I don't really understand how people think that the technology we DO have will just poof out of existence when this is all over. It's not like computers, cell phones, the internet, etc. are just going to magically stop existing because the cabal has been defeated. While I DO agree that we'll probably take a step back 50-70 years, it will be in terms of social morality and things like that. What's acceptable, looked up to, deemed appropriate, etc. So no more rappers rhyming about "da hoes and da coke on de streets" and more modern Johnny Cash types for example.
But you're not entirely out of the ball park. We WILL probably see a massive slowdown in terms of technological advancement because of changes in financial systems and public desire/morality. Instead of new everything, every single year. You might have a significant advancement every 5-10 years that warrants upgrading your current tech.
I don't think a lot of people realize how absurd the technological advancements have been since the turn of the 21st century. We have made MASSIVE leaps, year over year that have changed society as we know it, pretty much every year since 2000. Stuff that would previously have come about every 5-10+ years for the last several hundred years has instead been taking literal months. We've basically had what amounts to 100-150 years of technological advancement in 22 years since 2000.
Which, as you pointed out with the bank slavery, isn't sustainable in the long run. Likewise, I don't really think there's going to stop being people who want to better themselves and "get rich". People ALWAYS want a better life for themselves. Not everyone is going to be a multi billionaire in life, but it's entirely feasible for most people to be "well off" and successful in the 1-20 Million net worth range if they have the work ethic, knowledge, drive, and desire to build their own business.
Seriously, a lot of people don't realize that. If you own a small business, it's essentially guaranteed that if you're remotely successful and don't run it into the ground, you WILL be a millionaire. It's just that the majority of people don't have that drive/desire or get crushed when they fail a few times and never try again.
You both make excellent points; I agree with you that it's not like technology is just going to go away.
I also agree that society will revert back to a status similar to about 50-60 years ago, and will likely be as much a necessity as seeing the harms from technology.
This could be a lengthy debate; for example cell phones, how could we say with any certainty that we would keep them around when they are effectively social control and tracking systems. Or if they will be kept but modified to be more open.
Technology is but a tool. Tools aren't harmful. The people using the tool can be harmful.
Cell phones aren't "social control and tracking systems", evil people use them as social control and tracking systems. That isn't all they do or all they're good for, nor is it inherently what they are.
It all depends on how a tool is used. If these tools are still being used in evil ways then we haven't done our jobs and rooted out and defeated all the evil. If and when we have done that these tools should stop being used maliciously and can be implemented in a good and useful manner to aid people.
I agree, but that they were built and designed with evil intent, would take a close examination to extricate that type of control systems.
In some cases it might be one where once the control systems are removed that what remains is no longer functional.
As an analogy, there are some video games that would do the copy protection requiring a connection to the server for verification. If you remove that server, then the whole game stops working because the verification system requires it to start. (Yes, it can be cracked to spoof, but the rest would lose that function).
I’d like to point out that a possible outcome is stepping back 10,000 years. I’m not saying it will but if shit goes south too hard then that where we’ll be. Think mirror 4-6% is a horrible outcome. It will be biblical makes me think of revelations and that book is violent with lots of pain and suffering for most of the population. Revelations 16.2
King James Bible
And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
New King James Version
So the first went and poured out his bowl upon the earth, and a foul and loathsome sore came upon the men who had the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.
New American Standard Bible
So the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth; and a harmful and painful sore afflicted the people who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped his image.
I’ve always thought of the movie the matrix. The architect tells neo that they’ve destroyed them 7 times before. Then look at some of the things that have been found from ancient times here that are hard to explain. I’d argue civilization is more fragile than ever with most peoples knowledge stored outside of their brain ie. Computers…… scary thought that a solar flare big enough could put us into the Stone Age. Things may have been reset before and we’d never know.
Interesting that they are reporting that "buying second-hand clothes" is now a big thing (been a thing with my family for decades :) ), to support "climate change" :) Perhaps the people behind the scenes are setting people up to accept that they won't be able to buy new stuff whenever they want, because the "new" economy won't support such things.
ikewise, I don't really think there's going to stop being people who want to better themselves and "get rich"
I do hope people constantly continue to try and better themselves - but not in getting rich, but rather becoming more spiritual.
