Lately been seeing posts about folks who've done everything right and still have bad covid.
Before going to the hospital, this therapy is worth a try. Difficulty breathing is very scary, and once it starts with Covid, it can worsen rapidly.
This happened to me. I was already on the recommended vitamins, and I was in a bad state, no knowledge of ivermectin at the time, and for me it felt like my choices were this nebulizer therapy, death, or the hospital. (Yes, I had a major comorbidity: type 1 diabetes. Otherwise healthy and active, my breathing had become increasingly difficult and was a few days past the worrying stage.
Fortunately the nebulizer therapy worked quickly. Everything is OTC, way faster than getting a prescription or an appointment, and very inexpensive, with the exception of the nebulizer, $40-100. (Obviously nothing compared to any hospital cost.) All usually available in one trip to a pharmacy.
It quickly calmed my breathing, and I felt a little better immediately, and much better overnight. I continued for weeks, not out of any discipline or respect for medicine, but because it was so obviously helpful. It is worth a try.
When covid is bad, it can sneak up on people. Both articles are good. After reading I think you'll agree there is a big upside compared to almost no downside.
Here is the protocol: https://www.spiritofchange.org/nebulized-peroxide-a-simple-remedy-for-covid-19/ Archived: https://archive.md/SvEEm
2nd article. https://deeprootsathome.com/dr-mercola-nebulized-peroxide-the-single-most-effective-early-strategy/ Archived: https://archive.md/snzF5
By all means, do the vitamins, NAC, IVM or HCQ, I'm not opposed to any of those things. But don't ignore breathing issues especially if they seem to get progressively worse, and keep this in mind. These articles mention more than one formula- if you're skittish, just start with the most diluted; your body will tell you if it helps and you can priced from there. Pro tip in comment about making nebulizing even easier.
Pro tip: instead of making a big batch and worrying about measuring tiny amounts, here's what I did:
Wound wash sterile saline from the first aid section comes in a pressurized can, so anything you don't use is preserved and remains sterile without refrigerating. (Don't use contact lens saline- it has preservatives. Read labels carefully.)
Regular hydrogen peroxide from the pharmacy can be measured easily and accurately by 0.01ml increments using a diabetic syringe which are sold behind the counter but without a prescription.
This way you can mix it each time: squirt the saline directly into the nebulizer cup and add the precise amount of hydrogen peroxide whenever you use it, rather than make a big batch and have to make a spot in your fridge to store it. I didn't refrigerate the hydrogen peroxide, but you're supposed to. 5ml of saline to 0.03ml (three units on the syringe) of hydrogen peroxide was what I used.
(About the syringes: your pharmacy should sell those to you without a prescription; I believe this is a law. You probably will need to sign for the purchase. They are sold in packs of 10, in sizes of 25, 50, and 100 units: the 25 unit will be easiest to measure, but 50 is still easy and a more common size. I left the aluminum foil on the peroxide bottle and poked a hole in it with the syringe to make it easier to draw the right amount. I also re-used the syringe, because you're only dipping it into a disinfectant, and it never contacts anything else but air.)
Are you fully recovered now? If so, how long did it take, once you started using this treatment - to get to where you could breathe normally again? Thanks.
The "difficulty breathing" felt like I was sucking air just fine, but into a balloon that got smaller and stronger, as if it required more effort to pack it in, rather than more air. It was weird. But when I was at rest, it wasn't bad at all. Until it was.
So until the difficulty was near-constant, it was basically fine until I hiked a mountain. And then fine until I walked a mile. And then fine until I walked 2 blocks to the store. You get the idea. At the same time I had a pervasive lethargy, which kept me from wanting to walk a few blocks. After a while it became a problem all the time. So when it reversed, it reversed mostly the same way. Better, and better, but more in terms of endurance until difficulty, rather than becoming less difficult.
After nebulizing, it was immediately apparent that it helped. For the first few days I nebulized 5 or 6 times a day, and by the end of a week I felt downright energetic. And then I slacked off, and it came back gradually. But it was a lot less frightening, knowing that I could fix it. So I kept nebulizing 2-4 times a day randomly for a few weeks, even when I felt pretty good, just because I didn't want it to come back.
