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posted ago by TangerineShine ago by TangerineShine +34 / -0

We are both in our thirties. My brother gained an incredible understanding of politics at a young age. He is VERY ANTI WOKE, to this day.

He’s always had a full time job, often 40-60 hrs weekly. Single guy, no children. Very upset about the stolen 2020 election, he was convinced we were going to civil war, like HOT war. Stopped working completely about 7 months ago.

He hates the idea of any type of work. Huge ego problem. No longer takes accountability. He stopped all drinking about 3 months ago. I was hoping we might see improvement. He has now achieved, what I believe to be his “final hollow form”. He sucks all joy from the room. He finds pleasure in absolutely nothing. He plays video games but he doesn’t even seem to enjoy those much anymore.

This is a guy who deeply understands the conversations between Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris. He had an INCREDIBLE wealth of self help knowledge. He has rehabilitated two very close friends with severe drug issues, years apart. Both success stories, not outstanding guys, but both turned their lives around.

He is also a huge fan of Jocko (if you’re not familiar, check him out. Legend has it he didn’t want to fill out any paperwork when his service with the SEAL team was up, he just left, end of story).

Today he helped me with a job. Standing near him was unfamiliar. I felt like I was standing next to a stranger. My brother and I were mostly inseparable until our 20’s. I know my brother better than anyone and it wasn’t him. It looked like him but his presence was spooky. I was actually looking forward to time with him today.

My mother, who had to drive him over (since he decided he no longer needs a vehicle) said she also was super disturbed by his presence today. She sobbed nearly half the car ride.

I’m a grown ass man. Being in the presence of my brother had me on the verge of a mental breakdown. He will not allow joy in his presence. He is a master at manipulating any situation into a miserable experience.

If this isn’t demonic possession, I’d greatly appreciate insight or input as to what you may believe we are witnessing.

JESUS CHRIST IS KING!!!!!

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dirtypaperplate 12 points ago +12 / -0

He needs his vitamin/mineral status checked.

Might be low b12 or low vitamin D.

Seriously. Do not ignore this. Personality changes are a big red flag. Get him help.

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CanadianAnon 5 points ago +5 / -0

Concussions also produce personality alterations, sometimes quite severe. I agree with dirtypaperplate here, though, in him getting help. Nevertheless, I would dissuade you from going the psychiatry route due to the drug dependence it requires.

All this being said, with everything going on in this day and age, what I normally would have discounted as possession I can no longer rule out. All I do know is that everything I DID know has all been turned on its end.

I am sorry for your dilemma. Good luck. I hope you and your brother come through this alright.

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dirtypaperplate 5 points ago +5 / -0

I would dissuade you from going the psychiatry route due to the drug dependence it requires.

YUP, totally agree. I was given psych meds instead of bloodwork which would have revealed my EXTREMELY LOW b12 and iron which can manifest as depression and other symptoms.

If its a psychiatric thing, it started with a nutritional deficiency I can almost guarantee it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nllc5CNryhk

Concussions also produce personality alterations, sometimes quite severe.

This is a REALLY good point. I hope OP will ask his/her brother if he's fallen or been hit.

Reminds me of a story...

There's a guy who was shot and brought in for questioning...the officer interviewing this guy didnt realize the "suspect" had been shot through the eye and head. He was behaving very strange. Near the end of the interview the investigator FINALLY takes notice of the guys face and is like...omg youre shot in the head! Yeah no wonder homeboy was acting goofy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qMcCXOnEYY

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TangerineShine [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I’m VERY anti psychotropic drug. It almost ended my marriage and I don’t believe in divorce.

I cannot allow Globohomo to pump my family full of their chemicals.

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dirtypaperplate 1 point ago +1 / -0

I’m VERY anti psychotropic drug. It almost ended my marriage and I don’t believe in divorce.

Same! You Catholic?

This is why I stress nutritional deficiencies! So many people go to a psychiatrist for problems caused by low b12, iron, D, etc. Of course the drugs they push will only mask symptoms of that deficiency and even create NEW deficiencies.