The idea of "getting rich quick" is a relatively new phenomenon, and again, impossible to do in a society without dark money and corruption. The best you should strive for, as you pointed out well, start a small business and create revenue stream that can support your lifestyle with minimal time investment, while also supporting the life style of your employees. To me, that would be the pinnacle of financial utopia.
you WILL be a millionaire
Checkout the history of very first millionaires. It happened after the British war of 1812, when the bankers did what they do well and bankrupted the country and in the process became millionaires for the first time.
In a honest society it should be almost impossible for people to become 100x richer than average.
Getting rich quick IS stupid, no argument here. However I, and everyone else who's a capitalist, will fight you to the dying breath on the second paragraph. Screw that. If you work harder than 90% of the population your entire life, build something for yourself, and make smart decisions, YES you SHOULD be 100X more wealthy than the average person.
Literally any other result is socialism/communism, or debt slavery.
I don't see what's inherently impossible about getting rich quick in a society without dark money and corruption. Extremely unlikely? Sure. Something you can work towards/try to achieve/expect as an outcome? Certainly not. But impossible? I don't see why it would be. If you get lucky enough and are in the right place at the right time interacting with the right person/people you could certainly, at least in theory, end up with a fat pile of money on your lap or an extremely lucrative deal. No dark money or corruption needed. Just honest people who earned their fortune working or providing a product/service to people making a deal with someone who's really good at what they do despite only having just started out and who got extremely lucky with who they met.
Heh, my bad. May not have worded that well. I meant less rappers in general and more people LIKE Johnny Cash with actual talent. In other words, auto tuned drug/gang culture crap becoming infinitely less popular, thus being relegated to the past, and people with actual talent being pushed to the fore front.
I didn't mean rappers were just going to suddenly turn into amazing singers/guitarists with bottomless talent.
I don't really understand how people think that the technology we DO have will just poof out of existence when this is all over. It's not like computers, cell phones, the internet, etc. are just going to magically stop existing because the cabal has been defeated. While I DO agree that we'll probably take a step back 50-70 years, it will be in terms of social morality and things like that. What's acceptable, looked up to, deemed appropriate, etc. So no more rappers rhyming about "da hoes and da coke on de streets" and more modern Johnny Cash types for example.
But you're not entirely out of the ball park. We WILL probably see a massive slowdown in terms of technological advancement because of changes in financial systems and public desire/morality. Instead of new everything, every single year. You might have a significant advancement every 5-10 years that warrants upgrading your current tech.
I don't think a lot of people realize how absurd the technological advancements have been since the turn of the 21st century. We have made MASSIVE leaps, year over year that have changed society as we know it, pretty much every year since 2000. Stuff that would previously have come about every 5-10+ years for the last several hundred years has instead been taking literal months. We've basically had what amounts to 100-150 years of technological advancement in 22 years since 2000.
Which, as you pointed out with the bank slavery, isn't sustainable in the long run. Likewise, I don't really think there's going to stop being people who want to better themselves and "get rich". People ALWAYS want a better life for themselves. Not everyone is going to be a multi billionaire in life, but it's entirely feasible for most people to be "well off" and successful in the 1-20 Million net worth range if they have the work ethic, knowledge, drive, and desire to build their own business.
Seriously, a lot of people don't realize that. If you own a small business, it's essentially guaranteed that if you're remotely successful and don't run it into the ground, you WILL be a millionaire. It's just that the majority of people don't have that drive/desire or get crushed when they fail a few times and never try again.
You both make excellent points; I agree with you that it's not like technology is just going to go away.
I also agree that society will revert back to a status similar to about 50-60 years ago, and will likely be as much a necessity as seeing the harms from technology.
This could be a lengthy debate; for example cell phones, how could we say with any certainty that we would keep them around when they are effectively social control and tracking systems. Or if they will be kept but modified to be more open.
Technology is but a tool. Tools aren't harmful. The people using the tool can be harmful.
