Hey my own wife is a bit closed minded to this stuff due to being brainwashed by her hospital and CNN, and my own parents. You can only Red Pill so much without burning bridges. The rest of the Red Pilling will just have to kick their teeth out, and not coming from you. Just chill, keep calm, and hold the line Patriot. Our country’s near death is coming. Let’s see if that awakens them. Just keep in mind, The End Won’t Be For Everyone. God bless you Anon.
You are on the right and straight path now my friend. Christ our Lord is with you. You would have not disclosed what you did without seeking answers or encouragement, before asking forgiveness. So ask Him for forgiveness and move forward. You are a good Patriot and Anon my friend. Where We Go One, We Go All, together.
I feel for you Magistra. Every smart person I know, and I know plenty in real life, had moments of PURE RETARDATION during Fauxvid-19. I still shake my head, they're STILL DOING IT. 99.9 percent recovery!!!! Can no-one READ????
In the minds of these people.. there is a big hill they have to climb mentally, to confront what they have done and what is going on. If they really have poisoned not just themselves, but also their children at the behest of monsters who want them dead..
Lacking the fortitude to climb that hill and confront their biases is the problem. Maybe it will take a death of a close friend or family member to snap them out of it. Maybe it will be all the 'mysterious death' articles that finally does it.
So you are a coach to a person who refuses to move, who wont make that climb.. a hard job to be sure but the alternative in doing nothing is worse. Praying for your strength and resolve.
Can I ask for some advice here? I’ve already burned several bridges. I had a friend of decades text me last night saying “Please Respond! I don’t know what to think of your silence...”
The thing is she refuses to respond to me when I show her irrefutable evidence or ask very pointed and uncomfortable questions. Occasionally she’ll say “We should talk about this in person.” Which will NEVER happen. Or she jokingly tells me she doesn’t know whether to laugh or cry at my statements.
I realized through all of this that these people don’t love and trust me the way I assumed they did... they way I love them.
I love her dearly, but I just can’t keep pouring out my soul just to be belittled. What do you guys do???
I'll tell you what I told my kids as they were going thru highschool and having the same difficulties. Yes, this still applies because there's buttload of adults who never got this told to them.
Life is full of people you'll meet, some are good and some are bad and some float in between. People tend to call other people they think are good, "Friends". Thing is, people use the word "Friend" too easily to describe someone who's just a good acquaintance, not a real friend. You see, an actual friend would never demean or belittle you, never lie or take advantage of you, and never put you in a situation they wouldn't like to be in themselves. If any of your "Friends" have done that to you, they aren't a friend...they're just someone who fooled you into thinking they were. Learn to key in on the things those types who would take advantage of you for their own selfish reasons. When you get good at it, you'll realize that there's very few people in the world you can actually call a true friend. Hold onto them and support them and they will reciprocate, no matter what's going on or for what reasons....they'll stick by you. Those who don't were never a friend at all...
Words of wisdom and exactly what I have been saying for years. People do not know what a friend is and they confuse it with acquaintances - just as you stated. To have but one friend in a lifetime is a true blessing. When I think of real friendship I think of David and Jonathan in the Bible. Friends are not with you for what they can get from you beyond just the friendship. Friends are genuinely concerned in the welfare of the other and it is a two way reciprocal relationship - not lopsided with one party doing all the giving and work. You are right. If you are lucky enough to have that kind of friendship, guard it and cherish it because that is true treasure.
First don’t take it personal. It’s not about you, so leave the ego behind. Keep it to yourself or to others who think like you. You e got a great community here. Make simple statements and allow them to ask questions when the time comes. People haven’t had access to the information we have, spent the hours reading, and many don’t have time or desire to dig. When things start happening, you’ll have the answers. Be patient. Don’t let their plan to divide work. Be her best friend. In the end, family and frens are what matters!