I responded to you in another part of this thread and I forgot to add something about b12:

Vitamin b12 deficiency and mental health

Deficiency of Vitamin B12 can result in hematological changes, neurological and psychiatric problems, which can manifest as irritability, changes in personality, depression, and memory loss [9]. It is also known to worsen depression by excitotoxic reactions caused by the accumulation of homocysteine [10].

See what I mean? Your brother could simply need a $10 bottle of b12 or vitamin D. Please don't despair just yet. There's still several things to rule out.

Also, coming off alcohol, you need to put the vitamin B1 back. Sorry if I'm repeating myself.

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TangerineShine [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

My parents have offered EVERYTHING. Outpatient, inpatient, teletherapy, any form of help.

He’s a grown, very capable young man. We even staged an intervention and trapped him at a friends house months ago. He didn’t speak to me for weeks. He stopped drinking but was very mad at me.

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dirtypaperplate 2 points ago +2 / -0

How long did he drink heavily? Years?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cHdcDjOWQk

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dirtypaperplate 2 points ago +2 / -0

Has anyone suggested or asked about nutritional deficiencies?

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TangerineShine [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I believe this is very possible. I can’t imagine checking in every day to see if he’s taken his vitamins. I’m not shitting on your response, my response has been the same to most.

I feel like it’s the old “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink” to which I add, “and maybe it’s time to take a step back when the only solution that comes to mind is drowning the horse”

I will however say, if I suggest this to my mother, she might work really hard with him to get his nutrition on track. I hate to leave it in her hands but she has a wealth of time compared to me.

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dirtypaperplate 3 points ago +3 / -0

Diet alone can't fix some deficiencies. I would kindly suggest to him that if he feels depressed that he should get his vitamin D and b12 looked at. Maybe a full work up. If he's just mad at you, okay fine, but if his personality is changing or he's noticed himself withdrawn, it could be low D. It so common and the hospitals won't generally tell people about this.

I'd tell my own brother that he doesnt even have to talk to me but please listen and please consider a nutritional deficiency. People would be very understanding as, for example, b1 or b12 deficiency is debilitating.

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TangerineShine [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I’ve relayed the vitamin deficiency info to my mother. She finds some hope in this.

He doesn’t leave his house often but yesterday he told me he was enjoying the warm spring weather. He said “this is the weather I’ve been waiting for”, it was the most positive thing I’ve heard him say in months, maybe years now.

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dirtypaperplate 1 point ago +1 / -0

He doesn’t leave his house often

If I was a betting person, I'd put my money on low vitamin D

She finds some hope in this.

GOOD! That's why I take the time to share! There is hope. If you haven't ruled out nutritional deficiencies, you all have every reason to hold out hope. Low vitamin D is debilitating.

Message me any time if you all make headway on his nutrition.

One idea: you could both order vitamin D panels online and go in person together and find out what both your levels are. Kinda fun? Take your mom too. If anyone is low, take the bloodwork to your doctor. https://questdirect.questdiagnostics.com/products/vitamin-d-test/e6a0a760-1ad7-430c-8a9e-b685bc793ba0

Also, learn about proper supplementation - https://www.youtube.com/c/DrEricBergDC/search?query=vitamin%20D

For example, D needs K2 and magnesium. Low D can also cause low calcium and then here come the cavities and osteopenia.

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Rainspa 2 points ago +2 / -0

Who is feeding him? Is he eating at your Mother's table?

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TangerineShine [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

He is feeding himself. He recently decided he did not need a car so he walks to the grocery store a mile away from his house.

He eats mostly low carb meals. He drinks Diet Pepsi by the gallon. I’d estimate 3-10 cans a day depending on his stock. I’m certain it is contributing but even at his absolute best he was a Diet Pepsi fiend.

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dirtypaperplate 1 point ago +1 / -0

Chronic aspartame intake causes changes in the trans-sulphuration pathway, glutathione depletion and liver damage in mice - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5300302/

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identiynill 8 points ago +8 / -0

I've been sober for three years, and I can almost guarantee you your brother is miserable because he's newly sober. Happens ALL the time. It took me two years before I wasn't a miserable prick anymore. Wish I had advice to give, but I just had to learn to be happy again.

