There is one point to that comment. Because it is something that is easily googled the way to answer it is with math, comparing the numbers of existing windmills and bird deaths to how many windows and bird deaths caused by them there are. Also, what kind of birds are more likely to die by windmills compared to what kind of birds are killed by windows. If you just call the commenter stupid that makes it easy for that commenter, and everybody who agrees with the comment, to just dismiss what you are saying without thinking about it. If you dig out the verifiable numbers, less easy to do that.
And when you are talking about normies you usually never can change their minds just by one comment, least of all by just calling them stupid which usually only hardens their resistance (and that is just the normal human trait). The only way to change a mind is usually by the method you could compare to the idea of the Chinese water torture: drip, drip, drip, drip... they may not think about what you are advocating after one time, nor after two or three or a few years either, but if it seems you can give them facts that may lodge in their subconscious and then there very well may be a preference cascade after some future point.
At which time they will probably think they figured it out all by themselves, but who cares as long as they will change their mind.
We do want to change minds, right? Not just piss off people who don't think like we do?
Well I'm glad to see someone is interested in the spirit of discussion.
My comment was about the disruption of the food chain. 33k bird deaths do not come close to having the effect described. If the number of windmills were scaled up (not to match the number of windows, that would be silly), I still don't see it coming close to having a disruptive effect.
You are right that it's not a simple 1:1 comparison, as the types of birds, locations, concentrations, etc will vary, but the staggering difference in numbers really does make one consider whether the number is even worth considering. All that to say, I haven't been convinced of windmills bringing about doomsday.
It's such a joke. These wind farms just don't last either and need to constantly have their blades replaced every 7 years. It's funny how China built a few wind farms and suddenly people start believing it's viable. Uh no. China spent next to nothing on it to fool you while they build 10x more coal and nuclear plants
Yes. That's correct. Not only that, it takes so much to build them and if the wind don't blow, you got a piece of useless expensive equipment marring the landscape.
Because America is beholden to whoever is giving Congress a paycheck, and the people lobbying are rarely ever the best option in their related field of business
Like when Jill Stein tried to say that if we had more nuclear reactors we would all explode into a million pieces if we were ever bombed
This is quite common. That's why it's hard to get new wind farms built. The mirror thermal solar plants near Primm, NV roast 100s of birds. Plus they dislocate the endangered desert tortoise.
You are not familiar with 'Trump Speak'. Let me translate this statement decode for you.
Trump says; 'kills all the birds'. In this statement he is letting us know the windmill enthusiasts and pushers of this type of energy are the 'birds'.
Trump is implying that this type of wind power energy is failing and useless. As we can see the energy company has had to pay out big bucks for their stupid windmill power agendas.
This type of energy is just another nonsensical agenda as a means to launder money from US tax payers. Legislation through lobbyists push, hiring contract cronies companies, skim off the top, etc and so on.
Trump is letting everyone know they've been caught and their windmill for energy agenda jig is at an end and 'All The Birds are Killed', now.
Vice President Biden Announces Finalized $535 Million Loan Guarantee for Solyndra
This announcement today is part of the unprecedented investment this Administration is making in renewable energy and exactly what the Recovery Act is all about. By investing in the infrastructure and technology of the future, we are not only creating jobs today, but laying the foundation for long-term growth in the 21st-century economy.
The blades are actually moving fast as fuck (at outer edges), they are just massive. The birds can't judge the rotation and sometimes get clipped by a turbine as they fly through
Dumb bel Edwards in Louisiana was talking about windmills. Come on, LA is an oil state as is Texas - never could undertsand except $$$ and corruption led to TX windmills, I guess. Dumb bel is a DIMocrat though, so....
We had a weekend place on a lake in the LA swamps. Each morning, I'd grab my coffee and watch a pair of Bald eagles that nested across the little canal from us. Really are majestic birds. Also had pelicans that would land on the railing of our deck.
The magnetic fields surrounding any kind of massive rotating motors like those are a huge biological issue for any life including humans as well. I'd steer well away from them for living quarters.
Windmills kill the birds. No birds to eat bugs. Bugs overpopulate. Bugs destroy crops.
"Green energy" isn't as innocent as people think. Windmills disrupt the balance of nature.
Also, remember when Texas had that huge snow storm and the windmills froze and they had to use jet fuel to unfreeze them. Lol.
It was a fun thought experiment, but windmills kill 33,000 birds per year. Windows? 97 to 976 million.
https://www.sibleyguides.com/conservation/causes-of-bird-mortality/
There is one point to that comment. Because it is something that is easily googled the way to answer it is with math, comparing the numbers of existing windmills and bird deaths to how many windows and bird deaths caused by them there are. Also, what kind of birds are more likely to die by windmills compared to what kind of birds are killed by windows. If you just call the commenter stupid that makes it easy for that commenter, and everybody who agrees with the comment, to just dismiss what you are saying without thinking about it. If you dig out the verifiable numbers, less easy to do that.