Perfect attitude! Don’t let them divide y’all. You married her for a reason, get back to that. It took awhile to convince my BF. When I stopped talking about it (bc it was causing tensions) and just started preparing, his curiosity led to questions which allowed for open communication. When he would ask at first, I’d say “oh I’m just stocking up bc I hate the grocery or I need a winter project like gardening”. Eventually he started digging on his own. Now, we’re totally on the same page. Once their eyes open, they can’t shut them and they want to know everything. We’ve all been there. Some will be the vax, some inflation, my sister was SCOTUS. So, do your thing. Vent here. Go get seeds and pots and start your garden. BUT don’t let them win!
All of what you do and say echoes what I do in my own life with my family, friends, and also my “friends”
Better to ask questions and spark their interest and curiosity, rather than hit them over the head with factual information and evidence—they will inquire about about that soon enough.
Stay strong out there, because there will be those who need our help when this all comes to light.
Exactly! It’s to the point that our efforts have to be focused on knowledge and preparing. It will come to light and at that point they’ll be looking for answers!
Don't talk about it with them. They dont want to hear it. We aren't doing them any favors shoving it down their throats. Live and let live. Be the example. Not a mouth piece.
Another tip is to learn the art of remaining neutral. I have leftist friends I can totaly get along with because Im so good at remaining neutral.
Its not my true stance, and they know that, but I am able to see their point of view, or at least a neutral one, and pivot the conversation from there.
Them: "What do you think about Ukraine?"
Me: "both sides are garbage."
Them: "Fair point"
Vs
Me: "Putin is a white hat here to save us and Ukraine sells babies to global sex trafficking rings underground huurrrrraahh."
A little dramatic but thats really how we can come off with this stuff.
Perhaps you should reevaluate what it is you’re actually trying to share with your friend. If you really want to red pill them, I would stick with one topic in particular. Provide information on that one topic and hope you get through to them. Decide in advance which topic that will be, and don’t overdo it.
Also I would make an effort to meet with this person face-to-face, and not discuss anything controversial, nothing about politics or Covid or anything of the sort. Agree in advance that he will just enjoy each other‘s presence. Talk about your hobbies, your families, maybe share a cute cat video. I’m not sure what you’re interested in, but there’s got to be something that thought you should gather as friends in the first place; that has nothing to do with politics or world affairs.
You can’t force people to wake up. If you value the friendship, and you feel it’s worth the time, then invest in just that. Just a friendship. As you show love and compassion, and lay off all the propaganda stuff, they may see a difference in you, and let their guard down. Right now they feel threatened, because you’re pushing their bully system.
The cognitive Dissonance is strong. MkUltra is a strong drug. You’re questioning her reality, and they are fearful of that. You’re literally trying to open her mind to the truth, so she can wake up and see reality. However, from her point of you… You are a threat.
Get back to being friends again, feeling confident in that friendship, and working slowly on this person.
I learned a long time ago that the right to be right, it’s not worth losing a friendship over. Or a relationship over. Yes there are times when truth is truth, and you have to stand on that truth. However current affairs, and ideologies, are different for each person. Tread lightly!
Yes, good advice. I did that very suggestion with her, meticulously sharing only factual covid/virus related stuff, starting in March of 2020.
But by January of 2021 politics did creep in because it was so obvious the virus was being politicized. The statements coming out of her mouth were shocking to me.
Her thinking is very rigid and I’m quite certain that she will never come around. I’ve slowly come to accept it is what it is, in these last couple of months. But rather than lose my friend permanently, I will keep it simple and go back to the things that drew us together in the first place.
Thank you EVERYONE. Thank you for letting me share and for helping me to see things through a more loving, accepting and compassionate perspective.
Understand that these people only follow The Majority. It doesn't matter what The Majority says or does. The fact that The Majority believes it is all that matters.
The MSM News is the voice of The Majority, so that's why these people listen to them without question.
Nothing terrifies someone like your brother more than being cut off and left behind by The Majority. The Majority - The Herd - is where they feel safe, and they'll do anything to stay there. Including cut off anyone who doesn't believe what The Majority believes. Like you.