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Wtf_socialismreally 6 points ago +6 / -0

Also a pretty trash time to sober up in regards to the mental burden of what we're seeing.

It's bleak, it seems like there's no hope, there's always something worse around the corner and there is no escaping back to normal day to day life where we don't worry about something world ending every 5 seconds.

Doesn't sound possessed... Sounds like a lack of hope, with some lashing out on top out of repressed fear and hopelessness.

I've been there before I decided that I would fight and rage against the machine when and if it is time.

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BigMikesSaggyBaggins 2 points ago +2 / -0

I was going to say something along the lines of what you said. Between being newly sober, and dealing with clown world, everyone has a breaking point. He may have hit his and lost all faith (i've been close to this a couple times myself) and being sober accelerated/amplified these feelings.

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TangerineShine [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

I have 9 years 9 months 21 days. I struggle to recount the beginning of sobriety. I was withdrawing from methadone, of which the effects were LONG LASTING.

How long did you feel miserable for?

Keep it up pede. One day at a time.

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identiynill 2 points ago +2 / -0

I was coming off of benzos also, so the physical part was absolute shit for probably two months. Was a reading asshole for probably another two years, and still working on it.

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TangerineShine [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Benzo withdrawal will kill you. I never liked them, or alcohol. I thank God for this, often!

Good for you. I’m really happy to hear about your clean time pede!!!!

You’re hardcore if you survived the withdrawals and even more remarkable that you’re clean. Today I pray for you fren.

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dirtypaperplate 1 point ago +1 / -0

If you have anger or easily irritated or have a low tolerance for stress, please consider a nutritional deficiency - https://www.amymyersmd.com/article/nutrient-deficiencies-mood/

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NanaQ45 1 point ago +1 / -0

Agreed, and if he is not getting help, he's on a dry drunk. Took 5 years for my head to clear and common sense finally take over. Without help, he will drink again and then it starts all over. Can't help someone who doesn't want help tho. Maybe Mom should kick him out and create desperation for motivation. Tough love is the only kind that works here.

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NeverStopBelieving 5 points ago +5 / -0

Sounds like you are correct .. does your brother know the Lord ? Spiritual warfare at its best ,, what is your brothers first name. I will pray ! Satan is a liar and a deceiver. Is your mother saved ? She needs to remind the enemy that "her and her family" , her children belong to the Lord! Command the spirit of suicide to be bound! This could be spiritual but don't overlook clinical ,, personality changes to this degree are dangerous , is he jabbed ? Does he take other meds? Any kind of meds for depression ? Hopefully not ! Let me know, I will go to battle in the spirit for him ! Keep an eye on him and don't ignore suicide signs !

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TangerineShine [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Tim

He was raised Catholic. He decided himself to not be confirmed. He is very, very anti establishment. My mother is an INCREDIBLY DEVOUT Catholic, I’m so incredibly proud to call her my mom. Still works to set a great example for her two “thirty something” boys. She attends church each day, prays the rosary daily, sometimes multiple times. She recently informed me she devotes almost every mass to my brother.

He is anti jab.

I’m sorry to say but the suicide is not within my control. It is something I fear most but no one can have him under watch 24/7. No psychotropic drugs or anything else for that matter. If suicide is the end of my brothers life I will be absolutely devastated but the family has already established we have no fool proof method to keep him from killing himself. He once threatened suicide to a mutual friend months ago. I was able to essentially corner him and give an ultimatum. We were able to get him out of his house and he spent some time at my parents. He later acknowledged that he had no intention of suicide but instead only meant to hurt and scare our friend.

The scenario forced my parents and I to have a real discussion. Unless we hold him captive against his will, suicide will always be possible.