Lol. I don't blame you. Not being able to breathe is scary. Glad you're better.
And yeah, I'm totally recovered now. I'm even over the paranoia, as I was hyper-aware of my breathing for months after. But this was April 2020. A long time ago.
Thank you!
Thanks Saving
Thank you for posting this. I actually just heard about this treatment the other day. Saw the Dr. Mercola clip and was stunned to hear him say it works on all viruses. Good info for people and i'm glad you shared it. Happy to hear you're faring much better. Good for you for seeking out real help.
Do u have a recommendation for a machine to buy, prefer Made in USA?
No. I think there are some in the links. Don't buy the battery-powered kind unless it's all you can get. Some have a mask-type arrangement, others have something that has more of a wide sipping straw or bong look. That's just preference.
Chain pharmacies near me said I needed to have a prescription which is false. One admitted that the prescription was only needed for insurance, and he apologized that the price was $120 because it was usually insurance. I bought mine for $40 from a small independent pharmacy that didn't care about insurance and had it in stock. So... call around locally, if you don't want to order online.
I have a Pari Vios Pro nebulizer machine, bought 6 years ago for $90. It came with a Pari LC Star nebulizer cup, which allows inhaling aerosolized medicine like smoking a pipe. Made in Mexico, I believe. At the time, it was top of the line, but don't know about nowadays.
It looks like this:
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/281392046696-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
Thanks for this. Saving. I'm diabetic as well, Type 2. Gotta say, got the covid back in Sept, the only thing scary for me was the difficulty breathing. I'd get up from bed and go take a piss and be completely out of breath like i'd just run a fucking marathon.
Sorry it got that bad. Glad you made it through!
NAC, vit C, zinc, Lomatium...
Don't go to the hospital.
Well, that's only with prescription, so at the very least it will take more time. I think it is a steroid that would help like other steroids that have been reported. But albuterol dilates the lungs without addressing the infection, and I believe it has long-term negative side effects. If the vitamins and ivermectin aren't helping, I think albuterol would only be a stopgap, whereas according to these doctors and my experience, the hydrogen peroxide is curative. But I can only speak to my experience; I didn't use albuterol for this.
My son started having breathing issues weeks after COVID. No one wanted to be in the room with him. He sounded like he was dying. Doctor gave him albuteral nebulizer, more ivermectin, antibiotics and steroid shots. It did not help much. He is now on Trelegy and is better. Trelegy inhaler is expensive but magically becomes $25 with a coupon.
Must've been scary. I'm glad he pulled through. Watching this info get censored on the net made me angry. Even doctors looking for treatments missed it. It's good the doctor was awake and invested enough to keep trying and pushing. I'm sure the albuterol helped, it's just that the lungs were fighting against the tide. When covid provokes serious breathing difficulty is when people die. If he's over the covid he should be improving, and it's a matter of recovery time to get back to normal. But if it gets worse, I wouldn't hesitate to give the peroxide a try.
There's another post about albuterol on this thread you might want to read. My summary is that the temporary dilation from steroids (like trelegy) helps in the short-term but long-term makes the lungs weaker. But do your own research.
My son had asthma growing up. I always used mentholatum ( they advised against) on his chest, back and feet. I also would have him take baths with the baby medicated bath. Plus kept a humidifier/vaporizer going when sick.
In a video put out by Dr Mercola, he talks about how to use H2O2 for Covid of the Lungs. His recipe is as follows:
Either formula will make H2O2 0.01% dilution.
How to use: Nebulize mixture for 5-10 minutes. Repeat every hour if currently sick.
Note: Mercola states in the video to use Food grade Hydrogen peroxide. You can easily find this online. However, drugstore brown bottle 3% works and can be ingested by mouth in small doses with no serious side effects and is easy to find.
Wild oregano oil will kill a virus. I took one pill a day along with the protocol. Plus eucalyptus oil in a diffuser will kill viruses in the air. They used to use it in sick rooms back in the day. Black walnut will kill parasites too and you can take it throughout the year.
Thanks for the tip. Where do you get an oregano pill? I've only seen the herb, and the essential oil. I've made oregano tea before and found it helpful. Should've tried it this time, but did this instead.