I feel your pain. Most of my family is blind. Half are liberals and half are brainwashed conservatives who by into the MSM narratives. Bide your time. Prep. Do the things you need to and keep up with your receipts. One day, hopefully soon there will be openings for people to see and hear reason and face the truth.
A word of advice. Which I can tell you already know from these comments but I still feel the need to reinerate.
Don't talk about it with them. They dont want to hear it. We aren't doing them any favors shoving it down their throats. Live and let live. Be the example. Not a mouth piece.
Another tip is to learn the art of remaining neutral. I have leftist friends I can totaly get along with because Im so good at remaining neutral.
Its not my true stance, and they know that, but I am able to see their point of view, or at least a neutral one, and pivot the conversation from there.
Them: "What do you think about Ukraine?"
Me: "both sides are garbage."
Them: "Fair point"
Vs
Me: "Putin is a white hat here to save us and Ukraine sells child sex slaves underground huurrrr!!!"
A little dramatic but thats really how we can come off with this stuff.
Its better to tell them things in a way normies can relate too, and not the full naked thruth. Or not bother them at all. Everything will be alright in the end. Have faith in that. And focus on yourself.
That's being disingenuous as a friend.
Let's say they asked you a question because they valued the friendship and respected your opinions, therefore, they wanted an honest answer. Yet, you gave them a politician's non-answer, typical of a fence-riding, compliant, whimsical, person with no true convictions. If anything, this would foster less trust.
Don't be so agreeable either. Challenge your relationships and mature with the relationships that are left. You don't need 100+ Facebook friends as your IRL friends. You don't have to share the "extremes" of the truth either. Just don't shut down a conversation with "both sides are garbage" and not expound on it.
You misunderstand me. I do feel like both sides are garbage. However, I think Putin is a thorn in the side of globalism. Id say that too if the convo went further.
I do tell them the truth. I just don't bombard them with it. Im willing to debate from the center, they know how I really feel.
If I can at least get them center of the MSM narrative, then thats big.
I don't have many friends. I have a handful of very close friends.
I respect them enough to treat them like adults and not preach at them like I am all knowing. (We could all very well be wrong. We must humble ourselves.)
And lastly. Some of them really hate politics. It just, stresses them out. They dont have to hear it. Im not here to save them. Thats gods work.
Spam texting your brother Q conspiracies when they dont even bring it up and probably dont have the mental energy to hear it because we all have lives going on, is toxic. No matter how right you are. Even if its the vaccine.
You can make your peace and warn them 100% (I have) but don't constantly beat them over it. Accept their adult decision, respect their wishes and move on to enjoy the time we do have together. As youd want them to do the same.
Ii is hard, to let go and let them make their own choices, I know. The right thing isn't easy.
I agree that ultimately we all can exercise our freedoms to make our own decisions but little do we know how much our decisions have already been tainted with outside influences. Can we be the good influences to balance the evil influences that our loved ones are exposed to daily?
Let's say you believe the vaccines are bad but you didn't bother to inform your brother. He decides to give his adult fully informed consent to getting the vaccine after being "inform" by Big Pharma and their friends. What if he was a healthcare worker and injected it into hundreds of others fully unaware of the consequences?
Perhaps similar would be a friend content on becoming a mercenary and flying over to Ukraine to fight for a cause that they were duped into believing in.
Personally, I think you're being to direct. In their third post, they already accused you of being a radical. Continuing to provide information after that, will only enforce their beliefs, even if we on this site agree with you.
However, once they start questioning things on their own, expect them to come back looking for answers.
Hey my own wife is a bit closed minded to this stuff due to being brainwashed by her hospital and CNN, and my own parents. You can only Red Pill so much without burning bridges. The rest of the Red Pilling will just have to kick their teeth out, and not coming from you. Just chill, keep calm, and hold the line Patriot. Our country’s near death is coming. Let’s see if that awakens them. Just keep in mind, The End Won’t Be For Everyone. God bless you Anon.
You are on the right and straight path now my friend. Christ our Lord is with you. You would have not disclosed what you did without seeking answers or encouragement, before asking forgiveness. So ask Him for forgiveness and move forward. You are a good Patriot and Anon my friend. Where We Go One, We Go All, together.
