Good post, XGeminaV, and the sort of information important not only to the pedes on this site but to especially to our "vax"-injured family and friends, who REALLY need to take care of their cardiovascular and immune systems.
Dr. Mark Hayman makes the same point about dietary fats that you do in What The Heck Should I Eat. This book helped persuade me to avoid nearly all seed oils (usually called vegetable oils or cooking oils), ESPECIALLY Soybean and Canola oil.
Start reading labels, and you'll find that these cheap oils are in almost everything. I find popular Organic salad dressings and mayo substitutes with canola and other horrid oils as the first or second ingredient.
Dr. Hayman's list of oils to eat and oils to avoid (from pp. 169 - 170):
Good oils
Organic avocado oil
Butter from pastured, grass-fed cows or goats
Grass-fed ghee (clarified butter)
Organic virgin coconut oil
Organic, humanely raised tallow (beef fat)
Organic, humanely raised lard (pork fat)
Organic, humanely raised duck fat
Organic, humanely raised chicken fat
Use the next group raw, on salads or other foods, but don't cook them:
Organic extra virgin olive oil
Walnut oil
Almond oil
Macadamia oil
Sesame seed oil
Tahini (sesame seed paste)
Flax oil
Hemp oil
Avoid the following:
Soybean oil
Canola oil
Corn oil
Safflower oil
Sunflower oil
Palm oil
Peanut oil
Vegetable oil
Vegetable shortening
Margarine and all other butter substitutes, including the newest ones, which actually include butter among the ingredients
Anything that says "hydrogenates"; it's poison
Anything else that looks fake.
Note: many good oils are adulterated with cheaper oils; I've read (I forget where) that Italian crime groups make drug-lord-level money from selling "Organic, extra virgin olive oil" cut with other, cheaper oils.
We've been buying California Estate Extra Virgin Olive Oil from Life Extension for some time, mostly because I've been shopping with LEF for decades and trust the ingredients in what they sell. No, not the cheapest olive oil you can find.
Lard is sold in most major grocery stores around my parts. Just have to look closely for it because it's usually on the bottom shelf. Below all the plant based shit, which is usually at eye level.
Oh gotcha... I get mine from a farmers market because I know the people and know the farm they source from. I also use pork drippings and freeze the pork grease if I’m in a pinch. Just separate out the solids and fridge or freeze
It's all a matter of perspective. If you're a cow, duck, or pig you probably don't think those things are superior. I don't like bowing to authority, which includes if I am the authority. Exercising lethal power over others because you are stronger than them, is wrong.
Good point, 007wannabee. Not an easy transition for most people (who have been eating meat since childhood) to make; I've never fully made it, and I see that as a flaw and a weakness in myself. We're literally made (teeth, digestive system, etc) for an omnivorous diet but it requires partially setting aside empathy and compassion.
Interesting factoid: Leonardo Da Vinci, who lived in a time when "being vegetarian" was unheard-of, was a vegetarian for the same reasons you describe; empathy, basically. I learned this in the late Leonard Shlain's book on Da Vinci, and recommend his other books as well, if the topics appeal.
The seed and vegetable oils are terrible for you, if only because of the extensive processing involved. There's also the omega 3-6-9 ratios that are bad, but I would only butcher that part.
Even with the good oils we have to be careful, because some brands have been caught cutting with cheap oils.
Sorry, I didn't catch the reference. Was hoping this topic would catch a bit better than it did, and, while I'm only new to the subject, after seeing a 'how it's made' for seed oils, I was so disgusted that it was a near-instant starting to weed them out of the diet. (A challenge because they put those oils in just about everything, sometimes even when there is no apparent need or reason)
My friends and I play a game where whenever we see seed oil we throw it out and record ourselves doing it and send it to the group. We have some pretty funny videos of friends jumping bars at restaurants to do it and Airbnb with seed oil 🤣
Besides duck grease, these animal fats usually cheaper than butter aren’t they?
Besides cost, in what ways would they be superior to butter? Taste?
I am old enough to remember when McDonald’s french fries were fried in beef tallow oil. Those Beef tallow fries definitely tasted better then the fries they make today.
I love cooking with animal fat. I save all my bacon fat. And I eat average like 6 eggs a day right from my chickens' buttholes.
Like open mouth waiting for them to roll in?