I got mine at a local health food store.
Thanks.
I wanted to thank you for this post, and turning me onto nebulized h2o2. This treatment has really helped my son recover from a bad cough/stuffy nose.
You might be interested in a free e-book on the subject, written by Thomas Levy, MD.
https://rvr.medfoxpub.com/
Glad it helped! And thanks for saying so. I'll check out the book.
I found this video a while ago from a doctor (Dr David Marquis) who teaches how he nebulizes hydrogen peroxide, including a demonstration, and answers lots of questions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfA3K4tlwps
Awesome! I had a separate post awhile ago about archiving because the nebulizing peroxide was scrubbed/censored, and I only had one valid link left when I previously had lots of good links. I'll add this link; thanks.
Great info. Thanks to all for sharing!
thanks for the info on nebulizer
T1D here too.
Have you used Zinc with Quinine/HQC/Ivermectin yet?
Using more than the suggested dose of Quinine or Ivermectin with far more than the recommended dose of Zinc for a couple days drops my insulin needs drastically for over a week. I wouldn't try it without a CGM (Dexcom is mine).
It has been insane for me. Every time I do it, I use at least 30% less insulin for almost a week. Crazy side effect of COVID stuff. Granted it might be helping since I am overweight & may have some type 2 tendencies as well.
Just wanted to know if any other T1D are seeing some interesting stuff.
During this episode, beginning April 2020, my sugar was off the charts, literally. At random times it exceeded 400 and 500, and I couldn't bring it down, I wasn't reacting normally to insulin or to food, it was wild and scary. I later read some scientific explanations of how covid shuts down organs, and I think that's what was happening at the time. Obviously I got better. I tried HCL and woke up with a racing, pounding heart for two nights, so I stopped. Also, at that time I had extensive clotting. I use an omnipod pump, and I had multiple failures where I replaced it early, and one day my blood was positively black and gooey, which really freaked me out. I've used dexcom before, but was back to finger-pricks. But that was then, and now I'm back to normal.
Thanks for commenting about the effects of IVM. I have since experimented with ivermectin, and also fenbendazole. Like you, I also noticed that both of them reduce my insulin needs, and give me lows at night if I'm not careful, but it seems to wane. I am intrigued, and just recently finished a few tubes using the weight guidelines. I looked up other anti-parasite drugs, and think mebendazole is a promising candidate. Turns out they took it off the shelves in the US to be replaced by a newer drug, but everywhere they do sell it, it comes with a "warning label" that it reduces the insulin requirement for diabetics! That sounds like a great feature to me, so after searching the safety (very safe), I searched "mebendazole" and "mellitus" and only found two studies, but both observed the insulin-reducing effect. One even had a person (young, recently diagnosed) who apparently cured it after a month! The study only followed him for 6 months, but he went off insulin entirely. So I'm going to order some 100mg tablets from Mexico to see what it does.
For the record, I think Dr. Faustman has found the cause and the cure. Her paper in March 2020, only 3 pages long, lays it out clearly. Would've been top news if not for covid. Reading between the lines, it's the lack of exposure to natural tuberculosis bacteria when young, leaving us susceptible to T1. The exposure primes the immune system in such a way that it prevents tuberculosis disease and T1 diabetes. Different vaccines are less effective substitutes for the same exposure. She lays it all out very clearly. Just google "Faustman lab" and you can see her recent papers. Only problem is it's only phase 2 studies for now. That, plus the treatment needs 3.5 years (i.e., one shot but it takes that long to work). So I'll try the mebendazole in the meantime.
Thank you! I have been looking for info an real reasons that this disease occurs. There is so much information & just have not found a common denominator.
Seems like anti paracitics is a good first step to explore.
I have never heard of mebendazole, thank you for that research. I will look further into it too.
There is a chiropractor in FL who claims they have cured T1D in multiple patients. I need to get their information again. My baby bro acquired T1D & their youngest son picked it up too recently. He has gone to speak with this guy & had my nephew treated. They are still working on it, though there was a wealth of information that my brother picked up about potential root causes & common denominators for diabetics.
Thank you for the Faustman lab link. I will check into that as well. Once I chat up my brother again I will come back & reply to you with additional info from his conversation. I was at a pool party for my son the day he was talking about it & didn't get any notes to recall specifics.