Well said!
Sometimes you have to turn over a few tables.. Hmm. reminds me of some one :)
I feel for you Magistra. Every smart person I know, and I know plenty in real life, had moments of PURE RETARDATION during Fauxvid-19. I still shake my head, they're STILL DOING IT. 99.9 percent recovery!!!! Can no-one READ????
In the minds of these people.. there is a big hill they have to climb mentally, to confront what they have done and what is going on. If they really have poisoned not just themselves, but also their children at the behest of monsters who want them dead..
Lacking the fortitude to climb that hill and confront their biases is the problem. Maybe it will take a death of a close friend or family member to snap them out of it. Maybe it will be all the 'mysterious death' articles that finally does it.
So you are a coach to a person who refuses to move, who wont make that climb.. a hard job to be sure but the alternative in doing nothing is worse. Praying for your strength and resolve.
So so true. Of course.
I’ve been wondering about the whole duality thing. Dark/Light Good vs. Evil It’s always going to be there, isn’t it?
Can I ask for some advice here? I’ve already burned several bridges. I had a friend of decades text me last night saying “Please Respond! I don’t know what to think of your silence...”
The thing is she refuses to respond to me when I show her irrefutable evidence or ask very pointed and uncomfortable questions. Occasionally she’ll say “We should talk about this in person.” Which will NEVER happen. Or she jokingly tells me she doesn’t know whether to laugh or cry at my statements.
I realized through all of this that these people don’t love and trust me the way I assumed they did... they way I love them.
I love her dearly, but I just can’t keep pouring out my soul just to be belittled. What do you guys do???
I'll tell you what I told my kids as they were going thru highschool and having the same difficulties. Yes, this still applies because there's buttload of adults who never got this told to them.
Life is full of people you'll meet, some are good and some are bad and some float in between. People tend to call other people they think are good, "Friends". Thing is, people use the word "Friend" too easily to describe someone who's just a good acquaintance, not a real friend. You see, an actual friend would never demean or belittle you, never lie or take advantage of you, and never put you in a situation they wouldn't like to be in themselves. If any of your "Friends" have done that to you, they aren't a friend...they're just someone who fooled you into thinking they were. Learn to key in on the things those types who would take advantage of you for their own selfish reasons. When you get good at it, you'll realize that there's very few people in the world you can actually call a true friend. Hold onto them and support them and they will reciprocate, no matter what's going on or for what reasons....they'll stick by you. Those who don't were never a friend at all...
Thank you. What you say is all true.
Painful but true.
Words of wisdom and exactly what I have been saying for years. People do not know what a friend is and they confuse it with acquaintances - just as you stated. To have but one friend in a lifetime is a true blessing. When I think of real friendship I think of David and Jonathan in the Bible. Friends are not with you for what they can get from you beyond just the friendship. Friends are genuinely concerned in the welfare of the other and it is a two way reciprocal relationship - not lopsided with one party doing all the giving and work. You are right. If you are lucky enough to have that kind of friendship, guard it and cherish it because that is true treasure.
First don’t take it personal. It’s not about you, so leave the ego behind. Keep it to yourself or to others who think like you. You e got a great community here. Make simple statements and allow them to ask questions when the time comes. People haven’t had access to the information we have, spent the hours reading, and many don’t have time or desire to dig. When things start happening, you’ll have the answers. Be patient. Don’t let their plan to divide work. Be her best friend. In the end, family and frens are what matters!
You’re 100% correct, they ARE trying to divide us and it’s working, just as planned.
I’ve decided to never talk about politics or viruses with her ever again. I’m done.
Well talk about gardening 🌺
Perfect attitude! Don’t let them divide y’all. You married her for a reason, get back to that. It took awhile to convince my BF. When I stopped talking about it (bc it was causing tensions) and just started preparing, his curiosity led to questions which allowed for open communication. When he would ask at first, I’d say “oh I’m just stocking up bc I hate the grocery or I need a winter project like gardening”. Eventually he started digging on his own. Now, we’re totally on the same page. Once their eyes open, they can’t shut them and they want to know everything. We’ve all been there. Some will be the vax, some inflation, my sister was SCOTUS. So, do your thing. Vent here. Go get seeds and pots and start your garden. BUT don’t let them win!
