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Wouldn't want to run out of gas either, but I will take my chances with internal combustion anytime.
I once ran out on a snowy road in the middle of nowhere. An angel came across my path with a spare can. Can't imagine getting sorted as easily in an electric car.
Yeah I agree...it would require a tow truck at the least.
I think the point is that lowering the ambient temperature causes chemical reactions to proceed more slowly, so a battery used at a low temperature produces less current than at a higher temperature. As cold batteries run down they quickly reach the point where they cannot deliver enough current to keep up with the demand.
Good point... I live in an area that has a real winter so that is familiar to me. We have block heaters to help with this in gas engines - otherwise we might not be able to start our vehicles in the morning.
Just another in a long list of reasons why electric cars are not the way forward.
The point is kind of mot when the battery is 400 volts and 1000 horsepower at full temp, you aren't using that sitting still. They heat up just like engines and have enough piwer to sit in traffic all week. Most gas cars will run out before the battery is out of charge.
I don't think he was sitting still in a snowstorm will 100 kwh of power. Tell yourself to do the math. How many days will your house run on that? Now suntract a few dozen lights, a refrigerator and microwave, et cetera. Its pretty simple math.
I doubt a motorcycle has a battery that weighs 3000 pounds. Thats not going to be the same.
He sounds like a suicidal smug Hollywood stereotype for trying that stunt.
How do you keep the cabin 70 degrees?
Its just a car, not different than your car
Exactly! By consuming electricity 👍
I would never buy or drive a vehicle the government can shut down remotely and lock me out of my own car. And, oh yes they can!
I keep my old truck for that reason and it's handy in the winter.
Most cars built after 2018 have a lock out system. It came with mandatory rear video screens.
Battery packs in EVs have a heater, it's present in Tesla cars for sure. It keeps the battery pack in a desired temp range.
The heater will eat a bit into your driving range / usable capacity for the trip, but it's a reasonable solution and not the end of the world.
There are other bigger issues with EVs that need to be highlighted. But probably not this one.
Every place with lights on is a gas station to electric cars, but since you can sit parked in an electric for a week you will die of dehydration before the battery runs low.
You're intentionally missing the point. A Tesla has less than 8 hours with that heater cranked and zero driving. For the storms I've been trapped in in a 4x4 truck, that would be a 100% failure rate with a Tesla assuming a tow truck dropped me off in the storm with a full battery.
I'm not, you're lying but I don't think it's intentional. A teaka has 70+ hours of just sitting there with the heater cranked. Probably overc100 hours.
Side by side comparison, a gas car will run out before a battery. Especially considetingvtgecelectriccstarted the day full most gas cars don't.
I drive my 4x4 tesla at the highest suspension setting and it gets better winter mileage than my chevy truck.
Your mistake is thinking cars use more power to sit still and heat for 8 hours than your house uses in 8 days. That's just bad math. Cars are much smaller, more efficient, and you aren't running refrigerators and microwaves and water heaters all at once, so they use much less power.
I don't blame you, deep state propaganda feeds lies like that constantly and a lot of people get fooled by the media. Its maybe opec, maybe old fashioned greedy lues, but whatever the point of the propaganda you will see through them the next time you hear it. I'm just surprised to hear propaganda repeated here, usually this crowd is more immune.
Heater circuit on a model 3 is 240V x 21A = 5kwh, so yes I was off I didn't realize the base model battery was over 50kwh.
Also like all electronics they aren't at full power constantly.
There's a major plot point in the movie Apollo 13 where Gary Senise does this, balancing start-up power on power draw so things that need to be on don't spike over some limit. Power on spike is much more than stable low power draw.
No different than your house.
Who is paying you to shill electric vehicles here? Or are you just another brain dead muskovite?
I own an EV but not for “environmental” reasons. It’s actually insanely quick, smooth and I’m saving a ton of money not filling up at the gas station. But yeah I agree they aren’t any better for the environment really.
Nevermind that ~80% of the electricity comes from coal or natural gas. Unless they are charging their cars from solar panels at home, all they have done is move the emissions somewhere else.
Coal? only in shitholes
You are the funny one. I have only seen Tesla being recharged by the roadside once -- a picture here on GAW recently. Years of Tesla news, and not a peep about winter usage.
