.
Sounds like a plan, something concrete for people to work towards.
Isn't that covered in the retraining of all judges in constitutional law portion?
Some times you need to add laws for things to make sure they are not taken away by future laws. The Bill of Rights does this.
The rest of the conversation between me and kula above addresses this specifically.
If NESARA also bans all kneeling and flag protests at sports stadiums... and restores our schools to teaching actual history, math, science, literature and basic working skills (rather than gender studies and racism training).... then I'm all for it.
Read again. Quite the opposite. It's left wingery on stilts. "Rainbow currency"
No it isnt. Alot of us have been waiting for this. There will be no more left wing BS because it will be shut down.
Lol bans kneeling? Who gives a fuck?
exactly
That is why they are bankrupting the federal reserve. This will be the new money. By the time we get to that all of those involved in everything will be gone or executed and the world will finally live in peace. Every person on earth will share.
Has anyone heard of the Quantum Financial System? Apparently it's ready to be rolled out, and will support NESARA/GESARA. Here is some info on it: https://rumble.com/vndd11-the-goldfish-report-no.-777-i-the-new-quantum-financial-system-and-digital-.html
If something sounds too good to be true then it’s not true
Ask yourselves...if all debt was wiped out tomorrow what would happen..who would lose? It won't be you and I it would be the very end of the line players..those in controll of the banking systems and even they have wealth that is non currency so at the end of the day nothing happens and the sun shines tomorrow!
There is a lot of content out there on NESARA and GESARA. Makes you wonder could this be possible? Then I think back to 2016 ish and all the flat earth content that was out there. So…
Here is an excellent history of NESARA written by a Gab member. 12 typewritten pages in PDF going back to 1892 showing how it all came about and where it stands today. I have done some cursory verification of the facts, and, as the document says, DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH! http://lodikov.com/info/NESARA.pdf
Wow, this is an amazing document, still working through it. Thanks for sharing!
IDK….Kinda sounds like the NWO Great Reset. Do citizens still retain property?
(iv) block all property and interests in property of the sanctioned person that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of any United States person, and provide that such property and interests in property may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in;
Displacement activity. We have a rough few months ahead of us and that's the focus. Once the dust has settled the changes made to banking and taxation will leave us all better off, no need for someone else's agenda.
How do I live under this with just Military Retirement pay and Social Security pay? What happens to my money in the bank etc.,?
So, when is tbis supposed to happen?
Should I go order a new C8 now and rack up all my Cards to max?
Whsts the tldr synopsis?
Sounds nice tho
Gotcha! Thanks!
Gesara/Nesara is basic Q. Read up, take your time though, it's complicated business