All of what you do and say echoes what I do in my own life with my family, friends, and also my “friends”
Better to ask questions and spark their interest and curiosity, rather than hit them over the head with factual information and evidence—they will inquire about about that soon enough.
Stay strong out there, because there will be those who need our help when this all comes to light.
Exactly! It’s to the point that our efforts have to be focused on knowledge and preparing. It will come to light and at that point they’ll be looking for answers!
Don't talk about it with them. They dont want to hear it. We aren't doing them any favors shoving it down their throats. Live and let live. Be the example. Not a mouth piece.
Another tip is to learn the art of remaining neutral. I have leftist friends I can totaly get along with because Im so good at remaining neutral.
Its not my true stance, and they know that, but I am able to see their point of view, or at least a neutral one, and pivot the conversation from there.
Them: "What do you think about Ukraine?"
Me: "both sides are garbage."
Them: "Fair point"
Vs
Me: "Putin is a white hat here to save us and Ukraine sells babies to global sex trafficking rings underground huurrrrraahh."
A little dramatic but thats really how we can come off with this stuff.
Thank you for your kind and profound words of Truth 🥰
Can I come meditate with you? 🙏🏻😇😅
Perhaps you should reevaluate what it is you’re actually trying to share with your friend. If you really want to red pill them, I would stick with one topic in particular. Provide information on that one topic and hope you get through to them. Decide in advance which topic that will be, and don’t overdo it.
Also I would make an effort to meet with this person face-to-face, and not discuss anything controversial, nothing about politics or Covid or anything of the sort. Agree in advance that he will just enjoy each other‘s presence. Talk about your hobbies, your families, maybe share a cute cat video. I’m not sure what you’re interested in, but there’s got to be something that thought you should gather as friends in the first place; that has nothing to do with politics or world affairs.
You can’t force people to wake up. If you value the friendship, and you feel it’s worth the time, then invest in just that. Just a friendship. As you show love and compassion, and lay off all the propaganda stuff, they may see a difference in you, and let their guard down. Right now they feel threatened, because you’re pushing their bully system.
The cognitive Dissonance is strong. MkUltra is a strong drug. You’re questioning her reality, and they are fearful of that. You’re literally trying to open her mind to the truth, so she can wake up and see reality. However, from her point of you… You are a threat.
Get back to being friends again, feeling confident in that friendship, and working slowly on this person.
I learned a long time ago that the right to be right, it’s not worth losing a friendship over. Or a relationship over. Yes there are times when truth is truth, and you have to stand on that truth. However current affairs, and ideologies, are different for each person. Tread lightly!
Above all love as Christ with love!
Yes, good advice. I did that very suggestion with her, meticulously sharing only factual covid/virus related stuff, starting in March of 2020.
But by January of 2021 politics did creep in because it was so obvious the virus was being politicized. The statements coming out of her mouth were shocking to me.
Her thinking is very rigid and I’m quite certain that she will never come around. I’ve slowly come to accept it is what it is, in these last couple of months. But rather than lose my friend permanently, I will keep it simple and go back to the things that drew us together in the first place.
Thank you EVERYONE. Thank you for letting me share and for helping me to see things through a more loving, accepting and compassionate perspective.
🐸 You are welcome FREN!
Understand that these people only follow The Majority. It doesn't matter what The Majority says or does. The fact that The Majority believes it is all that matters.
The MSM News is the voice of The Majority, so that's why these people listen to them without question.
Nothing terrifies someone like your brother more than being cut off and left behind by The Majority. The Majority - The Herd - is where they feel safe, and they'll do anything to stay there. Including cut off anyone who doesn't believe what The Majority believes. Like you.
You can clearly see who is still a part of the matrix
It’s sooooo obvious.