People with money to buy EVs now are at least upper middle class. Or somewhat tech-savvy. (Leaving aside those who won Darwin Awards using the Autopilot stupidly,) this means that suitably functional EV drivers have range and battery capacity in mind, all the time. (Leaving aside say, teenagers borrowing parents' cars.)
As such, most will do fine, since they are already well-attuned to planning on battery use and management. ("100 miles left. Oh, take the supercharger tomorrow when I do groceries.") It's just another item to manage. And things like free or low-cost superchargers will be an incentive to train oneself on range / capacity awareness.
And for long trips in poor winter weather, there is always their other car (if they can afford an EV...) or a rental for cross-country trips. The most common usage of EVs is still commuting, that's why RR or Bentley is planning EV luxury cars with emphasis on short commuting, since their data indicates that the cars are most likely used for short trips.
For now, this kind of scenario will be as rare as folks who self-terminate using Autopilot stupidly. No more than that.
Other problems will dominate way before this scenario happens.
So... it uses heaters, consuming battery to prevent the battery from dissipating faster in the cold, thus resulting in the battery being dissipated faster regardless?
I think OP is correct. EVs are like motorcycles. Great way to save on gas and can be a fun hobby, but you should absolutely have a gas 4x4 if you live in a climate like this.
Currently there are no other solutions for freezing batteries. The usage is not a lot. So many years of EV expanding their numbers, and the only time I saw a picture of a Tesla being recharged by the roadside is here recently on GAW.
Most people with money to buy EVs are at least upper middle class. These folks will get into trouble less (but many still managed to kill themselves using Autopilot.) If they don't have a second car to use in poor winter weather, then a rental is an option for a long trip.
Everyone on EVs? -- not going to happen for a long time. In some (or many) countries they may need to rewire neighborhoods to allow you to fast charge. In the UK, they are proposing legislation to control charging times (illegal for you to charge during peak hours). So you see, electrical grid problems will dominate way before everyone ends up with an EV.
I wonder what the salt on the roads is going to do to them. A gas vehicle suffers at around the 10 year mark if not properly cared for. I can't imagine the bad ground issues and parasitic loads that will come with an old EV.
That's the least of their problems. Savvy owners will replace and trade in well before that. Materials and sealing are quite good these days, look at your phone for instance. Few will blame the manufacturer for such wear and tear.
Electricity grid and power line capacity issues are still mostly a gleam in the eyes of engineers. Charging must eventually be controlled by the grid, because no power grid can survive a mass charging. (Oh, lemme charge my EV while I watch ManU. Like everyone else on the street. Then of course the grid will trip.)
Public charging when everyone has an EV? That will be like those in line filling up with natural gas. Battery tech is unsolved, no matter what safety measures they put in the pack. Want your new car to burn down your house? Say no more:
https://insideevs.com/news/550960/tesla-modely-charging-fire-pennsylvania/
What will happen to dense car parks, or condo car parks? Like this:
https://insideevs.com/news/540391/stuttgart-bus-depot-fire-electricbus/
There was a large garage fire in Norway first tied to EVs, but that was a diesel Opel (had owner as witness, so probably cannot be disputed.) Car makers that talk of going 100% electric are just wanking in public. They are not talking about the problems that will appear.
Is there a gascan of electricity option?
Exactly.
I bring a generator with mine camping. Literally a gas can of electricity.
Good old camping. You can't beat the great outdoors.
I rarely sleep less than a few hours and when I charge on the road it's 15 minutes.
You spend more time pumping gas than I spend charging. I only have to charge outside of my home likec3 times a year.
I only bought my car cause it was the cheapest fastest safest family car my wife would allow, roller per horsepower, but driving it opened my eyes to all the political lies aimed at them. Its just like every other politics topic, they don't want you knowing the truth.
Drive to airport, park, fly, come back and drive home. Zero charging, though most airports offer free charging at long term parking lots so when im out of the country come back to a full tank and still zeto minutes spent pumping gas. I don't spend 20 hours sitting at a time in cars, that's dangerously unhealthy and time is the most valuable resource any of us have so when I need to cross half of north America I do it by plane
35 minutes x 3 stops for fuel food and washroom, but I'd never do that so add 2 8 hour sleeps. Same as I would do in every other car.