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NeverStopBelieving 2 points ago +2 / -0

So proud of you and your healthy state of mind , No you are not responsible and therefore guilt will never come into play if that were to happen. No one can be responsible for another persons actions , we can do the best we can to keep them safe but we can not stop people from harming themselves ,, children we can guard. Adults are nearly impossible and it's not your responsibility , however it won't happen because we together will bind the spirit of death , suicide , over your brother. No jab, no psychotropic drugs, therefore I would conclude that it's spiritual ! He did quit drinking which can put people in a state of depression feeling almost as if they are living as a different person , but your description sounds much more severe than a dry drunk trying to navigate in a world almost unknown to him now that he's sober, have you been able to get any explanation from him as to why he's so unhappy ? Is he angry ? Please keep me posted , God Bless your mom it has to be so hard on her , I'm praying for her you and Tim

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TangerineShine [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

He blames his unhappiness on everything outside of his control. He shows zero drive. He embraces the idea of anarchy. He is very angry. He usually appears emotionless but the anger is hiding at the end of an incredibly short fuse, just beneath the surface.

I hope to take something away from everyone’s input but I’d like to share your comments with my mother. We had a long discussion, earlier today regarding hell on earth, demonic possession.

My mother and I crusade against porn. I believe a number of young men have been possessed by the demons hiding in porn. I believe pornography and video games are the most dangerous forms of media. I believe both have augmented the reality of many young men. Many whom consume this media are very resistant to any conversation demonizing either porn or games.

Movies and television were never sufficient means for capturing the male spirit. Video games and porn were the perfect solution. My brother consumes both.

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NeverStopBelieving 1 point ago +1 / -0

You are correct! My heart is with you and your mom! It's a battle for his soul and the devil can not win ! You mentioned at the end of your first post ..that Jesus is King! I'm assuming that you know the Lord ! Do you have any believers praying for you and your family ? There is a stronghold that needs to be broken and it gets worse as he entertains the lifestyle that you revealed !

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Supertots 4 points ago +4 / -0

Sounds much like my boyfriend..he switched after biden got into office and it’s spiraling but I’m trying to stay hopeful. Working out is helping but I think vitamins are needed.

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holland404 2 points ago +2 / -0

I feel ya! Sounds like my younger brother. I now refuse to go to any event that he is going to be at, and I will immediately leave if he shows up. I will not be treated badly and I can not watch as he treats everyone else this way. He used to be great, so much fun. One day he changed, like a switch was flipped. He sucks the joy out of every moment, at any and all events where the family gets together. If anyone is having a good time he seeks them out and trash talks them, bring up dumb stuff that may have happened WAY back in the 80s-90s. He tries to get people to argue or fight with him and when they don't fight with him he will go reignite fights between family members who have worked things out long ago.

Totally toxic. My Mom says it is the drinking, but she is wrong. Maybe the drinking triggered the change, but he is a mean spirit even when not drinking. Drinking alone and listening to Eminem constantly is what did it I bet. Horrible music and messages. I was thinking it may be similar to demonic possession,... something called "oppression" which is when a mean spirit (not demon) is able to get in and override a persons spirit. It happens often to drinkers who are in such a low, low place in their heart and they drink the "spirits" until they black out. In this vulnerable state another spirit could enter, and would have access to a persons memories and feelings. Over time that bad spirit takes more and more control

I have tried to help him, but he does not want help, he is in love with himself and his new joy sucking spirit. He became very vindictive because I was trying to help him and also attacked me physically. Sucker punched me out of the blue for something I supposedly said to him 20 years ago, left a mighty scar. So, I am just done with him. I miss my real brother, I have accepted that he probably gone for good. :(

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TangerineShine [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

I’m starting to feel this acceptance you speak of and I think it’s why this feels more real now than anytime in the past.

I’m really sorry to hear this is something your family has endured. It’s been incredibly hard on my parents and I.

It’s crazy he doesn’t even want to have a vehicle or a job anymore. His tiny house was just recently paid off so I guess he plans to just sit inside and rot away.

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Donny_Fiasco 2 points ago +2 / -0

His spirit is broken.

This is the type of man that needs purpose and needs to believe that anything he previously thought was real and true still can be , no matter the cost.

Try getting him into a movement of some sort. Even something on the local level. You get involved first, and confide in him you need his help to get this thing going.