Edit-Just read an article about Fausman. That is some incredibly interesting stuff.
Faustman Lab is the real deal. But she doesn't identify the immediate trigger for the disease, just the mechanics of why the body succumbs, and how the body gets that way. But if you separately search for type 1 diabetes and clusters, you'll find interesting articles about outbreaks of t1, which defies the whole genetic/immunocompromised angle. I only found the mebendazole thing recently. I've had t1 for 30 years and always been following the potential cures. Let me know about the chiropractic treatment when you learn.
I read an article about her research, it was really great.
Here is a link to a LONG vid from Dr. Lonnie Herman. I will respond after chatting with my brother. I have rabbit holed for too long today LoL I would love to dig more.
https://youtu.be/zK8E5MMW9_o
I have not tried this. I'm only on 200mg of zinc and vitamin c w 2000iu vitamin d daily as a best practice type thing. Have not taken IVM yet (neigh!) nor really explored Quinine AT ALL.
Thank you for the heads up; as we type 1s often note any substantial changes to insulin levels, that's obviously a very interesting observation by you.
Since I've got your ear, care to elaborate on the Quinine dosage / reasoning / etc. Also, I'm pretty sure 200mg of zinc + vitamin c could be "upped?" Supplemental nutrition is definitely a weak point of mine. TIA.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08QVBK2NQ/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_0KZJJ11YWHGA9SGCQETX is the one I used (went liquid initially since I figured it is likely to absorb better) & picked it up after someone on this forum (or maybe TD on reddit/.win) let me know that HQC was a derived from Quinine. They claimed they worked in a lab & I figured it couldn't hurt to try.
I also use Zinc Maxx by Gannon Med, I have tried other cheaper ones & found that this one just works for me. It is Zinc Gluconate 50mg. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0863NNPH4/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_1Y4QVF42S7KQY1NFYTSE?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I figured the FDA likely limited "suggested dosages" in supplements to a point that they are not effective from what I had seen in other studies related to Vit D & Vit C.
When I got a head cold, I did the suggested quinine dosage 3 times per day (which was three times the amount) & took 300-400mg of Zinc.
I had later discovered that zinc depletes copper & that was causing some post concussion issues to resurface, so I added more copper when I went on high dosages. I also noticed that my skin cleared up starting a few days into treatment at those levels.
At this point, if I get a wound that won't heal up, or start to feel gross I take 300-400mg of Zinc with 2 droppers filled with Quinine & that helps quide a bit by the next morning with cold symptoms & I will keep going it for skin issues until wounds go away, for really stubborn wounds that just won't heal up I take it morning & night (dealing with nasuea in the day for a few hours occassionally. It makes me think I may have a perpetual low zinc issue from cells using it all the time to fight diabetes or something else.
Quinine is an ionophore which as best I understand it works for zinc like insulin works for sugar. It just let's the zinc get into the cells.
Zinc & this Quinine knocks out the crappy cold feeling within 24 hours (usually 12) & then I have normal congestion that clears up much faster. As a T1D these would stay with me for 30%-50% longer than my non diabetic family members, so this has been a game changer for me.
If I use Queceritine instead of Quinine I have not noticed a difference in insulin need, though it does help with enough vitamin C to get that zinc into my system. Also Vitamin C is water soluble, so as I have come to understand it, that goes right through you. I went from 10k daily in a single dose to five to six 2k doses & that seems to do better for my overall health through the day, though that may just be in my head so I believe it, I can't really pinpoint why it feels better.
Also I found in a book from an Indian Dr that all diabetics are vitamin D deficient. Once I paid attention to it, my sugars in the summer (even laying in a hammock with no shirt) dropped significantly. More so with work obviously, but a noted difference in insulin need when I spend 8+ hours in the sun lazily or not. So I take 40k Vitamin D daily too. I can give you the link to that book if you like, it had some interesting info & an experience in my 20s (10 years after being diagnosed) has me convinced we can reverse this thing if we know what we are doing (ie not just a fluke that our insulin needs drop). I didn't really connect those dots until I read this book & realized everything he noted I did during a summer gig on a farm in a small town for an entire summer. It is what has me searching for ways to decrease insulin need (which now I have a few & am excited to look over your info).