And when you are talking about normies you usually never can change their minds just by one comment, least of all by just calling them stupid which usually only hardens their resistance (and that is just the normal human trait). The only way to change a mind is usually by the method you could compare to the idea of the Chinese water torture: drip, drip, drip, drip... they may not think about what you are advocating after one time, nor after two or three or a few years either, but if it seems you can give them facts that may lodge in their subconscious and then there very well may be a preference cascade after some future point.
At which time they will probably think they figured it out all by themselves, but who cares as long as they will change their mind.
We do want to change minds, right? Not just piss off people who don't think like we do?
Well I'm glad to see someone is interested in the spirit of discussion.
My comment was about the disruption of the food chain. 33k bird deaths do not come close to having the effect described. If the number of windmills were scaled up (not to match the number of windows, that would be silly), I still don't see it coming close to having a disruptive effect.
You are right that it's not a simple 1:1 comparison, as the types of birds, locations, concentrations, etc will vary, but the staggering difference in numbers really does make one consider whether the number is even worth considering. All that to say, I haven't been convinced of windmills bringing about doomsday.
It's such a joke. These wind farms just don't last either and need to constantly have their blades replaced every 7 years. It's funny how China built a few wind farms and suddenly people start believing it's viable. Uh no. China spent next to nothing on it to fool you while they build 10x more coal and nuclear plants
250 coal fired plants be ok Ng built in china.while the world wants America to tow the line.
Yes. That's correct. Not only that, it takes so much to build them and if the wind don't blow, you got a piece of useless expensive equipment marring the landscape.
Because America is beholden to whoever is giving Congress a paycheck, and the people lobbying are rarely ever the best option in their related field of business
Like when Jill Stein tried to say that if we had more nuclear reactors we would all explode into a million pieces if we were ever bombed
Because NPCs have panic attacks when they hear the word 'radiation'.
This is quite common. That's why it's hard to get new wind farms built. The mirror thermal solar plants near Primm, NV roast 100s of birds. Plus they dislocate the endangered desert tortoise.
Oh no. This is a disgrace.
Sun energy is the way to go.
No, I don't mean solar.
Fusion power for the win.
Useless eyesores, time they were done away with.
There were four of these on my farm when I bought it, I hooked them up and they power my property 90% of the time.
You are not familiar with 'Trump Speak'. Let me translate this statement decode for you.
Trump says; 'kills all the birds'. In this statement he is letting us know the windmill enthusiasts and pushers of this type of energy are the 'birds'.
Trump is implying that this type of wind power energy is failing and useless. As we can see the energy company has had to pay out big bucks for their stupid windmill power agendas.
This type of energy is just another nonsensical agenda as a means to launder money from US tax payers. Legislation through lobbyists push, hiring contract cronies companies, skim off the top, etc and so on.
Trump is letting everyone know they've been caught and their windmill for energy agenda jig is at an end and 'All The Birds are Killed', now.
Trump exposed their phony energy agenda.
Now do you get it?
Remember the big solar company that went bust after a 500 million government grant. Out of wash or Oregon?
Vice President Biden Announces Finalized $535 Million Loan Guarantee for Solyndra
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/vice-president-biden-announces-finalized-535-million-loan-guarantee-solyndra
This was back when Biden could still speak in complete sentences and without a teleprompter.
I had forgotten there was a time he could do that. No doubt during the time period he set up all his percentage for the big guy deals.
And very nice pulling up the details with sauce. The Pepe crowd thanks you.
Right! Where did the money go? These corrupt state officials and politicians are like; 'Cha-Ching...Tax Payer dollars!'
Solyndra
Oh ok. You know now that you are talking about this I was thinking I wish all windmills go away. In other words God works in a mysterious ways. 😉
bUt cAtS KiLl jUsT aS mAnY. Yeah, ever see a cat kill an eagle? no.
I'm guessing the birds can't navigate those huge slow blades?
The blades spin at 200 mph, they’re just so long that it is seen as slow.
The blades are actually moving fast as fuck (at outer edges), they are just massive. The birds can't judge the rotation and sometimes get clipped by a turbine as they fly through
And the magnets!
Need to find this Natasha Geiling and blast her social media with this. Mockery infuriates these fucks.
Normies have about a 2 minute attention span.
Normy sees a windmill; ( ☁️…Cool looking & modern…) …changes radio station. Huh? Oh yeah…cool windmill. 🤬
$53,333 per bird. Whew!
Dumb bel Edwards in Louisiana was talking about windmills. Come on, LA is an oil state as is Texas - never could undertsand except $$$ and corruption led to TX windmills, I guess. Dumb bel is a DIMocrat though, so....
We had a weekend place on a lake in the LA swamps. Each morning, I'd grab my coffee and watch a pair of Bald eagles that nested across the little canal from us. Really are majestic birds. Also had pelicans that would land on the railing of our deck.
Has anyone compiled a map of the US with locations of Windmill farms and Bird migration Flyways?
The magnetic fields surrounding any kind of massive rotating motors like those are a huge biological issue for any life including humans as well. I'd steer well away from them for living quarters.