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Taffy333 2 points ago +2 / -0

I have a sister who always tended to be lazy, but she's extremely intelligent, very witty and very charming. She's always been interested in the theater and acting, and was in a number of local college productions. She was always willing to help her sisters and her sense of humor could make anything fun. She got married at 18, divorced 12 years later (he left her), went to college, got married again, worked a couple years and then got a law degree. When her second husband left her, something in her broke. She became a perpetual victim. She'd make plans with different family members, then just not show up. She's critical of everyone. She turned her acting penchant into that of drama queen, creating unnecessary drama and conflict on a perpetual basis. She never actually did anything with her law degree and for 10 years mostly lived with other people, mooching off them. She manages this because she's charming and a master manipulator. She racked up a whole wad of debts, mostly with friends and family, and she's never paid back any of it. She's also never paid off her college/law school loans and I have no idea how she managed that. She alienated me and both my other sisters as a result of mooching off each of us. She's now married for a third time, so I guess she's manipulating and mooching off her husband. Fortunately, he's well off, but she may spend him dry if he isn't careful.

I only tell you all this so you understand I've been through a similar situation. I doubt your brother is demonically possessed. It's possible, as with my sister, something in his life was so traumatic for him that it broke him. My sister unwittingly revealed her innermost fear to me one day. She's always wanted to be perceived as loving, even as she does things that certainly are not. What she revealed is this: "If I'm not love, then I'm nothing." How sad is that? I imagine she's felt like that all her life and something about her second husband leaving her opened the floodgates of everything related to that, and the upshot of that was she behaves like an entirely different person than she was in her 20s. I can't say that she makes everyone around her miserable, but she surely has alienated a bunch of people.

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ObviousStatementMan 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm no psychologist... but, based on his level of intellect? And how AWAKE he seems to be... yet he is stuck in this kind of, deepening funk?

It sounds like he is understanding of everything that is wrong with the world. And everything that needs to be corrected to make this world a better place.

But simultaneously, with the trajectory of everything since 2019/2020, without a firm belief that there is still a way out? That is depressing as fuck.

If you think everything that's happened to-date occurred organically? And that no Patriots were in control at all? You would damn near think we're 2 weeks away from Armageddon every day you wake up.

It sounds like you can talk to him. Break through that hopelessness that is making him "hollow". Shine a small light on how the perception is shifting in the masses, MSM is dying, censorship is rampant, but we're still winning, early polls show a massive retreat from the Left > Right (even if the elections are rigged again, they will cheat that much harder) , Truth Social ... etc

Perhaps unplugging and getting into nature?

If you don't think this assessment is on point - please disregard!

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TangerineShine [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

THE NATURE THING!!!!

I think you’re right. He was attending school virtually to be an HVAC tech in the beginning of the pandemic. He was fairly isolated. I don’t think he intended to isolate himself but he started to show incredible frustration towards the mask BS. Between Covid nonsense and a stolen election. He turned into a huge pessimist after the election. I was probably even lower than he was though. I was teetering on manic for three months following the election.

It was only after I started watching Infowars I was able to see beyond the fog. I realized the answer wasn’t violence. I realized we need to be the change we want to see in the world. As soon as I started listening to Alex, my brother seemed to drop his interest in politics entirely. When we discussed politics he spoke only of war and hopelessness. I tried so incredibly hard to talk him out of this mindset.

I constantly speak optimistically regarding our footing in this asymmetrical war. Last weekend my family and I were joking about how excited and cheery I’ve been in the face of nuclear war. I don’t want nukes but I don’t fear. I have God. Im excited to see what the future holds.

I really feel like nature would help but last year we went on a two day, tent camping trip and he bailed after the first day. He is the biggest wimp I know. He doesn’t like being dirty, he can’t stand being uncomfortable. It’s crazy to think he used to love nature. He used to get dirty and shoot snakes and eat wild shit.

Maybe he put himself in “hot war” mode which never arrived since this entire past few decades has been asymmetrical warfare waged by global elites. Maybe he lost his mind while he was waiting for shots to pop off.

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ObviousStatementMan 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well, then, there you go!