Thanks for the conversation. Please feel free to hit me up with any new data or if you are looking for clarification.
Excellent data. Thanks for the wall of text, seriously. I'm always on the go, but I'm legitimately going to print this thread out for reference. I feel it's that important to me. All of the dosage and interaction information is stuff I've seen in different threads here, but never wrapped my head around Having it presented specifically for a t1 is an invaluable cheat sheet for me.
Couple things. Of course I'd like the book title! My much smarter, more nutrition savvy wife has also hinted at me about her suspicion on a "cure", so to speak, in the realm of natural medicine. As I said, I'm printing this out to peruse in depth - it appears you may have dropped the title in another reply. I'll see.
The vitamin d deficiency also anecdotally makes sense for me. Tons of observable data about my relative glucose levels versus time in sun. Easy to measure as I'm in Florida.
The wound care stuff is SUPER interesting as well.
Just a ton here. Got a soup about to boil over, g2g. Enormous sincere thanks to both yourself and u/Mr_A You have to feel like God gave us a test run for this vaccine bullshit, yes?
edit: printed. thanks again.
https://a.co/fJgp7wf
Diabetes Type 1 & 2 Cure in 72 hours is the name of the book.
You are very welcome. Covid has been a God send to me. So much valuable data that helps me with overall wellness & if this exosome (spell check) theory is accurate, it could be diabetes & other illness is caused primarily by lack of nutrition to defend against parasites.
Indont know how much I accept that theory, though the use of anti paracitics & my drop in needed insulin does give me reason to think there could be a connection.
You're the best.
Thanks for the compliment, I think many are better.
Though I am happy to pass along what I have personally observed to anyone it might help.
FYI- you mentioned FDA guidelines for vitamins being misleading/worthless. Whenever I want to research anything about vitamins or supplements, I always check the Linus Pauling Institute as a good source. https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/
Thank you! I will need to look into it.
Thank you for such an interesting post. This treatment flies in the face of the ridicule President Trump received for musing that disinfecting the lungs could be an interesting approach to treating covid. Naturally it was spun that he suggested inhaling bleach, instead of commenting on the the effectiveness of an oxidizer as a potential treatment.
The reality is chlorine bleach and hydrogen peroxide are both powerful oxidizers. Hydrogen peroxide breaks down into water and oxygen making it a suitable treatment.
I think Trump saved countless lives with the HCL push. I bet plenty took it as a prophylactic and will never know that it helped.
Anyone got a link of where to buy ?
Most major pharmacies will have everything in stock. First aid section. Ask at counter for the nebulizer.
Theres not much that can counter act a lifetime of bad decisions. IE overweight, out of shape, winded going to the fridge, diabetes etc etc.
Clean up your life, eat right, drink lots of water, get outside.
Uh... Type 1 diabetes is different from type 2, but whatever. Not overweight / out of shape. But it is a comorbidity.
I like to call it "real diabetes".
Wasnt really directing that anyone, just basing off the typical pre-existing conditions. Many have no issues at all with covid, most nevre knew they even had it. But those with certain pre existing conditions do have some issues, and theres not much that can be done about a lifetime of poor decisions in a very short term fix.
That's cool. Yes, this post is really for a small subset of people. Most people won't need it, which is a good thing.
But I've seen a bunch of those posts lately, especially regarding relatives of people here. This is something quick, highly effective, cheap, doctor-endorsed, and without a scary 🐎 on the box. A great kit to take to your scared normie mom or cousin, who might give it a shot before heading to the hospital to get swept up by harmful hospital rules.
Absolutely, any and all help is greatly appreciated.
FWIW, when I'm feeling cynical and thinking like an asshole, I think the same thing you said. It's not untrue. Unfortunate, but not untrue.
Doesn't really work in this scenario.
I A1C U, and will definitely be saving this post. 🙏
Check the comments by HonestBobbin on this thread, too.
Great addition, thank you.
I wasn't smart enough to do this.
I appreciate all these posts. But I also suggest finding a good homeopathic doc. I don't have to make decisions by myself, or worry about doses etc.