Cell phones aren't "social control and tracking systems", evil people use them as social control and tracking systems. That isn't all they do or all they're good for, nor is it inherently what they are.
It all depends on how a tool is used. If these tools are still being used in evil ways then we haven't done our jobs and rooted out and defeated all the evil. If and when we have done that these tools should stop being used maliciously and can be implemented in a good and useful manner to aid people.
I agree, but that they were built and designed with evil intent, would take a close examination to extricate that type of control systems.
In some cases it might be one where once the control systems are removed that what remains is no longer functional.
As an analogy, there are some video games that would do the copy protection requiring a connection to the server for verification. If you remove that server, then the whole game stops working because the verification system requires it to start. (Yes, it can be cracked to spoof, but the rest would lose that function).
I’d like to point out that a possible outcome is stepping back 10,000 years. I’m not saying it will but if shit goes south too hard then that where we’ll be. Think mirror 4-6% is a horrible outcome. It will be biblical makes me think of revelations and that book is violent with lots of pain and suffering for most of the population. Revelations 16.2 King James Bible And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
New King James Version So the first went and poured out his bowl upon the earth, and a foul and loathsome sore came upon the men who had the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.
New American Standard Bible So the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth; and a harmful and painful sore afflicted the people who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped his image.
In that sense, if destruction is that thorough, it wouldn't be a stretch for all advancement to simply be lost.
Really, with only a single generation losing access to knowledge and it is likely gone until it's rediscovered.
I’ve always thought of the movie the matrix. The architect tells neo that they’ve destroyed them 7 times before. Then look at some of the things that have been found from ancient times here that are hard to explain. I’d argue civilization is more fragile than ever with most peoples knowledge stored outside of their brain ie. Computers…… scary thought that a solar flare big enough could put us into the Stone Age. Things may have been reset before and we’d never know.
It only gets worse from here. We are here. ^
Interesting that they are reporting that "buying second-hand clothes" is now a big thing (been a thing with my family for decades :) ), to support "climate change" :) Perhaps the people behind the scenes are setting people up to accept that they won't be able to buy new stuff whenever they want, because the "new" economy won't support such things.
I do hope people constantly continue to try and better themselves - but not in getting rich, but rather becoming more spiritual.
The idea of "getting rich quick" is a relatively new phenomenon, and again, impossible to do in a society without dark money and corruption. The best you should strive for, as you pointed out well, start a small business and create revenue stream that can support your lifestyle with minimal time investment, while also supporting the life style of your employees. To me, that would be the pinnacle of financial utopia.
Checkout the history of very first millionaires. It happened after the British war of 1812, when the bankers did what they do well and bankrupted the country and in the process became millionaires for the first time.
In a honest society it should be almost impossible for people to become 100x richer than average.
Getting rich quick IS stupid, no argument here. However I, and everyone else who's a capitalist, will fight you to the dying breath on the second paragraph. Screw that. If you work harder than 90% of the population your entire life, build something for yourself, and make smart decisions, YES you SHOULD be 100X more wealthy than the average person.
Literally any other result is socialism/communism, or debt slavery.
I don't see what's inherently impossible about getting rich quick in a society without dark money and corruption. Extremely unlikely? Sure. Something you can work towards/try to achieve/expect as an outcome? Certainly not. But impossible? I don't see why it would be. If you get lucky enough and are in the right place at the right time interacting with the right person/people you could certainly, at least in theory, end up with a fat pile of money on your lap or an extremely lucrative deal. No dark money or corruption needed. Just honest people who earned their fortune working or providing a product/service to people making a deal with someone who's really good at what they do despite only having just started out and who got extremely lucky with who they met.
That's a laugh. Rappers aren't going to turn into Johnny Cash, they're just going to keep moving forward and talk about something different.
Heh, my bad. May not have worded that well. I meant less rappers in general and more people LIKE Johnny Cash with actual talent. In other words, auto tuned drug/gang culture crap becoming infinitely less popular, thus being relegated to the past, and people with actual talent being pushed to the fore front.
I didn't mean rappers were just going to suddenly turn into amazing singers/guitarists with bottomless talent.
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