That's how you know they're fresh
McDonald's fries have always been the best, but when they were fried in beef tallow in the 70s & 80s?
chef's kiss
Good post, XGeminaV, and the sort of information important not only to the pedes on this site but to especially to our "vax"-injured family and friends, who REALLY need to take care of their cardiovascular and immune systems.
Dr. Mark Hayman makes the same point about dietary fats that you do in What The Heck Should I Eat. This book helped persuade me to avoid nearly all seed oils (usually called vegetable oils or cooking oils), ESPECIALLY Soybean and Canola oil.
Start reading labels, and you'll find that these cheap oils are in almost everything. I find popular Organic salad dressings and mayo substitutes with canola and other horrid oils as the first or second ingredient.
Dr. Hayman's list of oils to eat and oils to avoid (from pp. 169 - 170):
Good oils
Use the next group raw, on salads or other foods, but don't cook them:
Avoid the following:
Note: many good oils are adulterated with cheaper oils; I've read (I forget where) that Italian crime groups make drug-lord-level money from selling "Organic, extra virgin olive oil" cut with other, cheaper oils.
We've been buying California Estate Extra Virgin Olive Oil from Life Extension for some time, mostly because I've been shopping with LEF for decades and trust the ingredients in what they sell. No, not the cheapest olive oil you can find.
Ya’ll don't use that? Try some Ghee also.
Where do you even buy it? Only place I can find is Amazon.
Walmart,Albertsons jack n jill
Ghee should be in most stores
Oh, I meant the tallow / lard. I found the Ghee in stores.
Lard is sold in most major grocery stores around my parts. Just have to look closely for it because it's usually on the bottom shelf. Below all the plant based shit, which is usually at eye level.
Check the Mexican section. A lot of Hispanic cuisine uses it.
Oh gotcha... I get mine from a farmers market because I know the people and know the farm they source from. I also use pork drippings and freeze the pork grease if I’m in a pinch. Just separate out the solids and fridge or freeze
Way ahead of u since I realized their drive to make every food out of processed corn.
I love butter, tallow, bacon fat.
It's all a matter of perspective. If you're a cow, duck, or pig you probably don't think those things are superior. I don't like bowing to authority, which includes if I am the authority. Exercising lethal power over others because you are stronger than them, is wrong.
Good point, 007wannabee. Not an easy transition for most people (who have been eating meat since childhood) to make; I've never fully made it, and I see that as a flaw and a weakness in myself. We're literally made (teeth, digestive system, etc) for an omnivorous diet but it requires partially setting aside empathy and compassion.
Interesting factoid: Leonardo Da Vinci, who lived in a time when "being vegetarian" was unheard-of, was a vegetarian for the same reasons you describe; empathy, basically. I learned this in the late Leonard Shlain's book on Da Vinci, and recommend his other books as well, if the topics appeal.
God says we are superior. Animals are not made in the image of God.
Eat what you want but take that energy and point it towards child sacrifice (abortion)
God doesn't curse a nation that sheds the blood of animals. Children on the other hand.... well He's quite clear on that.
Your teeth disagree..
The best types of oils to use are:
beef tallow
duck fat
olive oil
coconut oil
butter/ghee
avocado
The seed and vegetable oils are terrible for you, if only because of the extensive processing involved. There's also the omega 3-6-9 ratios that are bad, but I would only butcher that part.
Even with the good oils we have to be careful, because some brands have been caught cutting with cheap oils.
The damn you’re fine ratios
No, like your body works best with x% of omega-3, y% of omega-6, z% of omega-9.
Seed oils are really just a country hair away from engine lubricant.
Oh I know... I was quoting a song... you know... 3-6-9 damn you’re fine.... 🙃
Sorry, I didn't catch the reference. Was hoping this topic would catch a bit better than it did, and, while I'm only new to the subject, after seeing a 'how it's made' for seed oils, I was so disgusted that it was a near-instant starting to weed them out of the diet. (A challenge because they put those oils in just about everything, sometimes even when there is no apparent need or reason)
My friends and I play a game where whenever we see seed oil we throw it out and record ourselves doing it and send it to the group. We have some pretty funny videos of friends jumping bars at restaurants to do it and Airbnb with seed oil 🤣
Man, love that duck fat! Can’t be beat!
I’m not sure where you source Duck grease, China?
Besides duck grease, these animal fats usually cheaper than butter aren’t they?
Besides cost, in what ways would they be superior to butter? Taste?
I am old enough to remember when McDonald’s french fries were fried in beef tallow oil. Those Beef tallow fries definitely tasted better then the fries they make today.