I've got some buddies who were gung-ho MAGA Patriots to the core... and got rocked so hard by COVID Scamdemic, Jan 6th False Flag, and Election Fraud, that they could never get past it. Basically, the notion that this is still part of "The Plan" or that Trump is still coming back pre/post 2024, is impossible for them to see.

The more intricate this situation gets, the longer it is seemingly hopeless. Though I personally don't have any doubts - I can certainly understand why people would.

I don't know how to fix it... I wish I did.

I've even seen it happen to people who were pretty deep into Q.

Q or no Q, the hopelessness needs to end. It's getting pretty dangerous from a mental stability standpoint.

We need a hammer to drop, soon.

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MajorAppleHead 1 point ago +1 / -0

Body snatcher type shit. Post jab

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TangerineShine [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

He’s anti jab

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ThisIsHowItStarts 1 point ago +1 / -0

There’s only one thing I can recommend for your brother and that’s Jesus Christ. He is the great physician, and he is the great healer. Until he excepts Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior, and gets involved in reading the word and being around of other believers, he may continue in this depression spiral.

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Qtoad 1 point ago +1 / -0

Do u kno why he suddenly changed?

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dirtypaperplate 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah this screams "get medical attention!"

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Qtoad 1 point ago +1 / -0

I read that he changed, but it looks like they haven't asked him what happened or he didn't tell them what happened.

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dirtypaperplate 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah seems like that would be my first question! "What happened? Do you feel different because you seem different? Are you okay? Is someone blackmailing you? Did someone hurt you? Whose ass do I need to kick? What have you been eating? Are you getting out in the sun? Something is wrong, I love you, please talk to me."

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brain_dead 2 points ago +2 / -0

That would be my first also.

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Qtoad 1 point ago +1 / -0

If it's a mental problem, he needs a mental solution.

I wouldn't recommend medication or anything like that.

He's gotta figure it out on his own.

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dirtypaperplate 1 point ago +1 / -0

Mental problems need nutritional solutions.

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Qtoad 1 point ago +1 / -0

Individual problems need individual solutions.

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dirtypaperplate 1 point ago +1 / -0

Like?

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Qtoad 1 point ago +1 / -0

Totally.

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dirtypaperplate 2 points ago +2 / -0

What kind of problem? Come on. Name one. It'll be fun.

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Qtoad 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don’t know, I’m scared.

It’s my first time~

˚✧₊⁎❝᷀ົཽ≀ˍ̮ ❝᷀ົཽ⁎⁺˳✧༚

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dirtypaperplate 1 point ago +1 / -0

Anxiety?

Mental health problems such as memory loss, anxiety, depression, irritability, and insomnia are also associated with deficiencies in vitamin B1. The brain uses this vitamin to help convert glucose or blood sugar into energy. This means that without it, the brain may not have enough energy to function normally.

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Mr_A 1 point ago +1 / -0

Exercise is a good thing, directly leading to improved mood. Movement is life. If going out and shooting snakes is off the table, maybe judo or even yoga is on. An MMA gym/course might be an outlet for aggression and a path to improvement. The nutrition stuff is worth paying attention to as well.

I had a similar situation with a family member a year back. He was clearly depressed and angry and had begun punching trees and posts to hurt himself, and talking about suicide. I signed him up for all sorts of random junk and appointments just to give him stuff to do. Of all things, a reiki healer seemed to help him turn the corner. But maybe it was vitamins, because he got some of those prescribed too. Or maybe it was prayer, because there was plenty for him. Maybe it was everything all together, or he just needed to know he was cared for. I'll pray for your brother's recovery.

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DJT4MoreYears 1 point ago +1 / -0

2 words. Shock Therapy j/k Are you sure he didn't recently join a cult or anything? Just sayin'

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jackrotten 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sounds like he's just tired of the world

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TangerineShine [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

This sounds like something he would say. I hope this isn’t your struggle as well fren.

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jackrotten 2 points ago +2 / -0

I've been there but I can still swap to "life of the party" mode.

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TangerineShine [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

He can’t. He’s just foul all the time. He is truly THE funniest person I have ever known and I really can’t remember the last time he made me laugh.

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