Don't try and drive 20 hours in 1 day, your life is more important. That kind of driving is the same for every car, and whether gas or electron you will love lanekerping and auto lane changes after the first 16 hour shift of holding a wheel, but don't let yourself get road hypnotized.
Frankly, I wouldn't want to be anywhere in an electric car thus I don't have one. (Middle finger to Al, Klaus, Brandon and that snot-nosed-brat.)
My electric cars battery can keep your whole house running for days
The average electric car battery holds about 75kWh of electricity.
The average house uses 20-25kWh per day.
Sitting still in my car in snow like that with heater, lights, and radio on, my electric carveill have enough charge to drive home when gasoline cars run out of gas. I leave the garage every morning with a "full tank" too, so there's the advantage of never getting stuck.
Electric range is an issue because at 70mph you use more power per hour than a house needs in 24 hours. Sitting still, a small car uses less power than a house.
I don't understand the electric hate. It's American cars, running on American generated power, using American coal. You can't get a more American car than that especially in this OPEC subservient climate.
Electric vehicles are typically only good for 75-100k miles before you need to replace the battery. At that point it's more economical to buy a new car. A gasoline vehicle that is more mechanical than electrical will last 3-4 times longer before it becomes too expensive to fix...unless you have the know-how and tools.
I never keep a car that long any way, but this is important info for used car buyers! Especially with states starting to make 2030 electric mandates. reliable used gas car prices may wind up skyrocking.
The highest mile electric car is a Tesla Model S with 750k miles...but it's had 4 motors and 3 battery packs replaced (I wonder how much that cost?) My current Jeep has 305k miles on the original driveline and it still averages 18.5 mpg which is 2.5 mpg better than new.
I had several motors replaced. Free in warranty but I will never own one out of warranty. Tesla's are built like old Yugos. Poor craftsmanship and the worst reliability I've ever had. If it wasn't unmatched speed and ok enough as a day to day driver I wouldn't own it. And without the factory needing to pay for towing when the computer glitches out, it would get too expensive.
I'm waiting to replace my truck for ford or chevy. They should be able to build it like an actual truck instead of a phone you replace every 2 or 3 years.
I prefer to stick with proven reliability with over 100+ years instead of a warranty and having to spend more money to replace a vehicle that has no resale value every few years. I'm building an engine for the DD Jeep and I'll maybe have $2000 into it when it's done. And then I go for another 300k.
Electric cars are proven longer than gas, Henry Fords wife drove electric and refused gas because crank starters killed and maimed people and took more strength than smaller people could handle, and the crazy thing is they got 100 mile range a century ago (more than a Nissan Leaf)
Ironically, technology improvements to electric motors made gasoline better than electric and the rest is history. Starter motors made all the difference.
It also helped gas get dedicated supply stores that eventually became filler stations. Early on you could charge at home but had to buy gasoline at a pharmacy, and inventory was unreliable.
Enough history. Stick with the Jeep. It'll always be awesome
I have solar at my house. Its perfect but way too expensive for most people, especially because you'd need batteries everywhere To compensate for less than ideal weather. You have to plan (and spend) for the worst case or you're just going to be disappointed.
Coal is fine most places, but switching to wind or sun still keeps the fuel coming from local sources. They don't ship electricity from the middle east or wage banker wars over sunlight.
who wants to drive a car that runs on coal.....
I like using all natural wood and fire in a fireplace burrito'd in a blanket. Am I the only one?
I’ll take the Tesla, it has heating, it has a 200+ mile charge. More than enough for several hours in the snow. Not to mention the extra weight and low center of gravity, Tesla’s perform exceptionally in the snow.
Not in southeast Alaska. My neighbor only brings his Tesla out in the summer. It’s just a toy.
Location location, I’m sure Elon himself isn’t a fan of marketing in extreme environments, the rest of the country is free game. It’s interesting to hear your neighbor in Alaska has one, why do you think he got it? You said as a toy that makes sense but wow that’s an expensive toy.
With the range I have with my Tesla and it's efficiency I never worry about range anxiety. Sure I keep the cabin nice and warm, however there's no energy being directed to the motors as EVs dont need to be on idle.
Jokes on them, I live in a warm state :)
Gas runs out too.?