Omg we just had a blow out argument on the boosters. I’m getting frustrated. This movie needs to end soon.
You have to let them walk their path, wrong as it is.
I feel your pain. Most of my family is blind. Half are liberals and half are brainwashed conservatives who by into the MSM narratives. Bide your time. Prep. Do the things you need to and keep up with your receipts. One day, hopefully soon there will be openings for people to see and hear reason and face the truth.
A word of advice. Which I can tell you already know from these comments but I still feel the need to reinerate.
Don't talk about it with them. They dont want to hear it. We aren't doing them any favors shoving it down their throats. Live and let live. Be the example. Not a mouth piece.
Another tip is to learn the art of remaining neutral. I have leftist friends I can totaly get along with because Im so good at remaining neutral.
Its not my true stance, and they know that, but I am able to see their point of view, or at least a neutral one, and pivot the conversation from there.
Them: "What do you think about Ukraine?"
Me: "both sides are garbage."
Them: "Fair point"
Vs
Me: "Putin is a white hat here to save us and Ukraine sells child sex slaves underground huurrrr!!!"
A little dramatic but thats really how we can come off with this stuff.
Its better to tell them things in a way normies can relate too, and not the full naked thruth. Or not bother them at all. Everything will be alright in the end. Have faith in that. And focus on yourself.
That's being disingenuous as a friend. Let's say they asked you a question because they valued the friendship and respected your opinions, therefore, they wanted an honest answer. Yet, you gave them a politician's non-answer, typical of a fence-riding, compliant, whimsical, person with no true convictions. If anything, this would foster less trust. Don't be so agreeable either. Challenge your relationships and mature with the relationships that are left. You don't need 100+ Facebook friends as your IRL friends. You don't have to share the "extremes" of the truth either. Just don't shut down a conversation with "both sides are garbage" and not expound on it.
You misunderstand me. I do feel like both sides are garbage. However, I think Putin is a thorn in the side of globalism. Id say that too if the convo went further.
I do tell them the truth. I just don't bombard them with it. Im willing to debate from the center, they know how I really feel.
If I can at least get them center of the MSM narrative, then thats big.
I don't have many friends. I have a handful of very close friends.
I respect them enough to treat them like adults and not preach at them like I am all knowing. (We could all very well be wrong. We must humble ourselves.)
And lastly. Some of them really hate politics. It just, stresses them out. They dont have to hear it. Im not here to save them. Thats gods work.
Spam texting your brother Q conspiracies when they dont even bring it up and probably dont have the mental energy to hear it because we all have lives going on, is toxic. No matter how right you are. Even if its the vaccine.
You can make your peace and warn them 100% (I have) but don't constantly beat them over it. Accept their adult decision, respect their wishes and move on to enjoy the time we do have together. As youd want them to do the same.
Ii is hard, to let go and let them make their own choices, I know. The right thing isn't easy.
I agree that ultimately we all can exercise our freedoms to make our own decisions but little do we know how much our decisions have already been tainted with outside influences. Can we be the good influences to balance the evil influences that our loved ones are exposed to daily?
Let's say you believe the vaccines are bad but you didn't bother to inform your brother. He decides to give his adult fully informed consent to getting the vaccine after being "inform" by Big Pharma and their friends. What if he was a healthcare worker and injected it into hundreds of others fully unaware of the consequences?
Perhaps similar would be a friend content on becoming a mercenary and flying over to Ukraine to fight for a cause that they were duped into believing in.
Wise words indeed. This is the way.
First I find out their opinion on building 7. If they don’t have one/don’t know what I’m talking about, they’re not ready.
They need to be eased into these types of conversations and it starts with facts from the not so distance past.
Personally, I think you're being to direct. In their third post, they already accused you of being a radical. Continuing to provide information after that, will only enforce their beliefs, even if we on this site agree with you.
However, once they start questioning things on their own, expect them to come back looking for answers.
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Good luck.
This is a fantastic tread
Good for you indeed. I know it's frustrating. Keep your head up. WWG1WGA